Election Time Again

I know we shouldn't discuss politics but I am really so confused. I really don't know who to vote for. I am considering opting out completely which I have always considered a bad thing to do. Labour now terrifies me under its current leader. May is not on the side of the likes of us. But she is strong. Nope its got to be Lib Dems. Just wanted to vent my feelings! Sorry.

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  • No we should not discuss politics .here but as you.ve asked.

    What exactly you you like about that superficial woman.

    Also why don.t you like corbyn.as he is honest .and sincere.and its only labour that will look after those with disabilities. Families .scools and hospitals.whats not to like.

    Maybe looking after those with money .seems good to you. Those who don.t need to worry about staying in work when you are struggling because you can.t afford not to.

    Just my view

  • I agree with you but I really think corbyn is too idealistic. May is very superficial. I can't stand either of them. So lib dem gets my vote rather than not vote.

  • Sorry din.t no what you mean idealistic .

    He.s what labour was and except for blair always will be .for the people .can.t say better than that .sorry

  • You might just be convincing me.

  • I don't read either of those comics

  • I do like intelligent debates

  • Politics and religion on here always leads to tears..... all I can say is that I'm quite happy to have left the UK. Every time I've applied for a postal vote it hasn't arrived in time, so I probably won't even try this time.

  • I know. Its a slippery road. I would like to join you!

  • Thing is it is so important for the weaker members of society to have a leader that cares.

  • It really does love .and as long as people can talk nicely .it helps .after all it effects us all .

    We need people who really care in all walks of life .so easy to pretend.

  • Personally I think a PM who cuts NHS / police / military /firemen all who who help to save & protect our lives & then cuts aid to sick suffering & even dying & children and Elderly going hungry , it's just not acceptable so to me it's obvious to vote for apologies for ranting on ,but I do care about all those who can't help themselves

    Warm hugs to all Peggy x

    ⭐️🌹⭐️

  • With regards to May - strength is only of value idnused appropriately. May reminds me of that her and that frightens me more than corben.

    As in Scotland , it's a no brained for me πŸ˜€

  • Yes I know. I think morally I know who to vote for now. Thanks for your input. I think I knew this already but your comments have cleared my fog a bit.

  • Oh and I agree with your post about 'diets'. It does get a bit irritating! We are all so different and have different needs.

  • Typo - "used appropriately"

  • Oops and another "thatcher"

    Swollen fingers!!

  • Exactly xx ha ha.

  • I'm sorry but I have to say something and I wouldn't usually. However i am entitled to my opinion too and in my opinion, Jeremy Corbyn is a traitor to the UK. He has stood side by side with IRA terrorists and still refuses to denounce their actions. That is hardly a "caring" attitude. He also believes that we can "sit down with ISIS and have a cup of tea" and that will sort everything out! His behaviour is an insult to those who have been affected by terrorism.

  • I agree

  • Yes I have to agree with you and say JC thinks everything can be resolved over a cup of tea and a smile. That does scare me. The world is not like that sadly. I can't vote just on the basis that benefits will be better. There are many more issues to consider

  • Don't worry Cathy....I don't think he has any chance of becoming PM any time soon.

  • I would vote labour but for him. He will blight any chance they have.

  • Believe half of what you see and nothinh of what you read

  • Believe half of what you see and nothinh of what you read

  • I'm a leftie all the way and will never ever vote Tory as long as I live but I shan't be voting for labour as I have no confidence in Corbyn. In addition to what you said Barrister, he also has made statements with revolting anti-Semitic undertones and for that reason, I will never vote for him.

    I have no idea what I'm going to do on 8th June, probably spoil my ballot.

  • Yes I am the same. I can't vote for either. Corbyn is always described as genuine and caring but that's not how I see him at all. Now Lib Dems say they will legalise pot and tax it. Not sure I agree with that either. I know women died to give us the vote but this is a different world now and voting just because you can don't make sense.

  • Not voting means your place will be taken as apathy. Turn up and spoil the ballot (in any way, including writing "none of the above" on it) but it does make sense to vote just because you can: there are people still dying today to get the vote. We've had voting so long people take it for granted, but look what rich billionaire newspaper owners are capable of making people believe (in this country and the US) if we don't participate and keep it, we could find we lose it. Please vote, whoever you vote for or if you spoil it, please please vote. You matter, your vote counts. xx

  • There are more than just Torries and Labour to vote for.

