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Is it just me or is the B1 craze diminishing? Certainly the posts on this forum are lessening. I still take 250g per day after experimenting with different dosages. It’s so hard to know if it’s making a difference. How do others feel? Are you continuing B1 therapy?

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Diagnosed

2012

My regimen:

The positives: no bradykinesia, I cut my food with a knife, no button difficulties, brush my teeth now w/o needing elect brush, more strength. Getting in and out of bed, turning over is easier. No more constipation. Parkinson's progression stopped. Suppressed all motor and non-motor symptoms...

Entering my 7th year post diagnosis and have not fallen, not once, to the surprise of my neuro. Was seeing neuro every 6th month, last visit he set app one year. He said if needed we could do some changes earlier. He said my condition can change in as little time as one week.

New schedule, now I follow this regimen:

2 x day C/L 50-200 ER : 8 am, 5 pm. Because it is ER, I take with or w/o food.

2 x day (8 am 2g, and 5 pm 2g) Vitacost vitamin B1 (as thiamine HCL) 500mg, easy swallow capsules

B1 Thiamine therapy reference / stop progression, suppress motor and non-motor symptoms:

(Thiamine HCL is oral substitute to injecting B1) 2 x day (morning 2g and at lunch 2g)

Doctor Costantini strategy that I find helpful "thiamine hcl stops the progression forever...".

Parky people say the first five years is your honeymoon stage with Parkinson's. After that, progression more rapid.

I have gone from slow motion to normal motor action since joining the growing number of PwP that have started B1 regimen/protocol. –

Doctor Costantini - “Why is this? Because there is no medicine or drug that is able to affect all of the organs, whereas all of the organs function thanks to Thiamine. An important detail”, adds doctor Costantini, “the Thiamine therapy brings no collateral damage with time”.

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1. Read page, About, open links.,

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WinnieThePoo profile image
WinnieThePoo in reply to

I could have posted that for you 😉

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saraoutwest in reply to

Roy, I know this is your standard reply....which is cool, but you say it has suppressed all motor and non motor symptoms. Does that mean you no longer have symptoms of PD at all?

in reply to saraoutwest

90% suppressed

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saraoutwest in reply to

Wow...that’s wonderful. I’ll keep trying to get my correct dose

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Toogood in reply to saraoutwest

Has shaking stopped

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Juliegrace

I continue to take twice weekly injections and, yes, I think it helps.

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Gioc

IMHO You should keep videos that document the progression of the disease, especially a pull test if possible. As advised by Dr. C. Just if I quit, I feeling within two weeks non-motor symptoms such as constipation get worse.

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KERRINGTON

Yes, on it 17 mos...not without 'trials, and tribulations' though. Started at 4 gms ended up at 250, jumped back to 4 gm. where I'm improving again.

4 gms for 2 days, then 3 gms for another 2 days improved my gait, and balance by 70 %. On the evening of the 5th day after taking the same 3 gms I noted minor, persistent ,itching. After my 6th day I noted tremendous tremor, anxiety...itch/anxiousness ... are two B1 overdose

symptoms. So, I'm stopping for a few days, and will resume at 1.5 gms total. ( Dr C recommends cutting in half )My balance is still decent.

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LuckyLuke in reply to KERRINGTON

Yep me too. I lowered so much in 8 months and then now I'm raising to full dosage and I'm improving again..

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ion_ion

Helps a lot. 1g/day.

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narcisa56 in reply to ion_ion

Hi!

I promised to let you know about my B1 therapy. I received the package (from UK Nature's Aid, 100 mg tablets) 2 days ago and took a conservative approach by starting with 100 mg, and I will slowly increase the dose. Any suggestions at what rate? I would also like to know whether it is necessary to split the daily dose in two, how much apart they should be, and how many hours before going to sleep should the last dose be. taken.

Thanks and best wishes!

Mojca

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ion_ion in reply to narcisa56

Hi!

