Periodontal (Gum) Disease

[jimcaster]

I have mild problems with inflammation of my gums. A few days ago, a study linking gum disease with Alzheimer's disease was reported and I have read several studies or articles suggesting that gum inflammation may cause, or at least worsen Parkinson's disease. Obviously PD can lead to periodontal disease because it becomes more difficult to brush our teeth, etc., but it seems logical to me that inflammation caused by gum/periodontal disease might cause or at least worsen Parkinson's. Does anyone else have periodontal inflammation? What do you think about that inflammation being a cause of PD, or at least related to worsening symptoms?

[jimcaster]

I should also add that I'm seeing a periodontal specialist in February. I intend to treat the periodontal disease very aggressively because there's nothing to lose except inflammation and potentially a lot to gain. All of this came about after a routine cleaning with my dental hygienist this morning.

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Jim,

Any inflammation will add to your total inflammatory burden and that is not good for PWPs or people with any type of inflammatory disease. I've read where some people get relief from gum inflammation by oil pulling with coconut oil which can act as an antibacterial. I am not convinced on the claims of oil pulling, but this particular claim seems very plausible to me given the composition of coconut oil. Oil pulling takes some getting used to until the muscles involved in the process are built up a bit.

Art

[Trixiedee]

I have periodontal disease too. Can’t seem to get rid of it. One of my teeth is loose.

[jimcaster in reply to Trixiedee]

I encourage you to combat it any way you can... Good luck!

[parkie13]

Meanwhile you can start using hydrogen peroxide 3% that you find at Walmart and grocery stores. My husband was battling periodontal disease for many many years. Since he's been rinsing his mouth morning and night and using a waterpik with water and peroxide mixed his gums are just fine. He was just getting ready to go for a deep cleaning, the kind they have to unesthesize your whole mouth. The last time that he went to see the dentist, the dentist just told him to keep on doing what he's been doing. Another plus is no more bad breath. I've been using peroxide for many years now. I wish I knew about it when I was just a young girl I probably wouldn't have any cavities. My husband swore up and down by Listerine, that stuff never did any good for anybody. All it does, burns your mouth. If you are sensitive to hydrogen peroxide you can start out by mixing it with water to your mouth gets used to it.

[jimcaster in reply to parkie13]

I do use a waterpik. I'll use hydrogen peroxide instead of listerine. Thanks for the tip!

[JohnPepper]

I have Pemphigus, which affects the gums and palate. It started in 2009. I have learned to live with it. I use an electric toothbrush, which helps a lot and I don't use any toothpaste, which was recommended by a dental hygienist. I have had Pd symptoms since 1963 and was on;y diagnosed in 1992. I have lived Pd medication-free since 2002

[park_bear in reply to JohnPepper]

John, that is very interesting. The closest match for the appearance of the troubled area of of my gums is pemphigoid also. Yet I'm skeptical because I do not have this anywhere else on my body. I think this is a yet unstudied consequence of Parkinson's. Do you have any pemphigoid appearances in places other than the gums?

[JohnPepper in reply to park_bear]

Hi Parkbear. When I was diagnosed in the beginning, I was told I had Pemphigus, which is a fatal condition. That was after having had four different pieces cut out of mouth tissue. I had that in 2010 and was given another year to live, at that point,

My late wife was not one to share her anxieties with anybody and she literally worried herself to death the following year. After she died, the wife of a fellow art student, whose husband was a dental specialist, examined me and said I did not have Pemphigus I had Pemphigoid, which ism not fatal. So my late wife died because she dreaded being left alone.

The four different pieces of flesh taken from my mouth were all different, gums, tongue, palate and under the tongue.

I still have the bleeding gums, not all the time, and the blood patches on the pillow to prove it.

I don't know if that helps you.

[park_bear in reply to JohnPepper]

Yes thanks for your account. I was aware that proper diagnosis required biopsy and I chose not to pursue that part.

My condolences regarding your wife.

[park_bear in reply to JohnPepper]

My problem is poor gum adhesion in the affected area leading to tooth root decay and loss. Have you had similar issues and if so were you able to do anything about them?

[JohnPepper in reply to park_bear]

Hi park_bear. My problem was bleeding. I don't think it had anything tom do with the roots.

[ddmagee1]

I spent a year going to treatments and dental repairs, addressing periodontal disease. It did affect me, and I’m doing much better now. It was expensive, but worth it, in the long run.