    Lib Dem could get your vote and that of many others.

    I do not even get to vote even though I pay my taxes and NI here. I live here... this is my home.

    So please do vote! For people like me who volunteer at my children's schools to help when the schools can not afford teachers. I try to the best of my abilities to be a productive citizen by helping my elderly neighbors.

    I know that for now I'm lucky that I have not had to rely on the system for financial support. I'm proud of this as I know there are people that is much more in need.

    So please please please vote for a party that will make you feel that they at least try to provide a balance in protecting the weak and honor those that fought before to make this country stand for the freedoms and social help we have today.

  • May I ask why you cannot vote? I have made my decision. I will not be tactical voting I will vote for the right party.

  • He has issues with the apartheid state of Israel. That's not anti-Semitism.

    Read up on the group Jews For Corbyn. Who love him.

  • There's also a group of Jews who are anti Israel, so that doesn't really wash with me. Also, he was incredibly rude to a Holocaust survivor. He's not my leader, so I won't vote for him and I'm afraid, that it's not just that. There are other factors such as; what Barrister said, which puts me off.

  • Definitely NOT I emphasise NOT once again DO NOT VOTE Conservative. Just once more DONT VOTE CONSERVATIVE. The blue party . She isn't going to support Disability benefits . She's planning on cutting it . X

  • So if you think corbyn is a traitor and not going to vote for May?

  • I am still confused and worried

  • Yes it's a worry for all of us with life long disabilities you can count on Mrs May to screw things up FACT Look what Tories have done to DLA.

  • Totally agree x

  • Well don't take my word for it . Who can you trust ? They all like the sound of there own voice , they all promise to make Great Britian Great again . Looking at the polls May is in the lead.

  • It looks like a landslide victory for her. But who knows. I don't think I can vote for either of these leaders.. So frustrating isn't it.

  • Your choice.x

  • Happy to have our Nicola (SNP)

  • I have always voted, since I was 18. I haven't always agreed with every policy of the party that I have voted for but most certainly have never voted for someone purely on the sayso of another person. But I am mindful of the fact that women died to give me the right to vote and would never abstain purely for that reason. If you are unsure which party to vote for then you must do your own research. Certainly talk to other people but look at the policies of each party, question, question, question. Look at the past performance of each of those parties - did they put YOUR money where there mouths were? Only you know what you want to see happen in our future Britain.

  • Yes I do question but I am usually disappointed and don't really expect any different now. I can only go with the major policies I agree or disagree with. This eliminates both these parties. Thanks anyway.

  • I think these are the most useful links:

    Whose policies are closest to yours? whoshouldyouvotefor.com

    If you want to vote tactically you might find this helpful: tactical2017.com

    Did politicians do what they said they'd do? Check here: theyworkforyou.com/

  • I think these are the most useful links:

    Whose policies are closest to yours? whoshouldyouvotefor.com

    If you want to vote tactically you might find this helpful: tactical2017.com

    Did politicians do what they said they'd do? Check here: theyworkforyou.com/

  • Oh thanks I will certainly look at this.

  • Just did the test and my views came out right .won.t be viting for may in june.xthank you .x

  • My pleasure..I haven't done it myself yet..but did a similar one last year.

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  • Mine can out totally wrong, suggesting labour.

  • Maybe it was telling you something

  • Noooooo

  • Lol

  • Remember you're not voting for one person, your voting for the party, the policies. This is a government *party* not King of the Jungle. Not voting based on your policy choices (as per the links) means defacto greater chance of the other side getting in. It's the outcome you're after which is important.

    You might also find "They Work for You" site useful, it shows you what a particular candidate voted for (as opposed to tells the media they will/did vote for) and is a non-party factual record from the parliament recorder (Hansard) so not swayed by party bias.

    Whose policies are closest to yours? whoshouldyouvotefor.com

    If you want to vote tactically you might find this helpful: tactical2017.com

    Did politicians do what they said they'd do? Check here: theyworkforyou.com/

  • Crazy- they decided I was labour!!

  • Well mine came out labour which didn't surprise me but it doesn't take into account that Corbyn is not someone I can vote for!