I understand you are a little reluctant to start a higher dose (I was ,too!) but 100 - 200 mg may not make a difference. Based on your size (height x weight) i would start with 500 mg in the morning (before 10pm) and 500 mg in the afternoon (before 4 pm). I started with 2x 1g and now I'm at 2x0.5 g. I saw partial results after a week and full results after a month. You can gradually increase from 2x0.1 to 2x0.5 or even 2x1g but probably will take longer to see results. I think for you the best dose would be 2x0.5 which you can gradually reach in time. You need also to drink a lot of water to eliminate it. I take it from March 2018; the single symptom left is some tremor in RH. All the others are gone. Usually I take it on empty stomach with a piece of dark chocolate. Avoid citrus juices soon before and after taking it.

Good luck!

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narcisa56 in reply to ion_ion

Thanks so much ! My original idea was also 500 mg + 500 mg daily but then I freaked out :) There is one more thing that is holding me back now - I saw on the label on the bottle that my tablets contain di-calcium phosphate as a binding agent. Since I have kidney stones this worries me a little bit. The quantity is not indicated. Maybe capsules would be more appropriate for me............I did not know that when ordering the tablets. And time flies.............

I understand you take several medications. Did you experience side effects and this is why you started with B1?

Good Luck!

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ion_ion in reply to narcisa56

Hi! I tried Amantadine but I stopped it because it did not help. I take Sinemet 2x100 a day but this was 1 year after starting B1 hoping will completely remove my tremor. The single one helping me is B1 except is not 100% removing the tremor. B1 gave me no side effects but as I said I also drink a lot of water to help eliminate. I know vit D creates calcium deposits but I did not know about the B1.

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narcisa56 in reply to ion_ion

Hi, Ion_Ion!

An update :) I followed your advice, and gradually built up the daily dose from 2x100mg to 2x500mg. I've been on this dose for almost 3 weeks. I have had no side effects but so far I have noticed no change in the symptoms, except for some worsening of depression (which could not be due to B1 - my sons are giving me a hard time!)).. Do you think I should stick to this dosage for additional couple of months or should I further increase the dose? How will I know what is going on?

Best regards

Mojca

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ion_ion in reply to narcisa56

Hi Mojica!

As far as I know from other people: for most of them one to three months the b1 showed improvements; if it does not then the dose needs further increase. I started with2x500 2 times a day (2g/day) for one year and went down to 2x500 or 3x500 the last five months. In my case I noticed small improvement after a week and big one after a month. No more depression, no more sleeping issues, no more balance, urinary, constipation issues and some reduction in tremor. Also stay away of stress as much as you can. My son was and is very supportive. Actually he helped me a lot.

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narcisa56 in reply to ion_ion

Thanks for the guidelines :)! It is really difficult now that dr. Costantini cannot help us any longer. I hope I can achieve some beneficial effects. In October I am seeing my neurologist who is only in favor of standard medications. But maybe she could prescribe B1 injections so that I could avoid the cost of the capsules.

Good luck and best regards!

Mojca

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ion_ion in reply to narcisa56

Regarding the cost I know Thiamine comes also in a powder format which is much cheaper than tablets (100x500mg Solgar = 15$ on Amazon). Usually the doctors stay away of non-standard medication. Injections may be good if you are not scared of the needle. I'm.

Good luck!

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narcisa56 in reply to ion_ion

Thanks so much, I'll consider both options. Tomorrow I'm seeing my neurologist...

Good wishes and good luck to you as well

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ElliotGreen

I have not given my complete attention to finding the right dosing level. I started it 2 g/day. I'm not sure if there were positive or negative effects. I now take 750 mg a day.

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parkie13 in reply to ElliotGreen

You can stop it for 2-3 weeks and find out. If you get worse, you can always go back on it.

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parkie13

For me it has made a tremendous difference, my balance , my driving, being able to sit up in bed and turn over in bed. Just recently, I stopped taking it for about three weeks and I noticed my balance was getting bed again. I restarted it at one pill of 500 mg a day and I'm just about back to the way I was before. With me thiamine HCL raises my blood pressure so that is why I stopped for a while.

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LAJ12345

It might be everything to be said about it has been said so everyone is chasing other leads😊

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jeeves19

The elephant in the room is the fact that Roy takes 600mg of CL. Most people’s symptoms would have a drastic improvement with such pharmaceutical intervention surely?

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Gioc in reply to jeeves19

Good question, in my opinion ldopa does not improve non-motor symptoms much.