[Marcia123 in reply to ddmagee1]

Did you go to a biological dentist and get your mercury fillings removed as well? I believe that dental pathogens and mercury are toxic to our bodies.

[ddmagee1 in reply to Marcia123]

I had my remaining teeth removed and have “false” teeth now!

[glenandgerry]

My husband (PWP) used to have bleeding gums. An electric toothbrush helped but the best thing was a product silvestrov recommended here on HU sometime ago - Ora MD. It's a bit expensive here in the UK as it's made in the USA, but for us it's definitely been worth it, & I would thoroughly recommend.

[munchybunch in reply to glenandgerry]

Yep that stuffs amazing. I use it too and the dentist can’t believe the difference.

[alexask]

As well as fluoride I purchased some Xylitol powder, which I swill around for quite a while and spit out which is supposed to kill that bacteria.

A quick google reveals

Xylitol Inhibits Inflammatory Cytokine Expression Induced by Lipopolysaccharide from Porphyromonas gingivalis

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

....Taken together with these data, xylitol may be a promising candidate as both an anticaries and an antiperiodontitis agent. We have shown here for the first time that xylitol can inhibit the periodontopathic effects induced by P. gingivalis LPS. To confirm the property of xylitol as an antiperiodontitis agent, further studies of xylitol on other inflammatory cytokines and other related factors are required.

[MBAnderson]

I had it, but was able to treat it with Picksters (they come in different sizes) For pushing between your teeth at the gumline, then a long, thorough Rinse with hydrogen peroxide, Electric toothbrush and WaterPik, at least twice a day. After You use the hydrogen peroxide, don't rinse your mouth for a few minutes. If you want to be real Fanatic, do it after each meal.

[PDGal4]

I have advanced periodontal disease and have had since my early 30's, so for thirty years. Despite quarterly cleanings, deep cleanings, water pic, etc. etc. it keeps advancing. I do think Rytary made it worse (and all meds can, I suppose, if they dry your mouth out, you don't have enough saliva to kill off bacteria). I wish I'd been told years ago to use a water pic, and not just last year when my gums took a turn for the worse. I was told by the hygienist to use Listerine; I will check on peroxide.

I do wonder if there's a connection. My parents both had periodontal disease (and I'd always heard it was inherited). My father had PD, my mother dementia. It used to be linked to heart disease.

[Maria2008]

hello

I have been suffering from periodontal deseise for over 10 years. I am actually much worse. I couldn't eat my lunch without much pain. I have been investigating because I only had relief when I was on a vegan diet and I wonder why. It kept me thinking. What have changed other than i stopped my meds for my cancer operation. Then I remember:i was on B12 everyday and vitamin D(but i did take V-D for 10 years and calcium and _no_ sucess). I also have RA. So I did a bit of research and I found out:

RA and B12 google search:

The ability to absorb vitamin B-12 from food decreases with age. ... Research Note: Vitamin B12 reduces homocysteine, an amino acid found at high levels in people with rheumatoid arthritis (RA). Even moderately elevated homocysteine is associated with an increased risk of fractures in older adults.

b12 and gum disease

The Benefits of B12. ... In other words, study participants who tested as having the lowest B12 levels were more likely to suffer from advanced gum disease. Even more troubling, researchers also found a direct correlation between low levels of B12 and an increased risk of tooth loss.

So today I started B12 again as I had 3 botles left from last year and I felt better, less pain. I wil carry out and letyou know. I need to heal this bleeding gums before my dental review.

Desperate to get cure: i also order some gum healing gel and other gum products from amazon. is this what dentists and doctors not tell you?

[Maria2008]

I started B12 , 3 days ago and my gums stopped bleeding. In my case was because of Metratrexade for RA since I started 1 month ago.

[munchybunch]

Try Ora md. It’s amazing !!

[damiante]

Hello, i don't know if it is true or not linking gum disease to alzheimer disease, but i like to tell you in my family on my mother side, she had gum disease all her life in fact she had no teeth at some point, even her sister, her mother, my mom passed away and she was 95 yrs old and no one in her family had alzheimer, not even parkinson, i read that it's also linked with heart disease, diabetes and so on..should we believe everything that we read?

[aspergerian13]

Periodontal inflammatory disease is associated with the risk of Parkinson’s disease: a population-based retrospective matched-cohort study.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

50 cite Zlotnik 2015: Disorders of the oral cavity in Parkinson’s disease and parkinsonian syndromes.

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[park_bear in reply to aspergerian13]

This association seems to work in reverse as well:

frontiersin.org/articles/10...