What happened at a Galveston County nursing home over the last week was one of the first big tests of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 patients in Texas.
“I thought the risk of seeing 15% of that nursing home die was just not an acceptable,” said Dr. Robin Armstrong, MD, medical director at The Resort at Texas City.
Fifty-six residents at this senior facility in Galveston County contracted the novel coronavirus. Dr. Robin Armstrong said 39 of them gave him permission to treat them with hydroxychloroquine pills.
On Sunday, those 39 patients finished five days of treatment with hydroxychloroquine. Dr. Armstrong said no one experienced any side effects.
Why do you think some people report side effects? Too high a dose? Do you just need a small dose? They say these drugs were developed from methylene blue do you know anything about methylene blue? They used to use it in 1930’s to treat malaria
Hydroxychloroquine has a very long history of use with its origin going all the way back to 1638! It has a completely different safety profile compared to methylene blue which was used against malaria some hundred years ago, and disappeared when chloroquine and other drugs replaced it. Hydroxychloroquine is safer and less toxic than chloroqine, and it has been used by the severely immune compromised lupus, RA, and other autoimmune patients daily since 1945.
Any exaggerated side effects may be theoretical "fear mongering" as Dr. Zelenko puts it, especially for short term preemptive application.
Well if needed I of course would take the medicine if I could get it. Do you hear of any problem for people to get a prescription? I was just thinking of having methylene blue at home in case of emergency and not being able to get hydroxychloroquine, thank you for taking the time to answer your questions
There's a shortage of the medication because of the international massive demand, and physicians can't actively prescribe it for outpatients simply desiring it "just in case" because the autoimmune folks who depend on the medicine daily are now having difficulties because of the shortage in supply.
Sure! People with autoimmune disease need it daily to function. I had extremely high ANA at one time and they thought I had lupus and actually prescribed this med for me but I didn’t take it because my rheumatologist said it might hurt my vision, that was 20 years ago.
Yes, it's contraindicated for people with retinopathy, but the lower dose short term application as in Dr. Zelenko's protocol should be minimal exposure and still beneficial weighing in the cost/benefit balance.
In the meanwhile, try Quercetin along with zinc. It's another zinc ionophore and it has no risky side effects. I dissolve the fat soluble powder in oil (I use flaxseed oil) and take it with zinc along with meals including black pepper (piperine) and foods high in bioflavonoids and vitamin C to help the absorption. Here are the studies I posted in the other tread.
It is widely available in the USA now. Your Doctor could prescribe it to you,if he feels you have covid 19 symptoms. It was prescribed to me 2 wks ago.
Hi,my pry MD actually diagnosed me wrongly and prescribed the drug for me. I had a wet productive cough,not dry one,as you would expect for covid 19.I also had chills and temp of 99.I did not need to use the drug too much,anyway. I guessed I had bronchitis,with lots of thick mucus during coughing.I am feeling better,however.It is not a good experience,when you are already dealing with PD stiffness,pain,and insomnia,you know battling multiple symptoms,all at once.No quality living. I thank God,that I am getting over the bronchitis.
Hydroxychloroquine has its origins going back to 1638? really? Nice "apocryphal" story out of Peru and a Inca herbalist treating a Viceroy's wife, or was it really 1820 when it had its "real" origins?
Try 1820 when french medical scientists first isolated quinine. It was then used in the 1830s on lupus patients. Then later to treat malaria in the British army in India around the 1890s. Hydroxychloroquine has its origins in the 1950s. It is a synthetic DMARD much more advanced than Quinine.
Read the attached link. Don't be flippant about the semantics. If you want to deduct about two centuries for the active compound isolation of Quinine from the tree's bark, that's your choice.
Thanks Doc, but malaria was first truly reported by Lancisi, then by Laveron around 1880 and then isolated as a disease in 1897 by Ross to prove "the role of Anopheles mosquitoes in the transmission of malaria parasites in humans." No one had a clue about malaria or where it came from as a specific disease in 1638 including your bogus link.
