Can you get Muscle aches on a gluten diet for a week please? Thanks

[Persevere99]

Hi

I have been gluten free for 6 years now.

Have just come back from a great trekking Hol in Spain with my mates and now my muscles are very achy. I was unable to stick to a GF diet.

I would like to know if this is due to not being able to have my usual GF diet please?

Thanks

Persevere99

[Researchfan]

Hi Persevere99.

Quite possibly, as gluten sensitivity can cause all sorts of symptoms including muscle and neurological pain.

It could also be a combination if you’ve been trekking as Post-onset muscle fatigue is quite common. Should get better within a few weeks if you return to your normal routine and diet.

🙂💪

[Persevere99 in reply to Researchfan]

Hi

Thanks for your input Research fan

I’ll get back with a full reply after work

[Persevere99 in reply to Researchfan]

Hi research fan

Never been diagnosed coeliac, but thought no harm in trying 6 years ago, to see if it had health benefits.

The more I read about this gluten topic, the more complicated it gets. I have used Sainsburys gluten free porridge since I turned GF in 19. However, now I read that even GF oats should be avoided?

I went vegan over 30 years ago for the benefit of all who share this planet. And will never go back to meat, eggs or milk.

The 7 days trekking in Spain saw me taking any cereal I could get from the stores we came across. And slowly, became very achy - definitely not from the trekking.

From today, I’ve stopped the GF porridge and will see how it goes in a week or so. I have also been using GF Berry Granola from Sainsburys, which contains oats, and will pause that from tomorrow as well.

So, the plan is to keep on the GF diet plus take out all oats and see how I do in a week or so. I will update then.

Thanks for your input

Persevere

[Rosepetal60 in reply to Persevere99]

Oats contain Avenin which is described as a protein. I feel my system can’t tolerate it, but occasionally I can risk 1, maybe 2 GF thin oatcakes, But usually avoid oats because of it having Avenin in.

[Persevere99 in reply to Rosepetal60]

Thanks rosepetal for your tips re avoiding items containing avenin, which is possibly another myalgic ingredient to avoid.

I will cut out all oats, even GF oats, for a week and see how it goes and post an update next weekend.

Thanks

Persevere

[Persevere99 in reply to Rosepetal60]

Hi rose petal 60

I’ve continued with the GF diet minus GF Oats all week and have to report that the aches went away after about 5 days and I’m back to my usual exercise routine ok.

I’ll continue to keep away from GF oats. Thanks for suggesting I avoid GF oats.

Persevere

[Rosepetal60 in reply to Persevere99]

Hi Persevere99, Interesting and useful to know about your research. So bearing that in mind, I have now decided not to buy any more GF Oat biscuits. Or any oat bars etc. Thank you.

[Persevere99 in reply to Rosepetal60]

All the best rosepetal in your search for good health

[Researchfan in reply to Persevere99]

Welcome.

Interesting. Yes oats even gluten free certified ones can be an issue for many. The Australian coeliac guide is to avoid oats, at least for six months then test suitability. A minority of coeliacs react to the oat peptides as well as the wheat peptides - depends on which coeliac genes they have. It varies.

I gave gf oats up a while ago while going strict wheat/gluten free. I may reintroduce gf oats at some point to test them but I’m still trying to figure out. I had coeliac ruled out after over 10 years following a gluten free diet, and found out I have allergy sensitivity to wheat and brown rice, and oats allergens can cross react with other cereals.

I posted an article about oat intolerance on here before. See if I can find it again.

Yes keep us updated.

[Persevere99 in reply to Researchfan]

Hi researchfan

I’ve continued with the GF diet minus GF Oats all week and have to report that the aches went away after about 5 days and I’m back to my usual exercise routine ok.

I’ll continue to keep away from GF oats. Thanks for suggesting I avoid GF oats.

Persevere

[Researchfan in reply to Persevere99]

Thanks for the update, Persevere99.

Hope you continue to do better.

It’s interesting re gf oats. I’m yet to reintroduce as I use to associate knee pain with them! But was always skeptical. Same with dairy. Same with corn/maize. I’m not coeliac but allergic to wheat and they’re the grass family/cereals all related.

There is a research paper describing the scientific mechanism of the activation of the innate immune system reaction to oat intolerance, and the reaction in a subset of coeliac patients with the HLA DQ2.

You need a biochemistry degree to understand some of it lol.

Link, The molecular basis for oat intolerance…

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

[Persevere99 in reply to Researchfan]

Thanks for sending me the interesting research into why GF oats can still cause problems because of the avenin.

I’m like you, reading this and that, trying this and that to be healthier and keep up my exercise life style. What exercise are you into?

One item I found 2 years ago re a medication impacting on Exercise intrigued me.

And it’s this - statins are fine for non exercisers. However, not for exercisers, because if you exercise on statins, the damage to your muscles is extremely high.

Look up Sinzinger and O’Grady Athletes and Statins. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

All the best

Persevere99

[Researchfan in reply to Persevere99]

Thanks for that Persevere99! Yes statins interrupt normal metabolism in the muscles by effecting coenzyme q10. Everyone reacts or not differently. Controversial subject. My opinion there’s a place for them in high risk conditions. (I’ve had training in exercise physiology funnily enough so know a little.)

I’m into general keep fit exercise these days 👍 .

[Penel in reply to Persevere99]

The study was done on athletes with familial hypercholesterolaemia. Most of us do not have this condition.

[Tabbyme]

Probably!

[Researchfan]

Hi Persevere99.

Just wondered how you getting on and if you still avoiding gf oats?

I recently tried reintroducing gf oats. I’ve got aches and pains back and now wondering whether it’s the oats. Bloating too.

[Persevere99 in reply to Researchfan]

Hi researchfan

Thanks for getting back

I’ve been eating gf oats for a few months now, no fatigue and able to do my exercise again.

If gf oats have affected you, do consider avoiding them for a few months?

All the best

Persevere

[Researchfan in reply to Persevere99]

That’s good and thanks for reply.

Yes, will have to avoid oats again for a while.

All the best too!