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Researchers identify bacterial mechanism for vitamin B12 uptake.

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phys.org/news/2023-11-bacte...

This work was done by a physicist. The scientist who work for the pharmaceutical companies will likely be aware of it and incorporate it into their work. . Like it or not scientists who work for the pharmaceutical are Premier League.

It may take a while if ever that action is taken utilizing this discovery leading to better B12 treatment and testing. Or it might not be important in this regards. Only time will tell.

If this were my field I would know who to send the information to.

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Technoid

interesting, thanks Wizard

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WIZARD6787 in reply to Technoid

I was kind of hoping you read it and say oh that makes sense. Now you only need to take this type of probiotic and that will take care of it all.😀

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PaintLadie in reply to WIZARD6787

It looks very incomplete, but the probiotic or bacteria they are referring to is Bacteroides in the intestines which they are saying uptakes b12. It comes up on a search on Amazon. Interesting thank you for sharing.

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WIZARD6787 in reply to PaintLadie

You may be able to find the actual study.

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Technoid in reply to WIZARD6787

full study is linked (looks like its open access). I have not yet reviewed it fully.

nature.com/articles/s41467-...

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Technoid in reply to Technoid

OK. Had a quick browse of this very dense paper. It's investigating how a particular genus of gut bacteria called "Bacteroides" manage to get the B12 that they need to survive. They cannot synthesize B12 themselves (only some micororganisms can) and so need to scavenge it somehow.

The image at the end of the paper and shown at the phys.org site shows the nitty gritty details of how B12 uptake by this bacteria works.

This has no direct relevance to the Haptocorrin/IF-mediated absorption of B12 in which B12 is normally absorbed from the diet. Completely separate pathway.

There is this interesting section though:

"Interestingly, BtuG2 is a surface-exposed OM lipoprotein with an extremely high affinity for B12 (sub-pM) and is able to remove the vitamin from human intrinsic factor (IF), which binds B12 in the small intestine prior to absorption"

The psy.org article contains this paragraph:

"Kleinekathöfer and his team's breakthrough finding, what they call "pedal-bin mechanisms," offers critical understanding for how bacteria in the intestine known as bacteroides can absorb vitamin B12. This is important for human health since B12 cannot be produced or absorbed by humans themselves. "

This is incorrect as humans CAN absorb B12 via our 2 transport proteins (haptocorrin + intrinsic factor). Nothing about the mechanism investigated here is relevant to the haptocorrin/IF-mediated absorption of B12. Rather this mechanism is how these particular gut bacteria get enough B12 to thrive. This is important for human health in the sense that our gut needs healthy bacteria (they need to get their B12 too!) but the B12 that they absorb is not absorbed into our circulation and does not become metabolically useful B12 for us. The gut bacteria just use it to thrive themselves.

So its indirectly useful to human health as it allows these good gut beasts to thrive. But they dont give us their B12! Mean little b...... 😆

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WIZARD6787 in reply to Technoid

Thank you for reading that and sharing. I was hoping that it fit well with the current misunderstanding of how the human body functions. Maybe it will lead to something valuable.

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Narwhal10

Love it the WIZARD6787,

Physics hmm, I am actually not an expert in my field because, I am a Mathematician, who loves Physics, Cosmology and a Clinician.

One does have to be careful that a person does not have Short Bowel syndrome or Small Intestinal Bacterial/Archea/Fungal Overgrowth.

There are always exceptions to the rule, ain’t that right PEMDAS, BODMAS, BEDMAS, BIDMAS ?

So, doctors are being educated on not just looking for horse and rare zebras but unicorns and other mythical ungulates. 🐳

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WIZARD6787 in reply to Narwhal10

Not doctors physicists.

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Yep, the Professor Brian Cox is in my bag. A Mancunian, where did I study C0mput3r ScIEn{e > inf0rma¥i0n Sy$t@ms ??

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#Things Can Only Get Better.

Obvs, I can do Physics. Girlie SWOT that did Maths & Mechanics. Ain’t that right Lorenz ?

Some people can be a jerk - which is the 3rd derivative of position, with respect to TIME.

Ok which axis do you want me to rotate it through ? And at what angle ? Simple 😉

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WIZARD6787 in reply to Narwhal10

You obviously can be acute and obtuse at the same time. 😀 Good fun.

I am a Richard Feynman guy.

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Narwhal10 in reply to WIZARD6787

🤣 There are no straight lines in nature.

Nōlī turbāre circulōs meōs.

Poor Archimedes was dun for. 😢

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Oh the Wizard,

My skin has goosebumps. Just a hint of Quantum has this effect. On a hospital ward, staff would misinterpret my, Don’t mention the Q word as Quiet.

So, I would burst into song being Erik from Phantom of the Opera, My power over you grows stronger yet. Then, Sing my angels, sing for me.

Absolutely clueless that I was talking about numbers, time, space, the phases of the moon. One night, I asked everyone, Where have all the mercury thermometers gone then hey ?

In my personal life, I video, streams, rivers and the sea. The dynamics of H2O. I love a vortex or vortices too. Cheap at half the price.

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Regenallotment

Fascinating! good find 🙂 what I can find online suggests legumes/beans Zoe programme type diet. Which figures because I really struggle to digest those. QED 🌱

Snippet from we search on how to increase bacterioides
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Polo22

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WIZARD6787 in reply to Polo22

True that Quants Rule.

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Polo22

Do you think my hubby (degree is Astrophysics will like🤭🤣😉

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Polo22

Got him this one in past, don't think he saw the funny side oops

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