But we could go back to ancient (BC) Chinese medical texts and claim that they knew about a disease we now call malaria and proposed a very common Chinese herb called artemesia to help treat it. The Romans dealt with this disease as well, but never knew it as malaria, but as bad air (hence the Italian word mal aria.") Same goes for the Jesuits in South America in the 1600 hundreds.
Must have slept through your medical history class that day.
Remember Doc when you took your medical and scientific terminology class? Your professor explained that in medicine, and in medical research, semantics are extremely important. Don't forget his admonition. Very important.
In fact, how could medicine be so cryptic without those big words with which it risks resembling more to a religion where only priests know the Word. Today I feel contentious a little.😀
If you truly feel that way, then why do you go to a doctor(s)? I am not trying to be contentious here, but asking a serious question. If you don't understand your physician, find one you do understand. What is preventing you from doing so? Or self medicate your PD if it will make you happier.
As to "semantics", the specific meaning of specific words is very important in science. Otherwise, science would resemble a Tower of Babbel where no one would know what the other person was talking about. Tough enough as it is.
Keep safe and relax. Someday Italy will eventually flatten the curve, and you will be able to once again lead your normal life.
Accuracy for Accuracy and I quote you: "... the specific meaning of specific words is very important in science" is the definition of "nomenclature". Oxford dictionary: 1. a system of naming things, especially in a branch of science. Let's leave aside the semantics which is a larger and foggy field. If everyone spoke using the specialist nomenclature, the doctors will be able to speak only with the doctors, the engineers only with the engineers is so on and there will be no more communication and understanding. In a context like this in HU, a little precision in language is sacrificed in favor of communication. Having said that, I agree with you in correcting inaccuracies when necessary and if I were Rescuema I would take note of your advice.
Is our Sharon in a rare good mood? I'll take the dose of your positivity.
I slept through many classes since I was a child but that didn't stop me from getting A's. I blame my mother who allowed me the free rein including watching traumatizing horror films into the wee hours until the national anthem. lol
So what I left out a qualifying verb on the "origin," but I'm sure others understood just fine.
Quinine was first isolated in 1820 from the bark of a cinchona tree.[2][5][6] Bark extracts have been used to treat malaria since at least 1632.[7] It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, the safest and most effective medicines needed in a health system.[8]
Quinine was used as a muscle relaxant by the Quechua, who are indigenous to Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador, to halt shivering due to low temperatures.[42] The Quechuas would mix the ground bark of cinchona trees with sweetened water to offset the bark's bitter taste, thus producing something similar to tonic water.[43]
The Jesuit were the first to bring cinchona to Europe. The Spanish were aware of the medicinal properties of cinchona bark by the 1570s or earlier: Nicolás Monardes (1571) and Juan Fragoso (1572) both described a tree that was subsequently identified as the cinchona tree and whose bark was used to produce a drink to treat diarrhea.[44] Quinine has been used in unextracted form by Europeans since at least the early 17th century.[45] It was first used to treat malaria in Rome in 1631.
Yes that’s why I can’t take quinine the muscle relaxing properties, I have swallowing issues that act like myasthenia but my antibody test negative so I avoid anything that can aggravate myasthenia
The medication is known to produce side effects in some people, just as thousands of other drugs do. They are called "side" because they produce effects other than the primary effect(s) that are desired in its use. That's all. Every drug has some. People respond differently. Look up "what is a side effect". Then ask: "why do some people have side effects?" etc. Some side effects can be severe and even deadly, depending on the medication and other things it can interact with. Like driving a car can be deadly. The users just have to know that in advance because doing anything at all includes a certain amount of risk, just that with medications some of those risks are known and defined before you use it, so you are advised about what those are so that when you choose to use it you are informed of all the risks and you are deciding your own cost-benefit analysis values knowing the risks. That's all very common and usual, so you can decide if the benefit prospect is worth the risk that can but don't always come with it.
Once a medication is "approved" (what they call thus "on-label") for one disease, then the way the prescription laws work that same med then can be used "off label" by any licensed prescriber ad hoc for any other use under that prescriber's own licensed authority and judgment. Hydorxychloroquine has been around and approved for any prescriber to use on the prescriber's own licensed discretion and judgment for decades, starting with the first approval back when it was approved for malaria. It's been approved for specific use in several diseases, but not this new virus. So it is already known in general what kind of "side" effects can occur, all you have to do is look it up.
