Has anyone noticed? What may be the reason?
Either RoyProp has left HU forum or his a... - Cure Parkinson's
Either RoyProp has left HU forum or his account has been deleted
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He was unhappy that his vaccine threads and virus related commentary was deleted and/or edited.
The reason: the censorship.
He will be missed. I hope he comes back.
I believe that if PWP are affected differently than the general population by something then it is relevant and should not be censored because it is a lot less damaging and easy enough to not read something then for everyone to be deprived of it.
It is a matter of letting the people who use the forum decide what they want to read
Did you not remove your post about Mercola (which was about the dissemination about c19 misinformation so surely on topic by your stated standard) because a Mercola follower asked you to? Was the person that complained to you not an adult that could easily have moved on to another thread they found more palatable?
If so, are you not able to empathise with the moderation team somewhat and acknowledge that the practicalities are not quite as simple as you've characterised them here?
Roy's displeasure appeared to be related to his vaccine threads being related and his being edited in relation to his 'wuhan virus' comments. In regards the latter, he was acting like a child, on some occasions even admitting he was using that term in order to get attention from the moderators. Doesn't seem particularly reasonable to troll the mods then get upset when they edit your offending posts, does it?
In regards his vaccine threads, they were likely deleted because the number of misleading and dangerous comments had increased to the point where it was unmanageable. The mod team here has actually given much more latitude regarding c19 threads than many other HU forums. For instance, many of the 'did the vaccine impact your symptoms' threads are still up because they weren't full of dangerous advice.
kevod, To be honest, I have not read any of the posts in question, but apparently the moderators felt he was putting out false information about Covid, which if true, I agree should be banned. You are correct, my deleting the thread about Mercola was my intention to comply with the rules - even though Mercola was putting out false information.
I do feel, however, censorship , in general, is a slippery slope.
Its only a slippery slope if you can't avoid it. I agree that when the government takes steps to curtail your rights in that regard it can feel like the thin end of the wedge, but this is only one tiny corner of the internet, and roy has his own forum where he can say whatever he likes, pretty much. Was staying in-bounds here really that difficult? Was he really offering up useful health information by consistently using the term 'wuhan virus'?
By the standards of almost any other forum, Roy was given significant latitude. His template join my b1 fb group comment had been entirely unmoderated even when it was posted in threads where it was off-topic and felt, to me at least, rather spammy. He goaded the moderators into editing his posts and then when they did so he got upset.
I mean, sitting too close to the fire and then complaining that your back is warm..
And let's not forget that he deleted his account. He wasn't banned. You've had threads deleted by the mods I am sure, and you've not agreed with those decisions, yet you have managed to avoid an account deleting dummy spit. Roy could have taken the same path.
Re mercola, my recollection is that a poster here asked you to delete it. That's correct, isn't it? You deleted it because it offended them?
Yes
Well then surely you understand the situation the moderators are in, and you realise that keeping a group of people happy is not quite as simple as just allowing a free-for-all. And that when things are edited or deleted, it's not Helen and co 'censoring', it's an effort to keep the place as a relatively safe and comfortable forum as possible for as wide a variety of PWPs and other people interested in the condition as possible.
The rules are there for people to see when they join. It has never been held out as an unmoderated free for all so no should expect that that's what it will be.
As long as you don't object to COVID19 jabs and its effective protection, everyone will be fine!
Too bad if that's the reason you deleted it, mercola in my opinion is a long-term repeat serial fraud and liar and shameless profiteer with no conscience. Pandering to people who weaponize their own sense of offense is just more of the same abuse of reason and reasonable people, and should not be rewarded, because rewarding simply increases the inappropriate behavior and commenting. So I say fie on mercola and anybody who promotes him, and believe anybody who weaponizes their own inappropriate use of worship of the guy and their own phony taking of offense in order to punish someone whose view they don't like commits their own offense. Because whenever people take his phoniness seriously they risk getting badly hurt by omission or commission. That's the whole point of blowing the whistle on mercola, is to save people from being harmed by the man and those who protect him mindlessly or religiously or are part of some mercola cult or whatever. Defending him irrationally is like being a rabid anti-vaxxer. You do as well to take medical advice from Trump or Joe Rogan.
". . .even though Mercola was putting out false information."
Politically speaking. . .
He felt Health Unlocked was harassing him and deleting his posts
As well they may have been. Would not be unusual.
I wish Roy well and hope he will be back!
Roy is lucky they still make diapers his size, and that he has a pram to throw his toys out of.How hard is it for a grown up to call covid covid when he's asked to?
And what sort of spoilt baby sulks off grisling when he's not allowed to run round the nursery bullying others?
Why, my dear friend , do you think it is ok to call him a baby? Especially when he is not here to defend himself. Don't you think that's childish as well?
Let's get a perspective. I don't know the specifics of why Roy left but it would appear to be because he was asked to stop referring to covid by his childish nicknames for it.How hard is it for a grown up to do that? How much does it truly compromise your freedom of speech not to use terms like "n*****r" or faggot?
And let's be quite clear. He left in an attention seeking huff of his own volition because he was asked to behave like a grown up, on a members only forum, whose content is nonetheless public, and whose forum owners are potentially liable for it.
Anyone would think he had been thrown out. He chose not to stay because he was asked to stop using silly, offensive, unnecessary labels for covid.
Diddums!
By far the most bizarre aspect of all this (and the bar isn't low) is that roy has both implemented and enforced moderation rules at his FB group, including post removal. So he wants to be able to moderate his own group, yet throws the toys when he gets occasionally moderated here.