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LuckyLuke in reply to Gioc

Hi Gio, in my experience C/L made the difference. I first tried when I was without medications in 2016 for about 6 months and had no noticeable improvements, then tried again in Jan 2019 and it worked just after the first shot. I'm still working on the dosage, it's like a rollercosater :) but it does.

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nellie58

My husband is still doing well. No real reason to post anything. B1 is for ever or until a cure is found and so it just becomes routine. Without Dr C to guide them, maybe less people are trying it? Roy's FB page is well followed and is interactive. I guess when people are doing well and focused on their lives, there is less need to check into this forum. I very rarely read posts now, unless a headline catches my eye..lol.

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andrehypnotic

Do you think they will ever find the cause of PD,so that they might

find a cure in years to come?

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Teras

Absolutely still trying. Seems to make a huge difference. But it's not sudden. A lot of people want instant results. It's not that way.

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Jennyjenny2

I have been going to post for some time about my husband’s symptoms improving since B1, but wanted to find the correct dose first. He had also been taking 150mg CL daily (originally 300mg but reduced by using mucuna) since April ‘18, but he was still severely constipated (having once been hospitalized), had a foggy head, his balance wasn’t great, had difficulty swallowing, anxiety... the list goes on.

Dr C started him on 500mg x 2 in Jan ‘19. This was based on him being 6 ft tall, 68 kgs and 60 years old. After much experimentation, we have settled on 400mg x 2, and taking a break for one day every 10-14 days, or when my husband has an unrestful night sleeping.

Things that have vastly improved are:

No more constipation - this resolved after 3 days on B1

No more foggy head - that cleared after 6 weeks

Balance - slowly improved

Swallowing - at last review in May ‘19, the speech pathologist noted his mouth was no longer drooping on one side, swallowing and tongue functions were normal and he didn’t present like someone who has PD.

Anxiety - this has taken a good 6 months to get where he is, and there’s still room for improvement, but so much better.

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brikar

At the last appointment that my husband had with the neurologist, he was told that he was doing better than the last that he was there. In fact, "you don't even look like you have Parkinsons!" (he still has a hand tremor that comes and goes) He gave the credit to thiamine, but she tunes that out.

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Jennyjenny2 in reply to brikar

You’ve just reminded me of our last appointment with the neurologist 2 months ago. My husband told him that he feels better than 6 months previously, to which he replied ‘well why are you here?’ He then made following appointment in 8 months instead of the usual 6 months. Thanks B1 !!

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MarionP in reply to brikar

You know, Brikar (and everyone else), you might just want to show her this string. How in the world is a neurologist, to whom people go only for answers, expected to mature into the proper professional ethics of continued education and learning and discipline of knowing how to critique both incoming information and one's own human limitations? If one can't do it for herself, she must shut out all incoming experience brought to her by her patients and colleagues over time, as potentially suspect which she herself lacks the tools to properly filter for the good stuff and filter out the irrelevant. Not quite professional, in my opinion and in my own professional experience. That may be ok if you live and work inside a complex research community clinical establishment, like a Mayo Clinic or major medical research medical university, but if you are like most, you are on your own until you decide to go learn more than the static of what you know.

Without proper science and research training (which practitioners rarely get, so they don't know how to extend their knowledge because they haven't the science tools to throw light on their own self-directed knowledge increase, not being able to effectively critique their own progression of self-generated hypotheses and hypotheses based on their own case experience and other inductive experiences), purely technical and engineering professionals, which is what a practitioner is, expected to extend and revise their knowledge responsibly without costing their patients inexcusable harm against their own hippocratic oath? It can't all come from waiting 10 years for an entire research community to somehow find it's way to her desk or a continuing education classroom. She has to be able to separate wheat from chaff new information on her own, as she encounters it. Otherwise there is no value from increased experience. Her 20 years experience is relegated to the same one year's experience 20 times over. That's not being a proper clinician, it's unethical.

So maybe showing her this very string might crack that hard head if hers, hopefully. A small crack. Tell her she suffers from a small dose of Dunning Kruger effect, and her oath requires her to develop her own initiative habits to do her part to take steps to minimise it.