This guy just decided to do his own impromptu safety study like a phase-1 for this corona. He would have had to get permission from each patient to give it. He probably used what are already known doses considered reasonably safe that would have been done in the study process to approve it way back when for malaria, for lupus, arthritis, porphyria.
It's not a full study on effectiveness however, because he only had a general estimate, a guess prediction, of the lethality of the nursing home residents' death rate (15%) if they had the virus but were not treated. In truth he didn't know if anyone there would die following not getting the medication, or die from the virus for that matter. All he was trying to do was beat the EXPECTED odds that 15% of his nursing home population who has the virus would die with or without treatment.
But "with or without treatment" is very muddy. You can't tell enough about things from just that. If the person survives you can't tell exactly what made them not die. So it's an incomplete study. But for him and his patients, he didn't think they would die FROM taking the drug, so any less dying than 15% would be potentially better than that 15% he thought could die without the drug. It was a guess, but doesn't prove the drug is responsible for less than 15%-dying. It also doesn't prove that the virus is responsible for anyone who did die, and it doesn't prove that they won't die in the immediate future either. The only thing it helps prove (in a small sample of 60-odd cases) is that whatever dose he gave, across whatever diseases/individual-natures that could exist among those 60 people, is not lethal. I.e., the drug is not lethal at whatever dose he did use, in the specific unique set of cases these people represented. It is not saying at all that if that same group were not given the drug that a different result would occur or be caused. So it was just a little incomplete experiment by the doctor, with what he and his patients thought was little to lose. Cost nothing, little to lose, impromptu and available to do right now. So why not, he thought, almost nothing to lose, especially if possibly up to 15 percent of those are going to die anyway, anything seriously better than that might be worth it.
So why not, one-in six-with-the-virus are "probably" going to die here from the virus anyway, so less than one-in-six after using the drug is "probably" an improvement. That's what he reasoned, and his patients agreed.
Meanwhile, they knew that even if the drug works, it could cause problems like these blindness side effects etc. all by itself...but maybe being blind is better than being dead in the minds of his patients. And not everyone gets side effects or the worst side effects, so maybe they thought the risk was worth taking if it also makes you come out of it with your life. And if you come out of it with no side effects either, then you have hit an even bigger jackpot.
"The only thing it helps prove (in a small sample of 60-odd cases) is that whatever dose he gave, across whatever diseases/individual-natures that could exist among those 60 people, is not lethal. I.e., the drug is not lethal at whatever dose he did use, in the specific unique set of cases these people represented."
Correct, at least it establishes that the drugs weren’t harmful.
However, let's contrast that with this ongoing horrible news at a New Jersey nursing home.
"Horrific' death toll at NJ nursing home...33 deaths are due to coronavirus..Two nurses have also died from COVID-19...another 76 residents and 41 staff members have tested positive...When they called Saturday they were desperate for body bags.
"The state [NJ] also loosened restrictions Friday on using a controversial malaria drug to treat COVID-19, making it more readily available for people in nursing homes.Doctors had been barred from prescribing the drug hydroxychloroquine outside of hospitals unless patients tested positive for the virus."
Zinc, certainly that's a question, that is another factor...for us anyway, but why is no one else asking it? I have yet to see anyone but a couple people here even talking about zinc. In fact the only thing I do see is a behavior (which of course to me is a very telling thing), and that behavior is that the shelves are empty of zinc. Empty.
Everywhere in my community, zinc is now gone. No zinc anywhere. Somebody has snapped (is snapping?) it up. That is not an accident. So why do we see no mention, discussion of zinc anywhere but here????
I suspect that few journalists are familiar with the importance of zinc in the 3-drug cocktail promoted by Dr. Zelenko. Since Trump (and others) only ever mention HCQ, maybe the journalists think that HCQ is the only important ingredient.
Many Drs are missing the zinc importance only following the recent study of hydroxychloroquine. It's really unfortunate that people are dying because of lack of zinc, especially with delayed application of HCQ.
