Is Parkinson's the slow Degradation of th... - Cure Parkinson's

Cure Parkinson's

25,518 members26,832 posts

Is Parkinson's the slow Degradation of the unconscious mind. A HYPothesis.

Serenity_finaly-1 profile image

Are there any Parkies " just parkies " that where able to type without thinking about it. It had become subconscious but now you have to think about it . Not only where the letters are but how to spell the words. Are we trying to relearn everything others take for granted because it is done without a thought, like swinging your arm when you walk.

If you can think of anything else that you had to learn but became a non issue because your brain said " hey I have got this, you don't need to think about it anymore." If you had to relearn it and still can't quit get it down please let me know.

Written by
Serenity_finaly-1 profile image
Serenity_finaly-1
To view profiles and participate in discussions please or .
30 Replies

Moving the mouse and clicking with the left hand while I typed with the right while eating peanuts. Now, I use the left to hold the mouse in place and click with my right index finger while the size of the courser changes size as I shake and the peanuts, they lay all over the floor. Little things like sharpening the knife before carving a roast become an adventure with Samaria swords. Those long slow movements as I climb the ladder taking time to make sure I am still vertical and the quick realization that I do not know if I am as I cling to the ladder, on the first rung , 12 inches off the ground. Walking , jogging running for hours just for the joy of it free as the wind, able to leap over tall buildings in a single bound, instead of standing motionless on the side of the road with my mouth open, drooling , frozen because I got distracted by a passing fire truck and lost my concentration. Putting on my pants and socks and tying shoe laces while standing on one leg vs every other possible method that does not work that causes people to tell me my shoes laces are undone. Drinking coffee while I read the morning paper, not chocking , not spilled on the table, floor or newspaper, just a simple sip of coffee without having to file a plan of execution or look for the mop and a clean shirt.

Just did all that today, I wonder what will happen tomorrow

Penelope68 profile image
Penelope68 in reply to

We must be working out a lot of karma. And you definitely have a way with words. Thanks I needed a laugh tonight.

landman profile image
landman in reply to

You are funny! Keep it up.

onlysize3feet profile image
onlysize3feet

I had to go to the physiotherapy department in our local hospital and ask them how you go downstairs because I had forgotten how to walk down stairs and every time I tried it was like the ministry of funny walks

Tamarisk profile image
Tamarisk

Thats a parky for you and GymBag you are superman.

Hang in there Hal.

Don_oregon_duck profile image
Don_oregon_duck

How to get into bed. It seemed so simple but all of a sudden I had to figure out how to crawl in bed. Do I crawl in on my knees or sit on the bed side then lay back on my back,then twist around so I am lengthwise. I have no idea how I used to do it but the latter strategy is what works for me... today. It might change tomorrow, one never knows.

DEAT profile image
DEAT

How to run. Had to retrain myself to run. Kept practising and now do it a lot better.

FMundo profile image
FMundo

One thing in terms of typing that has occurred to me since I was diagnosed with PD is that I am typing some words twice more often, and interestingly, it seems that what I might call "auditory ideation" occurs more frequently. I type words that "sound" like the word I meant to type. Words with entirely different meanings. Not "too" for "two". Something like, "I took a fright of my sandwitch."

Go rigor . . . err I mean Go Figure. And being a Freudian, I'm particularly interested in the words that emerge.

in reply to FMundo

A friend , an only child , kept calling his new born son his brother, after that I watched for Freudian slips more and observed it is very real, but I have never heard of a " Freudian" Tell me more .

Serenity_finaly-1 profile image
Serenity_finaly-1 in reply to FMundo

Spelling was never my strong suit, but it has gotten so bad that even google search will tell me I have no idea what you want to search. @FMundo it looks like you are in the area, are you going to be at the BAEHR CHALLENGE?

FMundo profile image
FMundo in reply to Serenity_finaly-1

Not sure, just looked it up. My wife gets her 5th hip replacement tomorrow. . . I'll have to see how she pulls thru. I do 10 miles a day 5 days a week at the Y for exercise, attend exercise class at Banner Neurological Wellness one hour a week... and am thinking about Rock Steady Boxing . . . so I do invest time in exercise as it is . . .

FMundo profile image
FMundo in reply to FMundo

Yes, five. Four on one side, now we're starting on the other side!

Serenity_finaly-1 profile image
Serenity_finaly-1 in reply to FMundo

It is my understanding with all the snow birds going home that the boxer who runs it locally may not be able to continue. He needs a min. of 20 people I believe it is. He was thinking of adding another class because of the high attendance an in 2 weeks it dropped to 12. I don't think that he really thought about seniors being snow birds.

paddyfield profile image
paddyfield in reply to FMundo

The phenomenon of A WRONG SPELLING BENG DUE TO MISHEARING MYSELF IS A FAMILIAR ONE.. aLSO IN HANDWRITING MISSING THEFIIRST LETTER OF A WORD PRESUMABLY BECAUSE THOUGHTS PROCEED BEFORE HAND ENGAGED WAS ONE OF THE PRE-DX FUNNIES i NOTICED. (IGNORE CAPS.)

FMundo profile image
FMundo

I majored in Psychology, and the focus at the time was on Behavioral Science. Postive reinforcement, rats bar pressing etc. I was interested in that but even more interested in Freudian Psychology (Sigmund Freud), who established the idea of the unconscious. I considered myself a "Freudian" (Psychologist). Briefly, as I decided post college, that psychology was not my bag.

in reply to FMundo

Psychologist was too deep for me, I was lucky not to be taken to one as a patient.