  • Remember you're not voting for one person, your voting for the party, the policies. This is a government *party* not King of the Jungle. Not voting based on your policy choices (as per the links) means defacto greater chance of the other side getting in. It's the outcome you're after which is important.

    You might also find "They Work for You" site useful, it shows you what a particular candidate voted for (as opposed to tells the media they will/did vote for) and is a non-party factual record from the parliament recorder (Hansard) so not swayed by party bias.

    Whose policies are closest to yours? whoshouldyouvotefor.com

    If you want to vote tactically you might find this helpful: tactical2017.com

    Did politicians do what they said they'd do? Check here: theyworkforyou.com/

  • Hi

    Bit confused. Is this a direct reply to me? or General

    Advice to all??

  • Hi Eiram50,

    I think I posted something similar to both you and Cathy777. I have heard a lot of people talk about agreeing with all the policies of Labour, but distrusting Corbyn as a person. Whilst I do trust him, and personally feel the mistrust is due to the vast amount of efforts put in to discredit him (he will curb their very easy lifestyle) I appreciate people have a range of reasons for their feelings. But if you look at the links you'll see which party closely aligns to your beliefs. If you look at the theyworkforyou.com you will see who voted in the way you want them to (if that really is the sticking point).

    More than all that, I suggest better to vote for the one who says they'll do things you like, and might not get it all done; over someone who plans to do things you don't like, in the hope they won't get it all done.

    Good luck :-) Zoe x

  • Hi Zoe

    Thanks for the good advice. However, I have no doubts in relation to which party I will be voting for . I did the little test thing for entertainment value only.

    Marie

  • Remember you're not voting for one person, your voting for the party, the policies. This is a government *party* not King of the Jungle. Not voting based on your policy choices (as per the links) means defacto greater chance of the other side getting in. It's the outcome you're after which is important.

    You might also find "They Work for You" site useful, it shows you what a particular candidate voted for (as opposed to tells the media they will/did vote for) and is a non-party factual record from the parliament recorder (Hansard) so not swayed by party bias.

    Whose policies are closest to yours? whoshouldyouvotefor.com

    If you want to vote tactically you might find this helpful: tactical2017.com

    Did politicians do what they said they'd do? Check here: theyworkforyou.com/

  • I took the quiz & I got the Labour Party. I don't live in the Uk , but it looks like the problems you have are worldwide.

  • It is good that we can discuss this calmly. Everyone has choice and for whatever reason .will vote for who they want .

    I am old enough to remember the thatcher days .she like all tories are only interested in people in the upper bracket.

    Look at the comment yesterday thatno.one should have to use all their assets from the sale of their house if they have to go into a care home .sounds good

    But said we should use the first 75000.

    Thats most of a poor persons money and a drop in the ocean to the wealthy.

    Should be 75%across the board to make it fair.but no the poor person will be hit hardest.

    How anyone in their right minds can say thats fair is dimented.and don.t get me started on disability benefits.

    But at the end of the day everyone has a choice . Don.t listen to the papers .make your own choice .how in this day and age .kids are starving and people have to go to food banks.makes me cry had it hard in the 50.s and 60.s shouldn.t happen now .

    You.ll be thankfull thats my last rant. Love you all xx

  • Errrm. Hate to point this out but the 60s that you refer to how hard it was, there was a labour government! I remember those good old days of inneficient (nationalised) public services and utilities,, constant strikes and rampant inflation πŸ˜‰

  • Was not talking about who was in love .was talking about.how life in 2017 should not be as bad as life was then regardless of who was in there was still work houses then .but who ever is in now we don.t go back in time .foodbanks should not happen .and thats the difference some people are all self self .

    This is 2017 this should not happen stand up and be counted .

    Unless of course .

    "I.m all right jack syndrome "

    If the cap fits .

  • The last work house closed in 1930 when the system was abolished πŸ˜‰. And yes, it is good we can all discuss this issue calmly and rationally πŸ˜‚

  • Yes work houses have not been around in my life time. I think we have selective memories some times. I know there are always problems with whoever and whenever any party is in. But I do think the world has never been as dangerous as it is now. Corbyn cannot cope with that.