I put this video up a month ago and this video series seems to get a lot of views and I imagine it is a contributing factor to the current zinc shortage. I ordered mine on line after watching that video along with quercetin. The quercetin was in stock and arrived quickly, but it took about 3 to 4 weeks for the zinc to arrive. I checked, and that supplier is still out of stock! Here is the video :
Zinc has been used in S. Korea with HCQ for the Covid patients. Drs such as Dr. Zelenko didn’t know why they did initially but decided to use it in his cocktail along with Azit used in a French study, and other Drs followed suit. I and I’m sure many knew of the importance of Zinc to fight viral infections and I suspected the reported anosmia must be related to zinc deficiency as soon as I heard it. Along with Dr. Z's viral video message to Trump, YouTube videos started popping up explaining the zinc iopnophore mechanisms of HCQ as well as Quercetin.
My question concerns the dosage. I take Hydroxychloroquine for RA. 200mg twice a day. Any idea what Dr. Armstrong was dosing? Been taking this for several years with no side effects
Don't forget zinc needs a transporter for intracellular entry. No transporter, minimal intracellular entry for zinc. No intracellular entry, minimal efficacy is found by using zinc alone.
That is why both HCQ and zinc need to be prescribed together if zinc hypothetically is to work and assist HCQ against this virus.
It'll help (but don't overdose), and here's an expert opinion:
An email from senior pathologist Dr. James Robb -
Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic
"Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources...
Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY “cold-like” symptoms beginning."
Dear Dr. Robb: How does a pathologist become a virologist? let alone a "molecular virologist."? I thought you were board certified in anatomic pathology, clinical pathology, cytopathology, and dermatopathology. IOW, you are a highly qualified pathologist, not a virologist, except by calling yourself one.
"its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources..." The operative word here is "clinical transfers." It is very clear this is what happened in Wuhan.
Dear Doc Res: What is the relevancy of this quote from Dr. Robb to zinc? None that I am aware of. Did I miss something? Or is he the one recommending to "stock up now"?
Regardless of the numerous posts to the contrary, zinc alone without some type of "transporter" to move it into your intracellular spaces isn't going to do you much good. Zinc's effectiveness is to be measured on a intracellular basis, not extracellular.
Biochem 101.
Therefore, we see the proposed theory of HCQ with zinc with HCQ functioning as the transporter. Whether or not this combination is truly effective in virus cases is currently debatable and under investigation on a very limited scale...typically also using the drug AZIT.
Plasma half life of HCQ is more than 100 days, so the issue here is whether or not zinc needs to be replenished frequently after stopping HCQ after 5 days. Of course, we are assuming the addition of zinc is an efficacious addition.
Biochem 101.
I doubt whether any investigation of HCQ+zinc will be tried on patients with any sort of cardiac arrhythmias, so its application will need patient assessments.
I now have two very different 'responses' to my question regarding the usefulness of taking zinc lozenges.
Dr. Crayn: "zinc alone without some type of 'transporter' to move it into your intracellular spaces isn't going to do you much good."
Dr. Robb: " These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx."
I'm gunna go with Dr. Robb.
More specifically, I'm going to follow his advice to: "Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY 'cold-like' symptoms beginning."
Okay, thanks. I'll get two different sizes. A small one (about 10mg) for taking every day, and a much larger one for taking when I detect the start of a cold or flu.
I am in no way dismissing Robb's comments in his email...
bu do yourself a favor (and others should heed my advice) and read what he later said. If your cognition isn't skewed, please realize he blatantly admits this zinc cure is merely a supposition on his part without any "direct" scientific evidence on his part.
"Robb confirmed that he’d written the above (email) and added, “In my experience as a virologist and pathologist, zinc will inhibit the replication of many viruses, including coronaviruses. I expect COVID-19 will be inhibited similarly, but I have no direct experimental support for this claim. I must add, however, that using zinc lozenges as directed by the manufacturer is no guarantee against being infected by the virus, even if it inhibits the viral replication in the nasopharynx.”
Thanks, as always (actually, that's not completely true), for your input.
As I said: "I'll get two different sizes. A small one (about 10mg) for taking every day, and a much larger one for taking when I detect the start of a cold or flu."