Body language and reverse Dale Carnegie was my interest. You can have a tremendous amount of nearly innocent fun with people who took and practiced what Carnegie taught in the course. Body language served me well through life in the work world as a manager and as a salesman. People are strange and many very predictable , consciously or otherwise and Caregie believers were very much convinced and converted for a life time. I guess it served them. The unconscious is always watching ready to jump in and make a foolish mistake.

It has been said " once you learn to ride a bike, you will always be able to ride a bike." IS this true for Parkies?

FMundo profile image
FMundo

No. I watched a friend who was athletic and a good bike rider degrade and have more and more accidents and falling down. However, if your bike riding is confined to a stationary bike at the YMCA (like mine is) . . . I guess I'll keep going until they have to prop me up on the thing.

paddyfield profile image
paddyfield in reply to FMundo

yET tHERE ARE WHO CAN RIDE A BIKE YET HARDLY WALK.

JohnPepper profile image
JohnPepper

Hi Serenity_finaly-1. You have hit the nail on the head. Pd can affect anything we do without having to think about it. I have problems walking, bringing food to my mouth and writing, among many others. I have to now walk consciously controllong my leg and arm movements, I have to concentrate very hard on bring food and drink to my mouth, otherwise I spill most of it and I have to write in block letters if I intend to get myself and others to read what I have written.

Once we are prepared to start using our conscious brain to take control of our movements, we will become dependent upon drugs to temporarily overcome these problems until the drugs no longer work and we up a creek without a paddle.

I no longer take any Pd drugs for the past 14 years and live a normal life at the age of 82. Give it a try!

Serenity_finaly-1 profile image
Serenity_finaly-1 in reply to JohnPepper

You were kind of my inspiration. you keep mentioning that what was taken for granite you know have to think about. A couple of days ago I was on the computer and my daughter was rolling her eyes and said here let me type that. When I started to ask her when did she get to be so fast and she replied that it took about 3 years but it clicked and when she didn't have to think about it any more it became much faster. That would lead me to believe that as Parkies we think much more about the world around us than others. I referred to them as filters in the past but now believe that part of or brain works kind of like the UPS. Sorts things that come in to piles. Not important , important , must react now. I am starting to believe we look at everything as important, what do I do now?

YOURS TRULY CHATTING AWAY ONLINE

youtu.be/0SmyATAYsNs

JohnPepper profile image
JohnPepper in reply to Serenity_finaly-1

Hi Serenity. Now I've forgotten the question! If you let your daughter type for you, you will learn nothing. My typing is attrocius, I have to make at least one correction on every line and it gets pretty boring. But I manage to write a large number of emails every day and even try to please others on HU. So, stick in there kid, speed doesn't count, achievement does.

Serenity_finaly-1 profile image
Serenity_finaly-1 in reply to JohnPepper

See cartoon above, that is my typing speed so I can only torture my family so much. I am trying to learn how to type I just don't know if it is still possible.

HAL

JohnPepper profile image
JohnPepper in reply to Serenity_finaly-1

Hi Hal. Of course, everything is possible. I type one line a t a time and then go back and correct the various mistakes before getting on to the next line. If I stopped, for any reason, I would them be doing nothing. Bad typing is better than no typing.

Enidah profile image
Enidah in reply to Serenity_finaly-1

I really like what you said here. That our brains take in everything as if it's of equal importance. If this is true, and it sounds true to me, no wonder we get stressed out anxious and overwhelmed. And we certainly can't multitask because we can't go into that zone of doing things automatically.

Serenity_finaly-1 profile image
Serenity_finaly-1 in reply to Enidah

Like 🙌👍👌 like like like.

Serenity_finaly-1 profile image
Serenity_finaly-1 in reply to Enidah

Enidah

youtu.be/EOjyDFplVfw

Enidah profile image
Enidah in reply to Serenity_finaly-1

Hahaha! Tom Cruise being intense...great!

Serenity_finaly-1 profile image
Serenity_finaly-1 in reply to Enidah

You seem to get me. I get that the brain is amazing and able to reroute learned movement and social skills even swinging your arm. If the pathway for a movement is like a river the river can be diverted so you can relearn to do that movement. How ever there is a life time of tributaries to that river that now have been severed. The nuance of a word, keep your toes pointed out when you walk or even worse a life time of learning when to fight or flight (decision making process ) is affected. So you can relearn a movement but the lifetime of what ifs, are severed from that movement.

Enidah profile image
Enidah in reply to Serenity_finaly-1

Something else to throw into the mix that absolutely fascinates me. A story I heard a few years ago about old folks and a home that was burning and although they had extreme Parkinson's they all got their butts out onto the sidewalk pronto, no problem. And then proceeded to immediately reacquire all their devastating debilitating symptoms of Parkinson's. The brain is so fascinating! Apparently I need to light a fire next to my bed every morning.

You may also like...

The Endotoxin Hypothesis of Parkinson's Disease

Communication to the brain via circulating LPS and cytokines in the blood and/or the gut–brain axis...

Reducing oxidative stress and inflammation to slow Parkinson's disease

electrophiles. You find these in food and the best are in broccoli. Yep! Eat your greens! It's...

Effects of coenzyme Q10 in early Parkinson disease: evidence of slowing of the functional decline

are conflicting opinions about CoQ10 supplementation. It's unlikely to harm you even at a higher...

How I manage my symptoms, hoping to slow down progression of Parkinson's Disease.

feel free to forward this document to anyone who you think might benefit from it. Michel...

Parkinson's disease drug ropinirole safely slows the progression of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis

one. But first the government needs to come clean about causation. Please take the time to watch...