After all, if she already thinks she knows it all and is only open to some peer review journals, if that, how is she going to ever meet her responsibility to get it right when knowledge does advance, even if its accumulation is "informal," or to put it another way, "accumulation of case experience-clinical?" Refusal would be tantamount to harming her patients, by refusing to acquire the important ability to critique oneself. To otherwise wait perhaps generations for that information to come to her through only one narrow route that could take many years due to her lack of the tools to reliably progress on her own, is virtual malpractice. This is why i regard it so important that practitioners learn early that clinical knowledge and training is not science, it is engineering, application. Practitioner training should include inculcating a healthy respect for learning how to acquire new knowledge through a set of research skills, rather than just being a passive consumer waiting to be fed by dedicated researchers. Practitioners don't need to get a research (Ph.D) degree, they just need to take a course or two in experiments and statistics and doing science. Then they can use it to see and sift new knowledge wheat from chaff as they gain experience. That's how Dr. C. did it (among several thousand actual famous "DISCOVERERS"...including a good number of Nobel laureates...of various miracles too by the way), and that's part of what I CALL being a proper clinician...eyes OPEN. How could any clinician properly deny it and yet claim to be delivering their best care to the people they've sworn an oath to?

Plus, all they have to do to spread the word is write a letter to a bunch of journals, and see it accepted into the published in the case reports and correspondence sections of those journals, and then the word is out about a possible new direction for research and practice, achieving early credit for contributing to the advance of knowledge even if it is short of scientifically conclusive...and this is how a lot of new research gets started, for it is regarded as quite legitimate in its role of stimulating new discovery. Eyes OPEN, doctor...and then say something to various colleagues and correspondents. Who knows, you might get the next Nobel from out of left field...a large number have.

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Debgiffen

I have been taking 2000 mgs of B1 for a little more than 6 months now and it has helped me immensely. I was barely able to walk, even with a walker, had severe tremors and my body was so stiff that just getting dressed would tire me out. I started immediately on 2000 mg and saw improvements within a few days. The first improvement for me was in my balance and once I felt more stable on my feet, the tremors were greatly reduced. After that my body loosened up and I started feeling more "normal".

Now, after 6 months I am driving again, walking 2-3 miles 3 or 4 times/week, yoga 2-3x/week and gardening 2 hours every day. Exercise is key to keep my body functioning and the B1 allows me to keep moving.

I was diagnosed 4 years ago, confirmed with DaTscan, but PD medications did not work for me. At my Dec 2018 neurologist's appointment I was told my next step was DBS so I am very happy I found about high dose thiamine. It has changed my life.

So maybe some of the PWPs experiencing improvement with B1 are spending less time on this forum. For me, it is the first thing I read every morning. I am so thankful to the members who share their experiences and posts on the latest PD research.

Kecher profile image
Kecher in reply to Debgiffen

Debgiffen.... do you take tablets or capsules? What time of the day do you take them and how many at a time? It is nice to hear your positive remarks.

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Debgiffen in reply to Kecher

I take 2 Vitacost brand 500 mg capsules at breakfast and 2 more at noon with food and 30 minutes before coffee or tea.

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chartist in reply to Debgiffen

Debgiffen,

Your story of recovery using B-1 is just AMAZING!!!

If you can, I have several questions regarding your protocol.

1, Have you stayed at 2,000 mg/day the whole time?

2, How much do you weigh?

3. Your symptoms before B-1 seem fairly serious considering you were diagnosed about 4 years ago. Do you think you actually had PD for quite awhile before you were diagnosed?

4. Have you had any side effects at all that you would attribute to HDT?

5. What has your neurologist said about your improvements?

Thank You!

Art

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Debgiffen in reply to chartist

Art,

1. I've continued with the 2 gms/ day until recently where I have been experimenting with reducing the dosage. I'm alternating between 2 gms and 1.5 gms/ day and sometimes I will skip a day completely. I know Dr. C states that it would takes months to revert back to previous PD state but I feel so much better than I did before b1 so I'm hesitant to regress, even just a little.

2. I now weigh 128 lbs at 5'5. I have gained 10 lbs since starting HDT almost 8 months ago, much of it as muscle.

3. Knowing what I know now, I have had symptoms for about 7years. My first symptoms were in my foot. I had so many issues with toe curling that I ended up with screws in 3 of my toes due to joint damage. No one ever suggested that it could a neurological problem.