This course of action may or may not be helpful, but either way, it surely won't be harmful. So it's a no-brainer!
If I may be so bold, you sometimes (quite often, actually) have the habit of answering a different question to the one that you have been asked.
OTOH, maybe my cognition really is skewed, how would I know? I can't get it tested at the moment, as that test would be regarded as non-essential in the current circumstances (as a blood test for zinc level would probably also be).
I usually think out of the box because most questions I am asked on HU, such as yours, I have already dealt with in previous posts, either directly or indirectly.
I have answered your HCQ +AZIT + zinc question at least 10 times. Here I go again.
If this virus is somehow an analogue of the HIV virus that was engineered (designed with the HIV added sequence ) in the Wuhan class 4 virology lab, for whatever reason, it isn't your typical conronavirus regardless of what Dr.Robb, who is a pathologist not a virologist, thinks or guesses.
This baby is a very, very toxic hot potato that isn't going to succumb to some doctor's "guess" or some anecdotal stories. Look at the number of deaths in the major EU countries plus UK. Closing in on 100,000. And front line medical center doctors have tried everything with little to show for it. To believe that HCQ+AZIT+zinc hasn't been tried is ridiculous. Whether it works to reduce the # of deaths remains to be seen. At this point, it is questionable.
Reality is such a difficult pill to swallow. Much more difficult than swallowing a zinc tablet.
"I have answered your HCQ +AZIT + zinc question at least 10 times."
Except that I didn't ask a HCQ + AZIT + zinc question! This is an example of you "answering a different question to the one that you have been asked". The question that I asked was a simple yes/no question about zinc lozenges.
Anyway, thanks for all the extra information you supplied. I'm not much into conspiracy theories, but the information was still of interest.
"taking zinc alone, by itself, is NO protection against covid-19"
Finally, after three attempts over two days, a simple yes/no answer to my question about zinc lozenges. Thank you.
Mind you, those two days gave me a chance to learn of Dr. Robb's contrary view, to do a bit of relevant reading, and to form my own view.
I'm going to stick with my earlier stated plan to buy two different sizes of zinc lozenges/tablets. This course of action may or may not be helpful, but either way, is very unlikely to be harmful.
See the below link for our previous conversation. She has no clue of zinc's role on immune defense, and although she had modified and deleted some parts of her posts, she once (even now?) believed zinc can't get into cells without extraneous transporters. As we are all aware by now, she is incessantly critical and condescending of others' professional credentials and experiences while bizarrely claiming to be an expert.
The Drs who use HCQ+AZIT+Zinc are seeing much better results especially when applied EARLY and preemptively.
Unfortunately in some US states with high casualties, Drs have been banned from prescribing HCQ on outpatient basis. By the time people end up in ICU, their chances of survival drop with already compromised immune system. These drugs won't get rid the insidious viruses on their own. They only slow them down so that your body gets a chance to develop immunity and deactivate the virus, and zinc and other nutrient deficiencies will compromise this immune system response.
Rescue has been infected with Covid-19 (see "mystery cough" post). He has been on zinc (plus numerous other things as per his post). Apparently, Rescue did not realize that persistent and continuous coughing is a sure sign of infection.
Therefore, I conclude that zinc offered NO protection for someone (n=1) who has used it and promoted it for several months. He resorted to his other home remedy to resolve his mystery cough> "My persistent mystery cough stopped in 3 days by nebulizing food grade hydrogen peroxide (H2O2)". You can try that as well as the zinc and his other home remedies.
Regardless of the resolution of his symptoms, it is highly likely that his Covid-19 infection will probably remain in his system in the form of "reactivation" down the road. If he is lucky, it won't. This observation isn't a conspiracy theory; it is backed by the medical literature that is available to anyone if their cognition isn't skewed.
Has it occurred to you that persistent cough is also very common in seasonal allergies? The allergen count is extremely high in the state I'm in right now, so I'm not discounting anything although I'm leaning towards the infection as I've stated already. I certainly didn't need any drug nor ended up in an ICU, did I? Of course you didn't visit the posted related threads with the revealing discussions with other HU members. Your conclusion is laughable - having zinc sufficiency doesn't stop the virus exposure/infection. You lack common sense and I advise you stop trolling the forum with your hostility and nonsense. Here's the post for others who are interested.