You couldn't make it up.
Well Winnie two wrongs do make a right so I guess you are entitled where others are not, is that it?
Also I don't recall anybody thinking that covid is some sort of person who gets offended at anything. Huh? What was that about?
Is normal for Mr. Poo to be arrogant when he runs out of ideas. Roy is a baby, he told me I need to grow up, while looking down at us from the skies.
Freedom of speech.... Americans have killed and died for it . But I guess that's not a big deal, right? Especially if your opinion is unpopular. Oh, no, did I offend someone? Let me head over to my safe space.
No American had ever fought and died for the right to have unfettered freedom of speech on an internet forum where you need to provide your express written consent to the rules before you join. Sorry.
Abe Lincoln did! I saw it on his Facebook page!
Just saying, that's probably why he split
Bass,my friend. FFS (fat finger syndrome) I posted my reply in the wrong box. Soz. Please see above
No, if someone decides to be offended, and claim you did it rather than their own head, that should be their problem, not yours, Even if you tell them what you think of them... It is something I have been trying to convince the moderators of for a very long time. But for some reason we seem to lack a proper school for learning good moderating skills and judgment. On the other hand, I think our moderators show rather excellent skills at missing the point. I really think that if we found some miraculous way to reward them for getting the point, and realize the real functions of behavior when they see them, and on the flip side denying them compensation for when they miss the point or only respond by mindlessly complying only with somebody who complains first or uses their faux sense of being offended as a weapon, we would see our moderators succeed far more at promoting their own employers' mission. But I don't have much hope of that, for some reason it seems like they aren't paid enough or whatever it is that keeps them from learning from experience or thinking in all but the most pedestrian terms. Well you get what you pay for and we don't pay much for access to this website.
Just a reminder that Americans aren't the only ones here, and their definition of freedom isn't everyone's.
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Yes but
Roy in his last post had not violated any rules, he only asked for advice on the third dose and he received several without anyone accusing him of racism.
why was this post deleted?
My guess would be somebody in charge simply didn't want to bother finding out what was really going on. And really, why should they, doing a good job or a bad job doesn't seem to affect their employment or compensation one way or another. Now, if someone were to consider whether something a moderator does either helps gain eyeballs or hurts and loses eyeballs, that would be a little more appropriate. When moderators unfairly squash a participant, that participant leaves and tells everybody they know about how well they were treated by that website, which eventually affects the eyeballs that website continues to attract (or lose). But without consequences to helping the company or hurting the company, by increasing eyeballs or decreasing eyeballs, people tend to just coast and pick up their paycheck. At least, until somebody notices they have made themselves redundant.
Don't show this to winnie, she might think it applies to her and get offended then she might complain about you being offensive or having a full diaper or whatever.
I guess the reason Farooq, as you asked, is probably some other participants on the web site had need of some drama and so gave in to the temptation to target him with some pretext or other, phony story of offense or righteous indignation and then somebody upstairs just didn't realize that was what was actually going on.
Somebody a while back mentioned kindergarten. They were right, except that it wasn't roy, it was the actual complainants who were behaving like children. Effectively, since management doesn't really stop to realize what's actually going on, how moderators can be used as a weapon, because they don't stop to think about how they are being used inappropriately. My kids used to do that from the backseat of my car when they were very young... "Mom he's looking at me! Punish him!"
Nailed it
I think anyone calling Covid ,the Chinese disease is inflammatory. End off !!
With respect, you should make an accusation for specific facts or people if you have any otherwise it would seem like "witch hunt", and is inflammatory too.
And just like everyone else , you are entitled to your opinion ! Fair enough?
Roy deleted his own account, bass. He wasn't banned. He had a couple of posts/comments edited or deleted, something he was acutely aware would occur since it had happened before, and he had openly talked about using those terms to provoke the moderators. So he provoked them into editing/deleting and they did so. Big deal. He wanted some attention and he got it. What did he think would happen?
What's really odd about this is that anyone desperate to stay in touch with Roy knows where to find him, since he posted the address to his FB group dozens if not hundreds of times. So go hang out with him there, I guess?
Fact not opinion Covid is not a Chinese disease
Illnesses are named for their point of origin. Spanish flu, Hong Kong flu, bird flu, swine flu..... we're moving away from this because of politics. Spanish flu is H1N1 now. It's nomenclature. The problem of how you choose to receive it (take offense) belongs to you. It looses it power if you choose not to negatively react. End off.
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Roy made a choice to push the moderators by referring to COVID-19 as the Wuhan China virus AGAIN despite being warned by the moderators, probably more than once. I highly doubt that the moderators harassed him although it is likely they warned him and edited his post. He made the choice to leave in a huff, which smacks of both martyrdom and childishness .
Well said!!
In reality Roy in his last post had not violated any rules, he only asked for advice on the third dose and if the words virus China or Wuhan are the reason for the warning it is censurable this cannot be discriminatory towards Roy as there are much more than 2000 posts on Hu with this reference "China virus" about 60 with "Wuhan" uncensored, just do a search. As questionable as Roy's choices are, it doesn't seem very elegant for me to offend him publicly in his absence.
You are right, Gio! A lot of posts with the word "Wuhan"
Did Spanish flu originate in Spain? 
Anyway, everything is about POLITICS! Ray was not politically correct according to HU. . . We live in a strange world, we have to be very careful what to say and how to say it, otherwise we are banned from everything. That is the new way of "FREE SPEECH."
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