Fearful of my 8.3 fibroscan score due to so many family members dying of cirrhosis

[Shantton]

Does anyone know if fibrosis continues in my liver how long approximately would a score on fibroscan of 8.3 go to cirrhosis

[fattyliver2022]

8.3 is actually a decent score. I have seen where people are in F1 and F2 stage and have stopped or reversed scarring, per their yearly fibroscan. Not sure what is causing your scarring but losing weight and eating a healthy diet (IE Mediterranean) goes a long way.

Hope this helps. Btw, my fibroscan score is a 9.6 and Wayne, who is the admin for this site said my score is still manageable. You have hope!

[Shantton in reply to fattyliver2022]

Thank you for replying I guess I just have anxiety due to family members dying of cirrhosis and seeing what they went through. I have lost 10 pounds so far and hope to lose 15 more

[fattyliver2022 in reply to Shantton]

I get it. It’s terrifying! Reach out to the community. It’s a terrific resource.

[Shelterdog in reply to fattyliver2022]

yes, there is hope! I went from 15 to 6.4 in 7 months.

[Herman7275 in reply to fattyliver2022]

I have been diagnosed 2019 with NASH fatty liver and Fibrosis F-2 &3 , & my fibroscan 9-21-22 8.9 kPa. I Have been on low carb diet and exercise and have reversed my fatty liver & some of my fibrosis. So there is a light at the end of the tunnel

[Golendoodle]

I too have lost family from cirrhosis and many have fatty livers. I have an enlarge fatty liver with moderate fibrosis. I’ve lost 25 pounds and the liver pain has gone away The Mediterranean diet is what I’m following. I’m thankful I found this group they really help and offer support.

[Shantton]

Thanks for replying I’m new on site and appreciate feedback

[Shantton in reply to Shantton]

Thanks for comments really appreciated

[Rodmail]

8.3 is fibrosis F2. Things I have read suggest it is 8 years per F stage, but that is an average and you don't know how long you've been in F2. If you've been F2 for 7 years, you're in trouble.

I went from 8.4 to 6.1 in 6 months via disciplined eating and exercise. I chatted with my liver specialist who was very clear that firstly, this was unusual and secondly, it's not unheard of. The definitive requirement is discipline.

I add to that . . . disciplined habits. Habits are much easier to follow than sitting and trying to assert resolve via nothing but will power. I found it was easy to get educated and then begin to make easy, non demanding changes to habit. Examples:

Frozen food / dinners are loaded with pasta and white rice. The very first thing you're going to attack is rice and processed wheat (which is what white bread and those pastas are). I don't know the link rules on this website so I'll describe in enough detail that you can google. Minute Brown Rice will lead you to a package of 2 small cups at 220 calories per cup. This is brown rice. This is the rice you can eat.

Similarly, whole wheat/grain bread. Brown bread. That is your bread from now on for all sandwiches.

There's lots of other stuff to do, but just those two are a major attack on the problem. They are favorable glycemic index and if you are headed for diabetes, or already there, these two changes, two easy changes, will move you away from diabetes.

Given this rice cup, and a $10 package of Tyson skinned chicken chunks (from which you can make maybe 6 meals), you have a microwave lunch that is easy, about 300 calories, and another solid step towards F1 rather than F3.

Last item. Gym or walking outside, or better, biking, 3X per week. Never miss. Never ever miss. Do 1+ hours and . . . this is important, develop the habit of eating after you get home. Have a chicken sandwich loaded with veggies. Mustard instead of mayo. Onions, tomatos, green pepper, pickles, just load it up and do this every time you get home from the gym. Habit. Habit. Habit. Develop habits so you're not challenging your resolve every hour. If your time is spent following a habit, it's not spent eating candy.

[Herman7275 in reply to Rodmail]

These are good ideas, all is a help, if have diabetes like I which is why I am here with fatty liver and F-2 Fibrosis, my suggestions I have been given to help liver and diabetes is a low carb diet, no bread (except occasional keto slice.) But no potatoes,rice,pasta,bread, sugar, crackers, some sweet vegetables & sweet fruit, which eventually I got down to 30 carbohydrates a day 134gr. Of protein, 85gr fat 1800 calories and exercise. I use almond & coconut flour only, coconut oil. I eat alot of eggs, protein!! Some hard cheese, chicken, fish, some lean pork occasionally!!! I have lost 75lbs which also helps fatty liver and diabetes!!! All helps,, have been under dr.'s care.

[Shantton in reply to Herman7275]

Thanks for advice my first cousin was 40 when he passed from cirrhosis and wasn’t a drinker. He was on a friends house after a storm helping him and fell off making him paralyzed. I think probably his medication killed his liver

[Herman7275 in reply to Shantton]

Ahhh to bad, well been at this since 2019 and reversing f. Liver and improving fibrosis. No meds for liver but diet and exercise!!

[nash2 Partner]

I would add to Rodmail's comments to just eliminate sugar. It has no nutrition value and is a burden for your liver. Not easy in our society but offers a big payoff. Also limit your salt. An easy way to remember all this is don't eat anything white.

[CirroShis in reply to nash2]

RE sugar, when I took pharmacology, I learned sugar turns into alcohol in your system. Then when you load meat - red is the worst for anyone...because cattle aren't raised the way they used to be...there's 'drugs' in their feed, there's chemicals where they feed, etc. etc....it's not the meat - it's what's put in the meat these days, even those that say 'free range'...who checks. All 'natural foods' are extremely high in salt....check contents for fat and salt before buying. Sour dough bread is the only 'white' bread that is good diabetics and those with liver problems...everything in moderation. Salt is definitely an enemy of the liver as are over-the-counter pain meds - all produce harm for the liver.

D/Canada

[Lucymyliver22]

My family is getting Non Alcoholic Liver Disease too. Is yours genetic? I'm looking for answers as to why. My brother died and other family member are getting sick.

[CirroShis in reply to Lucymyliver22]

My hepatologist said if more than one person in family has FLD then it's in the genes (which she said was my case...I have NAFLD/Cirrhosis). She also said that she's seeing a 50% increase in liver patients than ever before which she finds alarming. Check all food and non alcoholic drink contents before consuming. If it's fast food assume its filled with fat and salt - both bad for liver. The hepatologist said my food plan - vegan, i.e. no eggs, butter, dairy, salt, sugar, pop, juices and exercise routine has slowed down the progression and she doesn't need to see me for another 7 months.

D/Canada

[Shelterdog]

Eat a low carb, no sugar diet, and lose weight and your numbers should come down. Mine went from 15 to 6.4 in 7 months. There is hope! You can do this!!!

[Herman7275]

I have been above 8.3 for ,well since 2018 and with eating better with low carb diet and exercise, I have been actually getting better