So a long term persistent and continuous mystery cough is not a symptom of Covid-19? I hate to break the news to you, but it definitely is.
The fact that you didn't end up in an ICU doesn't prove you are not infected. The fact you needed all of your remedies is a pretty good indication you are definitely infected and should self quarantine for at least 14-28 days.
You are way behind the curve when it comes to the symptomatology of this virus, way behind.
I've been in self isolation for way over a month, and persistent cough doesn't 100% guarantee covid-19 but thanks Doc for the positive definite diagnosis without a test. The last time I had persistent cough was after an exposure to gypsum dust during the 90s after a DIY remodel, and that cough lasted 3 months, and it definitely wasn't Covid.
It is clear, at least to me, your initial assumption was correct:
"I've been suspecting that I've been exposed to Covid-19 for over a month now."
" It all started with a diarrhea, headache (lower back of the head), feeling off, shoulder blade pain, but absolutely no fever"
Given the error variance in test results (unfortunately a common problem), your extensive symptomatology list is probably more relevant especially its persistence and the need to use a nebuliser with H2O2. A definite sign.
From your commentary, I believe that the virus contaminated your respiratory system without doing severe damage (no ICU). However, reactivation is not out of the question. I wouldn't dismiss the need to find a physician who would prescribe HCQ if it reactivates. Better safe than sorry.
Awe thanks Sharon. I'm aware of the redetactability potential as reverberated in the media and will take due extra care. I don't believe I'll need HCQ.
>"The state of Missouri became the first in the nation to file a lawsuit against China over their role in the coronavirus pandemic. Also named in the suit are the Communist Party of China, the government of Wuhan City, and the Wuhan Institute of Virology, along with the Chinese Academy of Sciences."
Oh good, you self-corrected from your past "no cellular entry" after Dr. Mobeen's video to "minimal intracellular entry."
Neither is exactly correct, and it depends on the context. Also, you might've missed that ramsey1717 is already taking HCQ, thus my recommendation.
The human body may contain around 2 grams of zinc, but only 0.1% is in the plasma and the remainder is within the cells. Cellular zinc homeostasis is very tightly controlled by the metal transporters ZnT (SLC30) and ZIP (SLC39) families, and unless the transporters allow the available zinc into cells, the positively charged zinc ions and cellular membranes will repel each other - which is another reason why that Australian CT is pointless as if to hope for a passive diffusion in a critical state through a massive toxic dose.
It's not easy to alter the intracellular zinc level on the fly especially after a chronic zinc deficiency that's unfortunately very common (around 30% of the elderly). It's because of the tight concerted actions of proteins that sense, signal, store, transport and release zinc through gene expression of zinc transporters and metallothioneins. Steady high zinc diet or supplementation tends to address the deficiency over time, but this is especially challenging for those with zinc dyshomeostasis implicated in many diseases including cancer, diabetes, immunosenescence, neurological diseases, etc. This is where the zinc ionophores come in to override the control barrier to increase the intracellular zinc level swiftly.
Great find! So it sounds like it would be fine to use if you start having symptoms, I actually ordered some and it should be here soon I wanted a backup if I couldn’t get anything else
Yes I’ve just posted that and another today. I haven’t listened to them yet.
As for taking it, I’m not sure. He stresses that it would be purely experimental and at your own risk.
Where do you buy it from? Note to anyone thinking of trying it he says there are different grades so do not just think you can take the stuff for dosing your goldfish! You will poison yourself! It has to be pharmaceutical grade, for humans!
He is talking about taking it intravenously which would need to be administered by professionals. I think he just wanted people doing trials to try it along with other things to see if it could be a cure. I found his explanation of how the virus works fascinating.
As for Zinc mentioned by others here, if you are struggling to source it I suggest you try Hardy’s daily essential nutrients as it is one of the ingredients, plus it has many other vitamins and minerals that are essential. It is in a balanced formulation . I think it is better taking this than a large amount of one vitamin or mineral.