  • Sory love i spent 2 years in a workhouse in the 50.s with my poor mum and it was the worst time of my life .but wirse fir my mum .please don.t talk about what you don.t know.as i said earlier today believe only half of what you see and none of what you read .but thank you for the reply.

  • Apologies Keeta. That is news to me. That is horrendous. I read a lot of Dickens and work houses were things that you read about but think it was back then. You have taught me to not talk about things I don't know enough about. X

  • No apologies needed love.lost our dad and things got really bad but we got over it. Just making a point.i could cry when i see bad things happening today.and i am so glad my grandchildren and great grandsons are happy and well fed.but i do worry about people like us who are vulnerable and sometimes need help without jumping through hoops.

    Thank you my love x

  • Please don't think I was denigrating what you went through. My family were from Hull and Grimsby fishing community. Dad had to come South after the war to find work in the railways as his past employer wouldn't give him his job back. So believeme I have a great oral. historyof social deprivation form my parents. So I was brought up as a labour supporter through and through. I am lucky in that thanks to a good grammar school education and a good job, I have, in some small way, been able to help those less able mainly through social housing. Rising to board chairman of a social housing society.and ok, I have a good lifestyle and income. Including having privatehealth insurance. Which, let's face it, frees up an NHS space! So no. It's not I'm alright jack. And does the cap fit now? Best wishes anyway and stay well. Xx

  • I think we just always assume the grass is greener.... Whoever gets in we will wish the other ones were instead! Same when you look back you feel it was better then.....

  • And I remember how Labour introduced such high unemployment Benefits that meant you got more to stay home than you got working.....now there is not enough in the bank to give decent disability Benefits to people who GENUINELY CAN't work.

    Australia had ( don't know if it's still in place) a scheme whereby you got full unemployment pay for X months.....you then HAD to take a job....if it paid less than unemployment .....it was topped up. Not surprisingly unemployment dropped & there was money for genuine claimants.

    Any party who suggested that would get my vote.

  • If there's money for banquets for the politicians and unreasonable expenses, there's money for free hot meal for kids in school. If there's money for the organisational tax cuts (Starbucks, Amazon, Boots, Google etc etc) and for the highest 5%, then there's money for genuinely needed benefits (and remember that falsely claimed benefits are massively exaggerated by the press, which is run by billionaires wanting to protect their ability to register main-home and their businesses off-shore so they're also not paying taxes...)

    So there genuinely *is* money available for the needy, if distributed to those in need than those in power x

  • Your right this country is a disgrace. The tories are hitting the youngster too. God help us

  • Oh God, not another election....with what happened in France & USA....and now the Gong show in the USA.....please be smart with your vote, don't be fooled.... I'm glad our vote (Canada) happened before all this chaos and meddling from outside forces.

  • Yes its all quite farcical but serious at same time. I think outside influences can happen anywhere now with all this cyber stuff going on. I don't want to vote just on the basis of what will suit me. Its hard.

  • Yes, outside influences have happened since the begining of government. USA being a major country who influenced many countries elections over the last 100 years or so.

    I hate to admit it, but that's the reason I had a "get what you asked for" attitude when Trump was elected and I enjoyed a good laugh. Well now it is serious and not funny to me anymore.

    uhm....Correct me if I'm wrong, But voting for what is good for you & good for the nation should be the samething. Isn't that what your vote is for?

  • Yes I see what you say.

    I mean that my biggest problems are health related so I can see that is why I should vote for whoever will help me. But this sometimes conflicts with other issues that I don't like about that same party.

  • I totally understand.

    "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" is my favorite saying. That's why I like the 2 party system. The party not in power tries to keep the other party "honest"

    I guess that's all I hope for anyways

  • I would like to see even more parties, and proportional representation... but that more reasonable system brings it's own problems too! :-/

  • What was it the initial post stated? ' I know we shouldn't talk about politics on here but' Now look at what's happened! Not that we are talking about politics here of course. Just expressing our views about society πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

  • Yes! But healthy debate is good. We are all well behaved on here!

  • Lol. So far! 😳

  • Heartfelt plea!! Only tactical voting will work this time. Use VOTE SMART progressivealliance.org.uk/... to find out the best voting option in your constituency. Stress is bad for our health.

  • Don't trust any of the parties to help disabled people. Labour introduced ESA in 2008, Conservatives Coalition introduced PIP.

