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Hi groovy runners!!

How's it going with the training? Is it hot where you are? Tell us all!

โ˜… VIRTUAL 10K RUN AUGUST 17TH - 23RD

LET US KNOW in the comments if you are planning to join in with the next virtual run - our first 10K! Please add a separate comment, it's much easier to spot ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š

The Virtual 5K is ongoing this week - check out the POM POM post if you haven't already!

healthunlocked.com/marathon....

โ˜… FOOD NEWS

How is it going with the food experimenting?

Gels: I think I may have given some of you the impression that gels are necessary for running a half marathon - GELS ARE NOT NECESSARY!!! They are convenient, and some people like them, some don't.

โ˜… EATING FOR RECOVERY

Recovery is a vital part of any training plan, and what you eat after a hard workout is important! After a really long run I like to have a cup of cocoa in the bath, it's got some protein and carbohydrate to give my cells a boost, and it's tasty! In days of yore I would always make sure I had a bottle of chocolate milk in my bag-drop bag to drink after a race - it's easy to get down after hard effort ๐Ÿ˜Š I also like to plan my long runs so that I am going to be eating lunch after my run.

โ˜… What do you like to eat after your long run? Share your tips!!

Happy training, eating, and recovering!!

roseabi & linda9389 xxx

August 11th, 2020

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Letโ€™s get to know each other and a word about training plans: healthunlocked.com/marathon....

Admin and experimenting with food: healthunlocked.com/marathon...

Getting the most out of your training & Strava Club: healthunlocked.com/marathon...

Loomergencies and other tummy troubles: healthunlocked.com/marathon...

The Long Run: healthunlocked.com/marathon...

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Some dates, gel gossip, and Jeff's dirty tricks! healthunlocked.com/marathon...

Injury prevention: healthunlocked.com/marathon...

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Katnap profile image
KatnapMarathon

I use SIS RE-GO. It's like a banana flavoured milk shake. It goes down far too quickly!

๐Ÿฑ Katnap ๐Ÿฑ

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toKatnap

That sounds lovely!

Windoze profile image
WindozeHalf Marathonโ€ข in reply toKatnap

๐Ÿคข๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ orange or lemon SiS...

Katnap profile image
KatnapMarathonโ€ข in reply toWindoze

I find the gels not as yummy... if not, unpleasant. I don't like the insulin spike after a gel so instead of downing them I take little sips.

If you think SIS gels are unpleasant, try Kendall Mint and chocolate flavour. I have some if you dare to try! Go on! I double dare you!

RunBrianRun profile image
RunBrianRunHalf Marathonโ€ข in reply toKatnap

I have those Kendal mint and chocolate flavour gels. They are truly disgusting ๐Ÿคข๐Ÿคฎ and they are liquid too so drip everywhere. Yuck.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toRunBrianRun

Me too, I think they're horrid! Kendal Mint Cake itself is good though ๐Ÿ˜Š

Katnap profile image
KatnapMarathonโ€ข in reply toRunBrianRun

The gels ARE like eating toothpaste after eating chocolate.

O505k profile image
O505kHalf Marathon

I plan to run the virtual 10k next week.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toO505k

You're on the list! xx

O505k profile image
O505kHalf Marathon

Training is going OK, now in week 2 of my HM plan and I am being sensible sticking to what the plan says (no extra Ks added on). This morning was a 4K tempo run, it was ๐Ÿฅต even at 6:30. Not so sunny today but very very humid.

Take care and happy ๐Ÿƒ๐Ÿฝโ€โ™€๏ธ.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toO505k

Well done!!

Irishprincess profile image
IrishprincessAdministratorHalf Marathon

My home made chocolate milk for me ๐Ÿ˜‹(cocoa powder, milk and a bit of cinnamon) I read that CM is the best post-run food for runners as it contains everything we need and it gets straight into our system quickly.

I canโ€™t eat a lot immediately after a long run and end up eating little and often which seems to suit me fine.

I seem to have gone rogue with my HM plan and hope to do the distance this month. But the heat is a killer ๐Ÿฅต so who knows? It might be Christmas at this rate....๐Ÿ™„

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toIrishprincess

I've seen your chocolate milk recipe before IP, and I'm curious - do you really put no sugar in it?

