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I was just reading the excellent "reviews of vibrating glove" linked to in the "Tass gloves - how to check improvement" thread - and read that WTP was updating his documentation and web site in March. You've heard of the old lady who named her castrated cat "Tomorrow" (Tom for short) because Tomorrow never comes

Well, this glove upgrade has been "tomorrow" for too long now. I had a break-through today. When will I ever learn? I have been struggling on and off (mostly off) for the last couple of months to get the touchscreen working, by configuring the linux startup files, when I know next to nothing about linux, and regularly locking myself out with errors in the config file. Turns out it was nothing to do with the configuration - I had a dodgy micro-usb lead! How stupid!

So - I'll look to the website, but lets take a quick look here. This picture is all the components for my audio exciter finger pod, using the DAEX-9-4SM exciter which costs a fiver. The only soldering required in the entire glove project is what you see there x8. Take a pair of the mini connector cables, Curl one end by wrapping it round a pencil, fixing it with selotape, and heat it with a heat gun or hairdryer. Let it cool, and remove the selotape and you have a "curly cable". On the end you can see in the picture, cut about 5cm off the red cable, and solder the red cable to one end and black to the other. It is really delicate -so better to find an expert to do it for you - if you buy them a drink. Friends teenager who does electronics? Local school or college? Mobile phone repair shop? PC repair shop? You'll find someone. Thereafter it's like a model kit. Just plug everything together

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As this picture shows, this is MUCH smaller than previous versions - approx 3x2x1cm. The previous picture shows the exciter with a "nut holder" glued to the exciter by the self adhesive on the exciter. That nut holder has a plastic hex nut in it - an inteference fit (you just push it in). The plastic screw has been trimmed to about 8mm long, and has a spring (trimmed from a pen spring) on it. The spring stops the screw from turning and tightening or loosening as the exciter vibrates. The there is the box that the exciter drops into , a plate to hold down both ends of the exciter, and a lid with a finger cut out

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So - fit the plastic screw and spring into the plastic nut and give it a couple of turns with a screwdriver. Drop the exciter and cables into the box. It's a snug fit

Exciter in the box
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Fit the spacer so the 2 bars hold down the exciter

fit the spacer
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Fit the lid and fix with 4 M2 hex bolts. I ended up with a slightly larger box so I could use M2 bolts which are much more robust, and easier to work with

with lid on
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I wrap insulating tape round the box, to secure the cables and protect the joints , and route both cables up the fingertip end of the box, to come over the top to the connection on the glove

full assembly
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Mrs WTP makes these elastic straps with a popper, which wraps round the box, and holds it on my finger

elastic strap
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The finished unit - just slide my finger in the end that doesnt have the cables sticking up. Mrs WTP is due to make these sewn to size - eliminating the popper and the overlap flap

finished finger box
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The gloves are Decathlon cycle gloves. Mrs WTP has sewn little elastic loops on each knuckle to keep the cables tidy

loop on gloves
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Then there are loops on the back of the glove to hold the RJ45 connector - you can see one pointed out by the screwdriver tip

loops on RJ45 holder
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This is the full glove - easy to put on and take off

The full glove
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Much smaller, easier to wear, and less restrictive. And easy to make, if you can find someone who will solder a few joints for you

glove on hand
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Ethin in reply toWinnieThePoo

Looks very neat -- congratulations 😀! I take it they are still tethered, or will you be moving to a mobile version?

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Tethered. No Plans to change

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Hey WtP, I was just recommending using AI, on this site, yesterday. I didn't target a Main, area of the site so I couldn't spread the message. I just replied to someone, like I am to you now. But I do know you are quite active on this site and I have followed your work with Peter Tass's vCR gloves. Your struggles with Linux are very reminiscent of mine. I actually pretty much hate the stuff, but it is so damned useful! Anyway, what I'm getting to is last month i tried Grok and I think it is going to be life changing! I now have a new, genius, accessible, friendly, patient, inspirational best-buddy to talk me through any situation. I've mainly used it for developing an Android App for my watch. But it has been inspirational in several other areas. The App is becoming great, not just good. I was recommending it yesterday to someone on HealthUnlocked to assist them sort and sift through the labyrinth of research and advice on PD. I hope you agree, and can help spread the word. Keep up the good work! All the very best, Greg

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WinnieThePoo in reply toachyback

Deep seek provided lots of excellent Linux coding. It wasn't deep seeks fault I asked it for coding help when the answer was a faulty cable. I learned a lot in the process.