4. One of the reasons I am trying to reduce my b1 dosage is that I am experiencing sharp hip pain at night, like someone sticking a knife in the joint and turning it. During the day I don't notice it unless I sit for extended periods. I've always a little bit of hip pain at night and was checked for arthritis (none found) so I am suspicious that the b1 is making the problem worse.

5. I was scheduled to see my MDS in July but moved it out to next year since I have a high deductible insurance and my out-of-pocket cost would be about $400, which, although I would love to see his reaction, I would rather spend the money on yoga classes. I did send him an email describing what I was doing and includes a video of me walking, balancing on one leg, etc. but I never received a reply. I sent him links to Dr. C's website and the stopparkinson.org website asking him to please share the information with his patients but I'm sure that was ignored.

Deb

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chartist in reply to Debgiffen

Deb,

Thank you for the prompt and full reply! I'm not sure if the following would apply to your situation exactly, but possibly.

Regarding your answer for #4, Dr. Costantini said the following on the HDT FAQ page in Q & A # 55 :

55. A forum member recently asked Dr. Costantini, " Have you ever seen any side effects in the form of back and leg pain and muscle tension?"

A. Yes, when the dose is slightly excessive compared to the needs of the patient.

Here is a link to the HDT FAQ page :

healthunlocked.com/parkinso...

Art

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parkie13 in reply to Debgiffen

Hi Deb, this is in regard to your hip pain, while lying on your bed. What I tried is putting a pillow under my hips, that seems to help, just elevating your hips. If you decide to try it, please let me know if it has helped you. Mary

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Zella23

I think my husband is being helped by B1 takes 1 gm twice a day, he has a few other supplements, Q 10, vit D, NAC vit C zinc. The NAC has defo stopped the coughing which was frequent! He can exercise, swim, aqua aerobics, walk and cycle. Gets tired and has pm sleep.

Sleeps well at night, no constipation some tremoring but not all the time. Does get fed up with pill taking but have found all easy to swallow capsules now.

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Biff69

B1 still works for me. 4g a day is far too much for me & makes me much worse but I see & feel a significant improvement on 1 to 1.5g per day

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Cons10s

B1 continues to be beneficial for me. It permanently knocked out non motor symptoms which include voice tone an deflection plus swallowing all normal now. Helped balance and constipation.

Added Dr. Joe Dispenza meditation, this further corrected my balance and constipation and normalized my gait most of the day.

I’ve been taking Mucuna for a couple of years plus Vinpocetine. A few other powders in my smoothie and life is near normal.

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Kecher in reply to Cons10s

Cons10s..... what is your B1 intake? What type of mucuna you take? What are some of the other things that you take like powders? Thank you for sharing your experience.

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Cons10s in reply to Kecher

Kecher my B1 intake now varies between 500mg to 1000 MG daily.

Barlow’s 40% Mucuna as needed.

Other powders are Moringa, cinnamon, Turmeric, bacopa an Indian herb, and whole plant Mucuna. This assortment is all tossed together in a jar with no particular qualities and I just dump 1 to 2 tablespoons into my smoothie a couple times a week.

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reedboat2

I’m back on 100mg injections. I tried switching to oral but doses over 250mg upset my gut, so couldn’t get enough in me. The injections definitely help. Better balance, more energy and feel better overall.

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CapSage

I have been taking B1 for years, mainly for mental exhaustion and to help sleep. But since being diagnosed with PD in 2014, I have taken 100 mg. each morning, 400 mg. with evening meal, and 100 mg (with other supplements in a sleep cocktail) before bed.

After reading many of these B1 posts, I may try upping my B1 dosage to see if it helps calm hand tremors. Any suggestions?

in reply to CapSage

Don't expect help with tremor

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CapSage in reply to

Thank you for your reply to my post about B1 targetting tremors. Do you know any thing(s) that do help with PD tremors?

in reply to CapSage

I recently turned to medical marijuana. Last night my tremor was strong. After taking 25mg THC I was able to reduce tremor and go to sleep.

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CapSage in reply to

Thank you, Roy! I have heard of people using that, and others avoiding THC and using CBD oil. Have you tried that for tremors?

in reply to CapSage

I have tried cbd.