Let's hope it cools down a bit, but you can do it!!!

Irishprincess profile image
IrishprincessAdministratorHalf Marathonโ€ข in reply toroseabi

No sugar. I found the recipe years ago somewhere and it was specifically for runners. The only thing Iโ€™ve added is the cinnamon, the original recipe suggested vanilla but I thought cinnamon would at least do a little good ๐Ÿ˜‡

If Iโ€™m particular knackered Iโ€™ll add half a banana to it ๐Ÿ™‚

Iโ€™ve wimped out of this morningโ€™s run as it was just too sticky for me and I had about an hourโ€™s sleep last night, like most of the country I imagine. Tomorrow is supposed to be cooler so Iโ€™ll go then ๐Ÿ™‚

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toIrishprincess

I don't blame you, you must be knackered!! xxx

Irishprincess profile image
IrishprincessAdministratorHalf Marathonโ€ข in reply toroseabi

๐Ÿ˜ด ๐Ÿ˜ด

Kiwipie profile image
KiwipieHalf Marathon

Iโ€™ve had enough of the heat, day four of 30 degree + and Wednesday even hotter! Finally succumbed and bought a fan having spent the last few nights sleeping on the balcony and waking to a 5 oโ€™clock dawn chorus.

Been getting out there, running more frequently, but shorter runs and trying to keep to HRZ2 taking hydration even on 5k. Noticeably less runners on my routes.

1hr 26m run this morning so Tailwind Recovery, chocolate flavour, when I got home, I find it difficult to eat when Iโ€™ve finished a long run so this works well for me.

Virtual 5k planned for the weekend when hopefully itโ€™s a bit cooler, not expecting a PB! ๐Ÿ˜‚ Did read somewhere that running in the heat is equivalent to a poor mans altitude training, not so sure about that.....

Good luck to everyone running the V5K and hope youโ€™re all finding a way to cope in the heat. ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™€๏ธ

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toKiwipie

Running in the heat does give your cardiovascular system a good workout, so with care it's worthwhile! Good luck with your 5k xx

Kiwipie profile image
KiwipieHalf Marathon

I plan to run the virtual 10k next week.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toKiwipie

Noted! xx

TailChaser profile image
TailChaserMarathon

Yes, I fully intend to do the 10k next week. I have a dodgy ankle that I am resting as much as Iโ€™m capable of doing this week, so only doing little runs until then.

When it comes to nutrition, Iโ€™m currently omitting wheat from my diet. I donโ€™t know what it will do to my energy levels but thereโ€™s plenty of carbs in other things. Iโ€™ve been bloating, sneezing after meals and my weight has just been going up for no obvious reason. Iโ€™m now 3 days in and all these symptoms seem to be easing. I also noticed my feet not swelling as much in the heat. NHS recommends 4 weeks then re-introducing, so weโ€™ll see but it looks promising. As a keen baker it is going to be tricky!

Happy running all ๐Ÿ‘

RunBrianRun profile image
RunBrianRunHalf Marathonโ€ข in reply toTailChaser

Ooo. Iโ€™ve started dropping wheat from my diet too and Iโ€™ve already noticed a difference. Iโ€™m not bloating at all now and have stopped the rennies altogether. Iโ€™m losing weight but I reckon thatโ€™s because Iโ€™m avoiding pastries ๐Ÿ˜‚

Please count me in for the 10k.

TailChaser profile image
TailChaserMarathonโ€ข in reply toRunBrianRun

Good to know Brian. I donโ€™t know how long I can eat rice cakes for but it certainly seems worth it so far ๐Ÿ‘

Oldfloss profile image
OldflossAdministratorโ€ข in reply toTailChaser

Great with almond butter on :) Small runner in training loves that!

TailChaser profile image
TailChaserMarathonโ€ข in reply toOldfloss

Yes! Iโ€™ve got some peanut butter, that should give them a bit more oomph. ๐Ÿ˜‹

I also got some rye bread that looks quite interesting and should be a bit more filling.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toTailChaser

Noted! xx

Do you replace the wheat with something else?