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Farooqji

Thanks a lot for the update. While you update us on the construction progress of the gloves, it would be better to also provide the update on the it's usefulness wrt symptoms control

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Hi farooqji. I've posted so much about symptom control I don't like to keep repeating it. My wife won't let me leave the gloves behind even for a couple of days when we travel. They make me feel normal. Rigidity vastly better. Tremor much better. It's my birthday tomorrow and we're going skiing I find, when I have missed more than the odd day or 2, it takes a few days to rebuild. I am currently using 2 hours a day. I've just had a neurologist appointment. She just could not believe my walking turning, tap test, foot tapping. OK, still on the medication she first prescribed nearly 5 years ago, but she hadn't seen me for 2 years and clearly expected me to have deteriorated. She looked at my wife, who was at the appointment and shook her head in disbelief. She had seen me on no meds during the biogen trial over 6 years ago.

Pretty good really

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Farooqji in reply toWinnieThePoo

It's very encouraging. Do you follow any exercise regime as well?

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Ethin in reply toWinnieThePoo

Very cool -- have fun skiing!

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Happy Birthday Richard all the best, have a great time on the slopes!

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Thanks for the comprehensive updates as ever Richard.

It's a shame we can't persuade such a person

( Friends teenager who does electronics? Local school or college? Mobile phone repair shop? PC repair shop?) to knock out a few of these for us.

I'm sure funding wouldn't be an issue....but maybe some regulatory/legal concerns.

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Once the soldering is done the only difficult job is sewing. Thank heavens for Mrs WTP and her Toyota

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I apologize if I repeat someone else information. I've got this from my Parkinson support group. We just found out about a wearable device similar to a smart watch that supposedly allows Parkinson's patients and those with essential tremors to quiet the tremor temporarily. The patient wears it for 40 minutes and then is able to do just about anything for another 60 minutes. It's called a Cala kIQ. The website is CalaHealth.com.

Just wondered if you or anyone in the group had heard about this and what they thought of it. I haven't done a lot of research on this as yet. Our nephew told us about it because his father uses it and it was provided by the VA. Thanks.

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No. I hadn't heard of it before

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my question is does it work? How does it help on a day to day basis? Thanks

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See my answer to Farooqji

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Cool! So, is it reducing your tremor? How long do you wear it each day?

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2 hours now. But did 4 hours a day for 6 months to start

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How much has it helped your tremor?

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It contributes significantly. Most of the time I hardly have any resting tremor. But tremor has never been my biggest problem.

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The other end of the Mk 6system - the control box. It's bulky but it now fits in the airline under-seat shoulder bag, with the touchscreen at the top, so its really easy to start the programme while the control box is in the bag. It just needs a swipe with a thumb. The blue knobs control the loudness of each finger

Front of WTP tass glove controller
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This is the overhead view - basically what I see poking out the top of the bag

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This is the rear view. There are 2 RJ45 sockets for the cables from the gloves to plug into

Rear view of the tass glove control box
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This is the amplifier box with the lid off. The 4 amplifier boards were bought fully assembled from China for a fiver each

Inside the amplifier box
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Note - there is no soldering required here. The wiring is all into screwblock terminals. Everything else is standard leads plugged together like you would plug in your telly and av amp

amplifer wiring
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Everything plugged in. First job is to transfer the downloaded disk image to a micro sd card. Insert that correctly in the Pi3. Plug the Pi3 into the long battery. Attach the Pi3 to the HDMI extractor with a short HDMI lead. Attach the power cable for the HDMI extractor to the long battery. Plug the amplifier box into the small battery

Connect HDMI output of extractor to the touchscreen. Connect one of the USB ports on the Pi to the touchscreen

Connect the 4 RCA outlets of the extractor to the amplifier board 3.5mm jack sockets (RCA90 degree,RCA to 3.5mm mono, 3.5 mono to 3.5mm stereo, 3.5mm stereo extension to amp boards via a 3.5mm stereo 90 degree)

Plug ethernet cables into gloves and RJ45 sockets on the back of the amp box. And Robert is your aunts husband!!😀

I'm really pleased with this version. I think almost certainly a final version. Now to work on some pattern variations, and then maybe think about the new HiFi Berry DAC-8 for an 8 channel version which would enable non-mirrored use. Maybe

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