  • Yes I thought labour had done something against disabled. They all do. The b*******! I still think communism is the right way but there has just never been a leader who wasn't either corrupt or a power freak. Or a monster like Stalin.

  • I agree! If it was possible to have a rotation of power within the communist model that would be ace! As someone quoted above "absolute power corrupts abolutely"!! So true, humans are the problem, not the political system! Ha! ;-)

  • Yes I truly believe that.

  • Disenchanted by unavailability of proportional representation in the UK I take great pleasure in checking the expenses of local MPs on-line. I'm contemplating asking one for his explanation for claiming for a TV licence, as I've another year to go before I'm eligible to get mine free!

    Seriously, as disenfranchised in a wealthy constituency, I weigh up the calibre of all the candidates in the forlorn hope of unseating the former incumbent!

  • Yep we just go round in circles really. As soon as they are in we want them out!

  • That's great! What link do you use? Do you ever email them after and ask "what was this all about, eh?!" I think I would enjoy doing that :-)

  • Ipsa.org.uk

    Select your MP and compare expenses with others. I found another, in the opposition, also claiming for a TV licence for their office. If that is not acceptable in business, why should it be acceptable in Government? I don 't begrudge a TV but surely no MP under 75 should get an office licence paid? Or am I missing the point?

    Like the winter fuel allowance, there's no guarantee that over-75s will continue to enjoy the licence privilege indefinitely, having regard to an ever- increasing aged population and the inability of an increasing number of youngsters to set up an independent home requiring their TV fees.

  • What people are forgetting is we are not voting for May or Corbyn - we are voting for Conservative or Labour. Dont let the personality of tbe leader put you iff. It the policies to sway you one way or another. However I know ifs difficult because they all lie and dont follow thro with their promises.

    But all in all I will be voting Labour because Ive never known the country ti be such a mess as it is today. Im 67 so no spring chicken and have witnessed the political history of this country.

  • Unfortunately that's true Β―\_(ツ)_/Β― but there is a great divide between north and south. Pre-1974 Local Government Reorganisation, I worked within a Rural District Council where several Independent members did not claim expenses .....

  • Well said i.m your age and totally agree .we have experienced the thatcher years.and for someone as hated as that women years later .speaks for itself .

    Thank you someone who cares about everyone not just themselves .x

  • Margaret Thatcher: 'Milk Snatcher'

    Theresa May: Aged/infirm have had their day!

  • PS. Mays canvasing bus had her name plastered in large lettering on the side then "Conservative" in very smal writing at the bottom - giving the impression that people would be voting for HER !

    Corby's bus had vote LABOUR prominantly displayed.

    Now that explains a lot ! I wouldnt trust her & I hope she doesnt get in.

  • I agree

  • Conservatives are the party of millionaires, funded by millionaires with millionaire connections in bankers, media and corporations.

    Jeremy wants what best for us and for millionaires to pay their fair share. They'll use their power at every turn to stop him. They are scared.

    Millionaire newspaper owners and shareholders want you to believe Corbyn is dangerous and May is strong.

    Millionaires want the NHS privatised so they can bid for contracts. They don't want an increased minimum wage to eat into their profits....

    It's more of a class war election than I've ever seen. Don't let millionaires tell you what to think. Vote for the man who for decades had been working hard for the working man - Corbyn.

    May won't even take part in a leader's debate. That's weak. The Tory 7 year term in office is indefensible.

  • Thank you .well said x

  • I have come to the conclusion that the Green Party have the most 'Disability Friendly policies' so I'm going Great Party?

    Hx

  • Green apologies typos

  • But I cannot vote for someone just because it suits my situation. I would rather abstain. That is not such a bad thing in my opinion. If you have equally obnoxious leaders then its wrong to vote for any of them. Imagine having to choose between Hitler, Stalin or Gadaffi! I would abstain! I am waffling.

  • Please Kathy777 dont waste your vote. X

  • No I won't waste it. But after the ITV debate on TV last night when May or Corbyn did not feel it worth turning up I am certain I will not be voting for either of them. It was the last straw for me. I don't want them.

  • Corbyn has said he will.at any time .but she is too scared to face him as she false .she could not answer that lady in the street the other day .never mind corbyn .