TailChaser profile image
TailChaserMarathonโ€ข in reply toroseabi

Iโ€™ve been eating a lot of rice based food: brown rice, Rice Krispies, rice cakes etc and Iโ€™ve got some gluten free crumpets coming in my shop. Probably start eating more corn based food as well: the pasta Iโ€™ve ordered is corn based.

3.5lbs lost since Sunday and no bloating so far ๐Ÿ‘x

cheekychipmunks profile image
cheekychipmunksHalf Marathon

Yes please roseabi , Iโ€™m up for the 10k next week! ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿƒโ€โ™€๏ธ

Iโ€™m being a wuss and extending my cut back week to almost 2! I enjoyed my 7k run on Sunday even though it was humid, but I swear itโ€™s even hotter now, so Iโ€™ll do (Not) PR at some point this week, and maybe a simple bimble around the Common. Donโ€™t fancy 17k or major hills thanks! ๐Ÿฅต๐Ÿฅต

Pretty much anything for me post-run, but Iโ€™ve taken to banana sandwiches (mashed, not sliced) on whole meal bread. Yum. ๐Ÿ˜‹

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply tocheekychipmunks

Noted! xx

I don't blame you for avoiding the heat! It'll be gone soon enough. Mmmm banana ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š

cheekychipmunks profile image
cheekychipmunksHalf Marathonโ€ข in reply toroseabi

Thank you! ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿƒโ€โ™€๏ธ

I ran this morning, absolutely not avoiding the heat/humidity and ended up doing 10 super slow kilometres! Dare I say I rather enjoyed it? ๐Ÿ˜ณ

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply tocheekychipmunks

Awesome!!

Windoze profile image
WindozeHalf Marathonโ€ข in reply tocheekychipmunks

Nanna sannies ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ

Guinea70 profile image
Guinea70Marathon

please count me in for the 10k next week too :D

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toGuinea70

Noted! xx

Guinea70 profile image
Guinea70Marathon

We had a cluster of thunderstorms yesterday but it was still a bit humid when I went out this morning. I've also been coping with a dodgy ankle/foot recently which seems alot better now thankfully, it's made me very aware of everything though when I'm out which is good I suppose because I don't want to have problems again now that I'm slowly trying to build up my distance again.

Chocolate milk after a longer run sounds delicious I'm going to try that :D

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toGuinea70

Glad to hear you're foot's feeling better! xxx

Kevin41 profile image
Kevin41Half Marathon

Definitely joining the virtual 10k next week thanks. Really helpful comments and I love that I now have a great excuse for stocking up on chocolate milk!!

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toKevin41

Noted! xx

RunSkippyRun profile image
RunSkippyRunHalf Marathon

I plan to run the virtual 10K next week

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toRunSkippyRun

Noted! xx

RunSkippyRun profile image
RunSkippyRunHalf Marathon

Food after a run is not the easiest thing to contemplate - need to leave at least 30 mins to an hour - but I like the chocolate milk idea - nice combination of yum and coolness.

Recovery foods for me are not that different to day-to-day diet but I'll eat more and probably add a slice of dundee cake / ginger cake in at some point. Not really much protein in that but I'm not sure what the theory is here.

And afer an evening training session (less time/inclination to cook) there can be a weekly trip to get fish and chips. Might be a bit hot tonight though (doing a run-walk session).

I'm concious of slipping off the training schedule a bit - I'm not going to force things too hard but aiming to a few K past the 10k mark soon. But I figure that staying fit and injury-free matters more at the moment than distance (my target HM is late November)

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toRunSkippyRun

Ginger cake, yummmmm!!!!

That sounds very wise, well done xxx

David_G profile image
David_GMetric Marathon

Hi Roseabi, all is going well with my training so far, but I'm getting a bit fed up with not being able to sleep properly at night in the heat and humidity.

I'm aiming to do my virtual 10K on Wednesday 19 August if all goes to plan. Alternatively I could go out on Saturday 22 August (my 57th birthday!) but I'll be travelling to Weymouth that day so time might be a bit tight.

I got some of the Torq gel and I've used it once on a longer run. I'm not sure I really needed it to be honest but I will use it again in future when I feel the need.

As for post-run eats, I like to have a chocolate milk soon after finishing. After that I have been known to devour anything in the fridge that takes my fancy!