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CapSage in reply to

Thank you. Did it help your tremors? And were there side effects?

in reply to CapSage

no, no

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CapSage in reply to

Thank you Roy!

chartist profile image
chartist in reply to CapSage

CapSage,

There are now 29 forum members who have reported varying degrees of tremor improvement that they attribute to HDT / B-1 all of the way down to zero!

Art

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CapSage in reply to chartist

Thank you, Art! By "zero," do you mean HDT B1 intake resulting in "zero" tremors?

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chartist in reply to CapSage

Yes, that is correct. That was the best results that were reported by forum members, but the range was that some improvement in tremor was noted all the way to zero tremor. A fairly subjective assessment for those less than zero , but apparently even the least improvement was good enough that the member felt it was worth reporting on the forum. I've seen some people mention that the tremor was gone for certain periods of time and might return under stressful conditions, but to a lesser degree.

Art

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CapSage in reply to chartist

Hi Art, Thanks so much for your replies and information on this. I was taking 800 mg of B1 per day, then increased to 1000 mg for a few days, but didn't notice any change. Maybe I'll bump it up to some higher level to see if there's a positive change. The rule of thumb I've applied is to raise a supplement high enough to notice positive change, then increase it until no difference or a negative effect, then reduce it back to the level that gave the first best result. Thoughts?

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chartist in reply to CapSage

Dr. Costantini has said it is fine to work your way up from lower dosing to higher dosing as a viable option to starting higher and seeing how you respond and then adjusting the dose accordingly based on your initial responses. Your method is much less likely to cause significant symptom deterioration as can sometimes happen if your first doses are too high. Working up from low to high maybe a bit slower, but if you are a B-1 responder, as the majority are, you're going to be taking B-1 for life so there is plenty of time to adjust the dose as needed.

Art

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CapSage in reply to chartist

Hi Art, Thank you SO much for your thoughtful and informative reply! What is the current status of the Italian doctor? (I read he had problems physically himself, but wonder what happened.)

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chartist in reply to CapSage

The best way to explain what happened to Dr. Costantini is to refer you to Marco's thread where he explains it. You'll have to scroll through it to find Marco's comments. He goes by Surfdivinity.

healthunlocked.com/parkinso...

There are at least 4 updates and the last one was approximately one month ago.

Art

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CapSage in reply to chartist

Dear Art, Thanks again for your reply! I checked for Marco's thread on the state of Dr. Costantini, and I did find the first letter/email, and then one updated 2 months ago.

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chartist in reply to CapSage

Yes, when I first found it, it showed one month ago on the post, but it was obviously about to switch to the 2 month mark and so it did. Here is what Marco said in that post :

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Surfdivinity

Surfdivinity

2 months ago

Dear all,

An update while Dr. Costantini continues recovering. Months after his surgery he still not fully out of danger, and this is the clear sign that the hit has been important and his condition is serious. He talks and interacts well but his vital parameters still need to be monitored 24/7. It is clear now that he will not be able to resume working as he used to, but he will only be able to have an advisory role for the other members of his group.

In the meantime I was contacted by a member of this forum requesting news about the funding campaign. This is surprising as the GoFundMe campaign, as all crowdfunding campaigns, is fully public and the rules are quite straight forward. The funds are to be used exclusively for the terms of the agreement published in the announcement of the campaign itself, thus solely when the target amount is achieved the funds will be spent exclusively for the purpose of carrying out the scientific research connected to the funding campaign. We are still very far from achieving the set goal and this is why in the meantime we have been looking for additional funding opportunities.

On a more relevant note, I would like to call upon the contribution of members of this forum with involving clinics and hospitals who could participate in a clinical trial on the efficacy of the HDT therapy. As you know, we are relentlessly trying to carry out a double-blind placebo controlled clinical trial on the HDT therapy and for this we have applied for grants offered by a major institution in the research on PD. One critical aspect of the research is the necessity to gather a representative sample of patients with a decent geographical distribution.

To this end then, if members of this forum have contacts with potentially interested clinics/hospitals/research centers that are in the position to carry out clinical trials under our supervision (recruiting and following a relevant number of patients - 25 or more - ) as Co-Investigators and have experience with clinical trials on PD, it would be very important that you put a focal point from these institutions in touch with me.

