Parkinson's is not all in your head: Frozen Shoulder

[Bolt_Upright]

I saw this picture the other day while researching frozen shoulder. It really hit me that PD is always described as problems being caused by dopamine cells dying in your brain and the subsequent lack of dopamine affecting your body.

If you look at this picture and see the difference between the normal shoulder and the frozen shoulder, it seems that something more is at work here. Maybe I am wrong, and a lack of dopamine causes shoulder inflammation.

I'm just thinking, with my HS degree, that whatever stack of protocols we have need to include something to address this inflammation (I'm guessing it is not limited to the shoulder).

[FawnLily]

Agree. I had frozen shoulder 4 years ago and still have shoulder pain. My inflammation marker in my blood is very high and I don’t know why. I have no obvious signs of an infection. How do I find the source?

[Gcf51]

I would have to question if when someone with Parkinson's says frozen shoulder are they referring to the same condition as the pictured.

But Mayo does list Parkinson as a condition that is more likely mayoclinic.org/diseases-con...

[134A in reply to Gcf51]

Sounds as if restricted motion is the culprit. I.e. reduced arm swing. As in PD . I my case, I blamed carrying a clipboard on my left arm for long periods in my job. But that doesn’t explain why the opposite shoulder would later become frozen. Any guesses?

[ddmagee1]

I’ve had shoulder stiffness and problems, like dislocation, for many years, only in the shoulder affected by the left side, of my body, that PD affects the most! Many PD sufferers have shoulder problems, from what I’ve seen in the blogs that I have visited. Somehow, I think there may be a connection!

[SilentEchoes]

I don't think there's a direct link between shoulder inflammation and neurodegenerative syndromes, which have a brain inflammation component to them.

A very early symptom of mine was loss of arm swing - this is due to muscle weakness. Both of my shoulders have been injured (supraspinatus tears) and subsequently frozen, one before onset and the other after. I opted for chiropractic care instead of surgery. I got a cortisone shot in my left shoulder when it became encapsulated. Muscle atrophy was seen on my MRI.

I had a brain SPECT at CereScan in 2016, two years post poisoning that showed diffuse encephalopathy throughout my brain (toxic/hypoxic process). A resource for further information is Amen Clinics, they also do brain SPECT. This will be poo pooed by traditional (indoctrinated) neurologists. I believe the brain can heal - not with pharmaceuticals, but with a combination of proper nutrition, healing past trauma and brain training to reduce brain inflammation and foster healing.

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[chartist]

People with PD are at increased risk for shoulder issues including frozen shoulder.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/a...

In PwP, elevated inflammatory markers are alive and flourishing in the gut as well as elevated levels of oxidative stress which is also suggested to be elevated in the brain with the increased deposition and accumulation of iron in the PD brain. A dysbiotic gut microbiome has shown the potential to have negative health effects body wide.

Working on improving the gut microbiome by increasing intake of things and doing things that can increase short chain fatty acid(SCFA) producing bacteria and SCFAs themselves, seems like a worthwhile pursuit in trying to reverse many of these inflammatory issues often seen in PwP, related to the spine, brain, heart and major joints. Inflammation and excess oxidative stress feed on each other in a negative health cycle that slowly increases ill health, disease and loss of quality of life. Starving the gut organisms that feed the negative health cycle of inflammation and excess oxidative stress is also useful toward promoting a healthy gut microbiome and overall improved health. I'm currently working on a list of things that should meet this criteria.

Art

[Kia17 in reply to chartist]

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[EnterTheDragon]

I’ve experienced frozen shoulder, painful shoulder from the beginning of my diagnosis of Parkinson’s.

This lead to atrophy of a muscle group and subsequently more pain developed. I went for PRP therapy to help alleviate some of the pain. This all occurred to my left shoulder. It was the left shoulder not swinging when I walked Which was the first sign of Parkinson’s.