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toDavid_G

Did you like the taste of the gel?

David_G profile image
David_GMetric Marathonโ€ข in reply toroseabi

Yes, it was different to what I was expecting somehow๐Ÿ˜ณ

I couldnโ€™t tell you what I was expecting though!๐Ÿคฃ I had the orange and banana flavour. Not sure which Iโ€™ll try next time, so watch this space.๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ‘

Stephen_UK profile image
Stephen_UKHalf Marathon

Hi Roseabi. Iโ€™d like to run the virtual 10k next week too, please.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toStephen_UK

Noted! xx

Run46 profile image
Run46Half Marathon

I won't make the virtual 10K as all going well (and praying for cooler weather and rain๐Ÿคž) it's my 12 mile run this weekend so next week is my ease back week.

Thanks for the chocolate milk reminder, I still haven't tried it but it sounds like a plan๐Ÿค—

I usually have a sports drink and banana or mini malt loaf straight after a long run...then scrambled eggs and a bagel, occasionally with bacon after my stretching and shower, yum ๐Ÿ˜‹

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toRun46

Choccy milk has never been something I would normally consume, I don't really like milk! I can't remember when I first came to try it, but it's fab ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š

annettebrown profile image
annettebrownHalf Marathon

Hi Rosabi , count me in for the 10K please. I did my 5K today but not sure where we post the results ๐Ÿ˜€. (Sorry) Also, please remind me how you upload photos in these replies as I canโ€™t see how it can be done. ๐Ÿ˜€Thank you in advance.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toannettebrown

It is not possible to upload photos in replies. You do not have to show us proof of your run, but we'd love to see a post from you about it, if you'd like to write one! xxx

Beachcomber66 profile image
Beachcomber66AdministratorHalf Marathon

So flat white and triple chocolate brownie is a given when the cafe is open....even after 3k trot. I have elevated that to tradition status!!

Hi Protein Yoghurt with extra honey is my go to after decent run food. Steak the night before helps too; not for everyone I know.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toBeachcomber66

It's definitely an individual thing xx

annettebrown profile image
annettebrownHalf Marathon

To avoid the heat I set my alarm super early and did my 5k run , a pre-work run (never done that before) I left home at 5.30 am and had the streets to myself for a while which was really rather nice . I ended up doing 5.11km (time 33.16) I remember Strava saying 32.52 I think at the 5K mark. Not my quickest but pleased with it.

Please put me on the list for 10k next week.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toannettebrown

Fabulous!

I have added you to my list xx

Lynnys74r profile image
Lynnys74rHalf Marathon

Iโ€™ll be doing the 10k next week all going well. Planning to do the 5k tomorrow!

I eat around an hour after a long run and normally have lots of protein with bacon and egg. Not sure itโ€™s the best choice but itโ€™s what I enjoy! I fuel beforehand with protein shake or oats yogurt and fruit.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toLynnys74r

Noted! xx

What you enjoy is a great choice ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š

OnlineTwin profile image
OnlineTwinHalf Marathon

Hi, Iโ€™m up for the 10k next week.

Hopefully itโ€™ll be rather cooler. I remember reading somewhere that your pace will slow by about 2-3 seconds per km for every 1 degree above 15C, so Iโ€™m hoping for a better 10k time than Iโ€™ve managed recently. On the other hand, I wonโ€™t have any excuse!

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toOnlineTwin

Noted! xx

Lol, we'll just have to see what happens!

linda9389 profile image
linda9389AdministratorMarathon

I'm another one who really appreciates a chocolate milk after a hard or long run. Not just any chocolate milk though, I have to have something fairly natural (I like the sound of your recipe Irishprincess but I only ever buy skimmed milk so it would be much lighter than what I buy). I seem super sensitive to 'after-tastes' and feeling slightly nauseous after a big effort, and haven't found a recovery product that works for me. I may have an extra glass of water with SIS electrolyte tablets, always a cold chocolate milk and most often poached eggs on toast (except after away from home races when a roast dinner at the pub has gone down well)!

I think I will cheer from the sidelines for next week's 10k - I wish everyone taking part a great v10k!