Thank you for your attention

Best regards

-Marco

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CapSage in reply to chartist

Hi Art, Yes! I did a closer search completely through Marco's thread and found 5 or 6 message-updates from Marco including the one 2 months ago. I sincerely hope Dr. Costantini fully recovers very soon, and thank you again for your help.

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CapSage in reply to chartist

Hi Art, I forgot to mention that, as requested in the Marco updates, I contacted MJFF Insight program, of which I am a member, and requested that they support more clinical studies of the HDT B1 therapy, such as that by Dr. Costantini.

I told them I too had benefited from a measure of HDT of B1, and that I would be willing to participate in a clinical trial on that or other NATURAL remedies for PD and its symptoms.

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chartist in reply to CapSage

Every contribution counts! MJFF has to have a substantial amount of anecdotal reports about HDT by now and if that number continues to grow and gets big enough, it seems they should take the necessary steps to fund what they can in terms of a human study.

Art

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CapSage in reply to chartist

I agree 100%! I have communicated to them (MJFF) before also letting them know that I'm disappointed in the apparent fact that they only seem to support pharmaceutical attempts to improve or diagnose PD that can be patented and thus "claimed" as a financial gold mine. Natural solutions can not be patented to my knowledge, and may be the reason that no major research is being financed or pursued. I personally believe that both these and all other viable approaches should be supported.

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chartist in reply to CapSage

The problem I have with MJFF is when I look at the studies that they have contributed funding to and then I look at the results that people using HDT have reported and I can not understand their approval process, period. Are they really trying to find viable treatments for PD or have they become like some other organizations who are specialized to a specific disease and are now in the business of keeping their own business going as the prime directive! It may just be the pessimist in me, but have any of these one disease organizations ever found a cure for their specific disease? Just one? Has MJFF funded anything that has actually ended up helping to improve the quality of life of PWPs? They have been in business since 2000. Don't CEO's generally have to produce significant results within a reasonable time frame in order to keep their job???

Perhaps I am just out of touch with reality, but """no very significant results""" in about 20 years of being in business with a very sizable budget just seems unreasonable to me and certainly not a business model that should be promoted, but that's just my opinion and I could be wrong!

Art

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CapSage in reply to chartist

Art, You are right on target as I see it. I have felt the same exact way for years, and yes, wouldn't ya' think they'd (MJFF) have come up with something to show for having million$ pass through their lines!

The purpose should NOT be to keep all the white-coats (said affectionately, as I've been one myself...a lab tech years ago) receiving a paycheck and to make their "research" stretch into the infinite future! Or to avoid natural (un-patentable) cures suppressed so that the "winner" can reap gazillion$ from the patentable, pharmaceutical cure.

They also seem to consume the million$ researching how to diagnose earlier, with no apparent useful progress in CURING Parkinson's. That's like continuing to work on preventing Joe's house from catching fire, or learning that it is about to catch fire, while ignoring Bill's house that is on fire and burning to the ground!

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chartist in reply to CapSage

CapSage,

I know my post is fairly negative re: MJFF and some one disease outfits, but they are applying their funding to further research into PD related areas so that is good and they are a not for profit organization. I admit I may be wrong about them and I admit that I am jaded as regards many one disease outfits, but that is all based on my perception which is clearly limited as I am not at any of these businesses on a daily basis to see exactly what they are doing with all of their funding and how they are running their respective business.

What I do not make any excuse or exception for is a lack of very notable progress in terms of quality of life improvements for patients over periods greater than 30 years by some of these businesses! That is inexcusable and shameful not to mention wasteful considering the funding that some of these corporations have burned through over 30 years + of being in business!

Art

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jimcaster

I think most of us have said about everything we have to say regarding B1. I began taking B1 within weeks of being diagnosed in May of 2018 and I still take 1.5 grams daily.