  • A vote for any party other than Labour will allow the conservatives back into government and we stand a very good chance of losing the NHS. This reason alone is enough for me. Our defence in this country relies on the fitness and morale of our young working men. Anyone who has to rely on food from food banks is not going to be very well nourished and will be mentally destroyed no doubt. #JC4PM.

  • But I cannot resort to tactical voting as it makes a mockery of the whole system. I will not vote labour or conservative. I have absolutely no faith in either.

  • All games in life are tactical. Things you do every day in your life is tactics. And Business men, politians, police, investigators, interviewers all apply tactics to get the outcome what they desire.

  • You are right. :-(

  • All through this debate you have changed your mind and have agreed with everyone..you really need to read .open your mind .and not be hogwashed .one party no matter who is in the driving seat. Will look after the rich and the other will look after the poor.and there are lots of other things in between that they will both lie about and the press will print to sway you .but that is it in a nutshell

  • I have changed my mind. I admitted I was totally confused that's why I started this! I was hoping for something that would unconfuse me but not to be. I am still unsure. But I will vote. There is a lot to be confused about. I wish I could vote labour as I have all my life but I just don't feel right about Corbyn.

  • At the end of the day love. You will vote for the party you believe in your heart is the right one to vote for.don.t listen to the press .

    they tell lies .grown ups all know that.

    Again i will say you are not voting for the person .that can change.

    Vote for what they stand for.

    And if that is looking after the rich .the banks .taking food off school children .etc then its easy .

    If its looking after the poor .the schools the hospitals

    .i hope may has the guts to face him .because you may see who the honest person is.she stammers stutters and won.t answer important questions. She.s just a puppet

  • Yes there are still a few weeks to go and I will hope I make the right decision based on what happens until then. X

  • Choosing not to vote will essentially be a vote for conservatives. Sadly it is unlikely for the labour party to win, but a vote for labour if you are in England may at least undermine the tory majority. A landslide majority/ one party state for the tories will be disastrous for most people of this country, such as that of thatcher era. The track record of the current government is to victimise the poor, disabled and children. I have witnessed first hand the devastating impact of this. The next target according to their manifesto will be the elderly. All these groups are the least powerful in society. Also, the likely dismantling of the NHS is a huge issue for everyone, and I have no doubt, a serious concern for everyone on this thread.

  • Well its a matter of voting for the lesser of two evils I guess!

  • It's hard if neither option sitting comfortably for you. I admire you being so thoughtful about it and opening up debate, as is such an important decision. For what it's worth, I think that Corbyn actually has a pretty good value base and intention. He has been the subject of pretty strong vilification and bias against him from the press, so it is always good to think critically and read widely. Good luck with your decision.

  • Thanks :-)

  • Well said x

  • Cathy, Whatever you do, please don't opt out, your vote matters more than it has ever done. If you can't decide on the personality then vote on the policies you like the sound of best. Happy voting. xx

  • Yes I will vote. Whilst I have no confidence in corbyn I am finding the alternative increasingly unattractive and I may have made a decision at last.

  • I have strong views on this subject, but the most important thing to do is work out what's best for you. And then to do all you possibly can to make sure you do vote. And whilst I'm trying desperately not to tell you who to vote *for* I can't not ask you please *don't* to vote Tory, as you've said, they have actual laid out plans to screw over the disabled (and poor, and children etc).

    In a non-biased way I propose two links:

    Find out which party most closely agrees with your morals/principles -

    whoshouldyouvotefor.com

    If you want to vote tactically you might find this helpful -

    tactical2017.com

  • I have made my decision. The last few days have unnerved me. I am shocked at what has been said and would not vote for May now.

  • If you know why the hell have you, this isn't a political forum!

  • You really don't need to read what you don't want to read. This site is a friendly forum for more than just talking about illness. I think politics is very much related to illness of all kinds at this time. X

  • I want a box on the voting slip that reads " none of the above " .

  • Yes it has got to that now. Its like trying to decide who is the less dangerous and they all are!

  • Don't look at personel reasons , (not liking either candidate). Look at their policy's .

  • Yes I have decided now. But I really don't like policies in any of the parties!

  • I think May shot herself in the foot!

  • Here's another interesting website, if you've ever considered tactical voting...

    buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/ta...

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