Irishprincess profile image
IrishprincessAdministratorHalf Marathonโ€ข in reply tolinda9389

You could try it with almond milk? I tried that once and it tasted quite nice ๐Ÿ˜‹

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply tolinda9389

Mmmmm roast dinner... ๐Ÿ˜‹

Dexy5 profile image
Dexy510 Miles

Iโ€™ll opt out of the 10k this time Roseabi as Iโ€™m going to build myself up again slowly in physioโ€™s advice.

Lots of exercises to do each day now.

The New Forest run is officially off in September but waiting for advice on approved alternatives. TBH I probably wouldnโ€™t have made it to 10k after the Achillesโ€™ tendon problems, so no pressure now.

Love a cappuccino after any run if Iโ€™m in close proximity. After 10 miles we wolfed down pizzas, not sure if it was good for us but certainly welcome. I will try chocolate milk if I get to long distance again.

No sea breezes over the last few days , lacking sleep but drinking lots of water. ๐Ÿฅต

Sandie1961 profile image
Sandie1961Half Marathonโ€ข in reply toDexy5

Shame about the New Forest, but if it gives you longer to get back to full fitness, maybe a silver lining.

Those pizzas were sooo good though ๐Ÿ˜‹๐Ÿ•

Dexy5 profile image
Dexy510 Milesโ€ข in reply toSandie1961

They were Sandie, and just what we needed as it cooked in the time it took you to shower.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toDexy5

Pizza is my go-to for the night before a race, it doesn't disagree with me and is my husband's favourite food - win win ๐Ÿ˜

It is disappointing but nice not to have the pressure xxx

Dexy5 profile image
Dexy510 Milesโ€ข in reply toroseabi

Yes I was thinking Iโ€™d have to drop to the 5k race but now I can wait to see what they are hoping to plan instead.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon

I posted this in a big hurry yesterday, so I'll just add - I loveeeeeeeeeeeeee fish n chips after a marathon!!!!!!!!!

Also, I did my little swim-run today before breakfast, and my bowl of granola tasted absolutely gorgeous afterwards ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š

Nevvy profile image
NevvyMarathon

yes please to 10k. My HM training has gone a bit wobbly in the heat but I am trying to stick to 2 short runs and one longer one per week - currently up to 6 miles in a long run so ok with that. Joined a Garmin badge challenge for cycling and I'm really enjoying that, got to cover 240k in August, further than I've ever done before but if my runs are shorter I should manage it!

Choccy milk for me....just made with a couple of spoons instant hot choc powder shaken into cold milk, but as I'm reducing sugar I might try with cocoa powder and cinnamon instead.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toNevvy

Noted xx

Oldfloss profile image
OldflossAdministrator

10K next week definitely!

You know me and food.. I just eat what I eat...but favourite after a long run... smashed avocado on toast , homemade bread though... or very favourite... scrambled egg with smoked salmon chopped into it :)

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathonโ€ข in reply toOldfloss

Noted xx

Nutritious stuff!

PurpleFish59 profile image
PurpleFish59

Another vote for chocolate milk here! My favourite is the oatly chocolate oat milk. Think Iโ€™ll skip the 10k next week as Iโ€™ll be doing my longest run to date next weekend so donโ€™t want to up mileage too much. Best of luck to everyone else though!

Windoze profile image
WindozeHalf Marathon

Orange or Lemon SiS gels on s HM.

Recovery food is pretty much anything the girlfriend has in the cupboard or has freshly baked on the morning. ๐Ÿ™‚

Onto week 3 of 12 wk plan. 1st phase base milage build up. Was already ahead of plan on normal weekly milage so just tweaked it a little.

Got Draycote Water 10k booked (real race whoop!) for my 10k race midway through plan.

Happy running peeps

RunBrianRun profile image
RunBrianRunHalf Marathon

I started taking SiS gels half an hour before my long runs. Iโ€™m not sure they help or not as I always seem to have bad days and good days. Iโ€™ve never paid attention to eating after a run other than a bigger dinner as Iโ€™m usually starving by then ๐Ÿ˜‚ Iโ€™ve heard that protein shakes might be good to slow up muscle atrophy so I might give that a go if I can be arsed to make it ๐Ÿ˜‚

Count me in for the 10k please Abi.

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