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st8farm

Folks, I had drooling, shuffling, falling. soft voice, lack of clarity, constipation, right hand tremor significant enough to make my arm tired every day, and other markers that confirmed my PD. I had a DATScan that showed the deterioration. \

I found the good Dr. and read the testimonies and decided to start the B1 protocol. At 74, 220 lbs, and sedentary, I decided to jump in the deep end. Everything cleared up or went away. I still take 8 500 milligram capsules per day every morning. All markers have stayed away except the right hand tremor has returned and I will try to adjust the B1 to respond. If I go to my grave and this is all there is, I will think myself fortunate.

Thank God for B1. However, with the good Dr. out of the picture now we have no "source" to steady ourselves upon. I corresponded with him 3 times in Italy by e-mail and was answered each time within 3 hours. His advice was always spot on and gave me confidence to go forward. The last several years have been almost a total reprieve for my life.

The B1 community needs a new Dr. to assume the mantle of "Chief consultant". Roy is doing a good job with his face book group in keeping the B1 story alive but we need physicians to take up the mantle.

Larry (stfarm)

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chartist in reply to st8farm

Larry,

Many links that I compiled from information that came from Dr. Costantini and may be useful to others looking into HDT/B-1 can be found at the following link :

healthunlocked.com/parkinso...

Most of the information is still relevant and will help new comers and veterans to find answers to many of their HDT/B-1 questions quickly!

Art

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Cleo16 in reply to chartist

You're back Art. Nice

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gigi9

My husband naturopath I s giving us the B1 in injection

I have to give my husband 2 needle of B1 per day

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chartist in reply to gigi9

gigi9,

Wow, two injections per day!?!?!

That would get old really fast!

In all the information that Dr. Costantini has bestowed upon this forum, I can not ever remember him suggesting more than "three injections per week". Two a day would drive me crazy and I would think that compliance would eventually become a real problem!

Art

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alaynedellow

It has taken me over a year to get my dose right. I started on hdt with the good Dr's advice and my last email from him said ''my face had lost its parkinsonism" i was so happy to not be poker face anymore. He encouraged me to take sinimet with the B1 as they work in "synergy together". The good doc was taken ill so I have had advice from some wonderful hu forum members. Thank you so much.

I presevered with the hdt because i had some fantastic days when i returned to "normal" so i knew it could work if i got it right. My initial dose was 1500 twice a day but this was way too much the doc cut to one dose a day.

My dose now is about 175 mg a day. A huge reduction. I take capsules and open them just taking the powder. You get used to the taste.

I had found that the doses would be ok for 5ish weeks then i'd overdose and it would take 2/3 weeks to come off to start again and i was dropping the dose so in the end i started on 50 mg a day and worked up, i would still go over the top trying to achieve the magical big dose..... Seems my big dose is 175mg! It has taken over a year.

How do i feel and what do i take...

Madopor 125 slow release 6am and 2.30pm

Azilect 1 mg am

B1 175mg am

Mannitol 1 tbsp in coffee

I feel better than i have felt for years.

A real marker for me has been that i can swim again- for years i have swam a mile a week of front crawl- once diagnosed i moved to france and now have a swimming pool- and i could not get half way down my 10metre pool. The co-ordination to swim was totally gone i could only manage a couple of lengths if i told my arm to move with every stroke. This summer i got in pool and without thinking it all came together and my strong stroke was there again. That is not a placebo effect!!

I am running again taking yoga classes weekly and feel stronger andmore energised.

I have just returned from weeks yoga and hiking retreat in the pyreenes completing over 70 km of walks- 2.5 km in my socks as my trainers malfunctioned.

I sleep like a baby for solid 8hrs a night, get into bed easily now, can dress myself at normal speed, can now wash my own hair, writing has improved hugely- mostly legible now. My apathy and anxiety are gone. My body is relaxed i dont feel all tense and tight. The cramps are gone with some simple steetches. I have not collapsed/fell in ages. My last bad day- been a long while ago.

I'm not cured but its the return sometimes of little things that mean so much.

Sorry if a long ramble but just trying to share there is no "one package fits all" try it, presevere, keep detailed notes n video because you need to review your progress.

This forum has saved my life so thank you for sharing and helping me and lets help others by continuing to share.

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Casey953 in reply to alaynedellow

thank you for taking the time to post. It shows the benefit of continuing to persevere. I assume that is doing me good since I no longer have a problem with constipation and rather take B1 than laxatives will continue to experiment with dosage

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