I read a lot on the Ray Peat forum about them taking methylene blue, I must say a lot of them use the fish stuff but I got the pharmaceutical grade myself I was too nervous about other but they’ve used for years it seems. You have to use tiny amount too much and you get opposite effects they say
I also want to add in seeing that about methylene blue I went to pubmed and looked up articles about blue food coloring and found that just plain brilliant blue 1 which it’s called on labels can lower IL-6 so I drank some of my grandkids blue kool aide today! I figured lowering IL-6 any way I can is a good thing😁
Oh my, You are getting experimental drinking that stuff! maybe it is methylene blue! In which case try it with some different pH liquids to see. It’s a pH indicator too. I think Art published a lot of more natural IL- 6 lowering Compounds which may be better for you!
That was very interesting! I love looking through vintage things, my grandma had a victrola and she used to play me Rudy Vallee records, totally off topic!
If anyone can’t get zinc it is one of the ingredients in Hardy’s daily essential nutrients ! May be a good time to try it as it has other recommended ingredients in it too. My husbands anxiety is completely gone still which given the current situation is a miracle in itself after the way he way he was last year!
To me, I just cant get over the point that the doctor involved in this dodgy study is a Republican activist. I sincerely hope no one is offended by this but I cant help but think that pushing a drug where the side effects include incipient death furthers The Darwin Awards agenda by, ultimately, removing Trump voters (for example, in redneck states where they are lifting the lockdown) from the gene pool.
I personally don't care about political affiliation when it comes to effective medicine.
The drug works when combined with zinc especially when applied quickly.
A recent international poll of over 6200 physicians in 30 countries found hydroxychloroquine was the most highly rated "most effective therapy" for the Covid-19.
Now that your realize your initial representation of this survey was blatantly erroneous in its implications, I think you continue to "spin" the results of this survey which are truly meaningless within an appropriate context. It is pretty obvious.
"Of the 2,171 doctors asked which drug is most effective, 37 percent said hydroxychloroquine. By contrast, 32 percent answered “nothing.”
You're incorrigible. My earlier response stands regardless of your misinterpretation. Stats get skewed easily. You need to learn to see through the data.
This isn't party politics. It shows a basic lack of judgment, being a republican activist where the person on whose behalf you are active is an educationally sub-normal college drop out pathetic business failure with CLINICAL narcissism and Dunning-Kruger syndrome.
How can any normal person watch this buffoon blunder around like a bull in a china shop for three years making a fool of himself and his country and still be an activist?
I just cant get past this point when asked to validate his dodgy minuscule non-double blind Texas City "study".
If there is NO TREATMENT for a disease, I can sure see a percentage of doctors supporting anything (short of putting on a beak-costume) in the hope that it might do less harm than good.
"Armstrong argues there’s no connection between his standing in the Republican Party and his decision to use the drug on elderly, infected patients.
“It amazes me that someone would make that leap, would think I’m using this drug just because the president wants me to, because I’m a Republican,” Armstrong told The Daily News. “I have always kept my medical practice separate from my political life.”
“This is not an experiment, not a clinical trial,” he said, pointing to use of the drug in India and to studies from China and France that have indicated the drug has been effective at slowing the virus’ invasion of cells.
The people he has been treating are people he knows, whose families he knows, Armstrong said.
“It makes me angry that people think I would experiment on people I know,” he said. “I’m practicing medicine in my hometown at the hospital where I was born. I know these people.”
He is just one of many Drs seeing positive results along with myriad international physicians. Let's hope that the early application of the drug combo works well for the sake of everyone.
He may well be "one of many Drs" genuinely "seeing positive results along with myriad international physicians". Whatever I think and whatever the does says nothing about the ineffectiveness of any drug. But if someone is presenting the results of a non-scientific study, I believe it is important that people can look at the person presenting those results and form a judgment as to whether he is or isn't a crackpot. Then decide to look towards other studies before deliberating on the validity of his study.
It may be relelvant that figures on whose behalf he is an activist habitually lie when presenting the results of purported 'studies' and habitually 'hear voices' (which mysteriously can never be identified) to support his points
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