Mind Over Medicine

[JayPwP]

Is it possible to use the Placebo effect to our benefit?

Lissa Rankin, Joe Dispenza and several others say it does.

What do you say?

[JayPwP]

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[kaypeeoh in reply to JayPwP]

The first speaker talking about a patient mentioned lymphosarcoma. A sarcoma is a tumorous growth. Lymphocytes are immune cells. So it's a tumor made of lymphatic cells. The placebo was the body shutting down the exuberant growth of lymphocyte cells. In a few days a baseball-sized lump in the armpit shrunk away.

I was diagnosed with MS. For two years I took monthly infusions of Tysabri, a monoclonal antibody (lymph!) and ultimately the symptoms stopped. Then I got PD. Placebo is the body getting better on sugar pills. Nocebo is the opposite, the body getting worse on sugar pills. Is PD my nocebo?

[JayPwP in reply to kaypeeoh]

Who knows? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't...

There's no harm in trying extreme meditation and/or Mindwork though...

[gomelgo in reply to JayPwP]

I read her book, and it was really inspiring.

[JayPwP in reply to gomelgo]

Then repeat the process, get inspired to the point where the inspiration turns to unwavering belief and then rid yourself of this disease.

Whatever the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve. - Napoleon Hill

[Dabaa in reply to JayPwP]

In my own life experience, meditation opened a portal to the demonic with massive concomitant harms causing all manner of issues. Youtube search: 'From New Age to Christ' for many testimonies of same. Check out: 'Second Coming of the New Age: The Hidden Dangers of Alternative Spirituality in Contemporary America and Its Churches' - Steven Bancarz

[JayPwP in reply to Dabaa]

Remember we are discussing the Placebo effect... That which is not true but gives an effect... It's all in the mind 🙏

[JayPwP]

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[JayPwP]

Joe Dispenza PD playlist

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[TL500 in reply to JayPwP]

Thanks for sharing. Is it possible you have something like that from Joe Dispenza for mental health like schizophrenia or depression etc.? Thanks

[JayPwP in reply to TL500]

Let me check

[TL500 in reply to JayPwP]

Thanks

[JayPwP in reply to TL500]

youtube.com/playlist?list=P...

This playlist seems to contain all testimonials. Please see if you can find something relevant to your requirements.

[park_bear]

Yes.

[eschneid]

Absolutely Yes....

[johntPM]

I wrote on this topic back in 2017 on the NeuroTalk forum.

neurotalk.org/parkinson-s-d...

Rather than taking a placebo as a given, we can engineer something better. For example, we can improve its packaging. Generic drugs should be packaged to imply quality, not cheapness.

We should also make use of drugs, such as vitamin D, which are thought to be efficatious for PD, but have not been proven to be. I call these therebos (from THERapy and placEBO).

Not only drugs can be used as placebos. For instance, a magnetic field generator may make a good therebo.

John

[JayPwP in reply to johntPM]

Thank you

[mitochondria]

Certainly yes. Research from Dr Martin Picard, Professor of Psychiatry and Neurology - Columbia University - one of the topics covered in his TEDx talk is "harnessing the placebo effect"

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[crewmanwhite]

Both placebo and nocebo are effective - the first being helpful while nocebo is just the opposite.

Unfortunately, western medical practitioners are trained and very versed in nocebo ("there is nothing you can do"; "no, you can't get well"; "no one ever recovers") and this attitude, and the words, can significantly impact our symptoms and energy.

In the other hand, if practitioners can be encouraging without making empty promises, our symptoms may reduce and energy increase.

I have seen both often over the past 25 years.

[CuriousMe12 in reply to crewmanwhite]

I've experienced both. Years of ignoring my PD as much as possible as well as the meds. Exercising and enjoying. Living quite happily with slow progression. Placebo.

Then I do a 6 monthly visit to my PD specialist or nurse and have a 30 minute tussle about why I don't medicate and how I need to understand that itll get worse. Nocebo result is I feel crap my PD symptoms get worse.

[JayPwP in reply to CuriousMe12]

Go back to feeling happy 👍

[JayPwP in reply to crewmanwhite]

Agreed 👍

[JayPwP]

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[CuriousMe12 in reply to JayPwP]

I feel better just listening to that guys enthusiasm

[JayPwP in reply to CuriousMe12]

Me too... And the way he giggles while talking, it's infectious!

[JayPwP in reply to JayPwP]

For those who are interested in guided meditation. I feel invigorated after practicing both of the below.

TL500 try the Luke Chan meditation at least twice a day for 7 continuous days, and please let us know if it helps you.

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[TL500 in reply to JayPwP]

Thanks

[rebtar]

Even if you know you're taking the placebo med....

msutoday.msu.edu/news/2020/....

[JayPwP in reply to rebtar]

Thank you for sharing the article 🙏

[bassofspades in reply to rebtar]

If that’s the case then gimme placebos every day!

[gomelgo]

absolutely!

[gomelgo]

We need more posts like this one, and more videos like the ones here. Personally, I would like to see a cheerleading section here on HU. Not just empty ra ra ra, but examples like the ones here. I started a list of names of people who either got better or were cured. Here it is so far. Please feel free to add to it.

Janice Hadlock

John Pepper

Chris Lacey

Tim Morton manchestereveningnews.co.uk...

Annetta Freeman ceri.com

Bianca Molle (qi gong)

Paul Linden (Aikido)

Nenad Bach (ping pong)

[JayPwP in reply to gomelgo]

subvertingparkinsons.com/ex...

[gomelgo in reply to JayPwP]

Is this your website?

[JayPwP in reply to gomelgo]

Not mine...

[JayPwP in reply to gomelgo]

Thank you 🙏🙏🙏

[JayPwP]

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[JayPwP]

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[bassofspades]

i say, yes, but the trick is, you can’t know that you’re using the placebo effect. Once the jig is up, the effect will disappear.

People with Parkinsons are especially susceptible to the placebo effect, and this has everything to do with dopamine levels. A lot of us have noticed that we initially felt better when trying a new remedy but usually the relief is short lasting. Happens to me all the time. Joe Dispenzas books explore this in detail.

[bassofspades in reply to bassofspades]

Don’t forget that people claim to be cured simply because they pray for it!

[JayPwP]

Just a thought:

There are only two days of the year that nothing can be done..

Yesterday & Tomorrow..

Today is right day to..

Live, Love, Believe & Do

🙏🙏🙏