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Deb, this deal with Chris curing cancer has zero science to support it. It’s quackery that can be dangerous. We have so many vulnerable people on here wishing for natural cures that can believe this type of stuff and maybe delay life saving science based therapies.
Everyone is free to choose whatever therapy they want, but I think health unlocked discourages promoting scam cancer sites like this to others. I don’t mean to sound harsh, but this is a proven scam site you have linked to.
Please see the site linked to below which exposes the Chris cured cancer thing as pure quackery :
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Everyone, please don't waste your time watching this advertising for a money making scam. It's based on Chris Wark's totally incorrect belief that you can't beat solid cancer by just surgery. In short, Chris had bowel cancer, had it removed by a surgeon who recommended chemotherapy on the sound evidential basis that it would slightly increase Chris's survival likelihood. Chris refused the recommended chemotherapy and incorrectly credited his survival to his lifestyle changes. Statistically he still had about a 2 in 3 chance of survival without chemo. By all means improve your fitness and diet, as there is good scientific evidence that doing so will provide health and quality of life benefits, but it is highly unlikely to make much of a difference to your CLL. See healthunlocked.com/cllsuppo...
You can waste your money by paying for Chris's publications, etc, or even having a paid appointment with him, or you can trust in proven clinical trial based findings that nowadays are approaching 100% likelihood of giving you a remission from your CLL, with a cure tantalisingly close. Unfortunately for us, we can't get a surgeon to cut out our cancer 
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From Quack watch quackwatch.org/11Ind/wark.html
"He is a skillful storyteller and a talented marketer. He promotes a wide variety of unproven methods and exaggerates the risks of standard treatment. His advice against taking chemotherapy will put some cancer patients at unnecessary risk. He claims that he beat the odds against cancer by changing his diet and lifestyle and can teach you to do the same. I advise you to be skeptical."
There are plenty of other websites that expose Chris's quackery. This video is probably the most telling and includes the interesting fact that in about 3/4 of his featured testimonials, those giving them had at least one form of conventional treatment!
m.youtube.com/watch?v=foGsf...
If the above video doesn't play, copy the link below, paste it into your browser, then remove the space beween / / and press enter or whatever is needed to follow the link.
https:/ /m.youtube.com/watch?v=foGsf761dYI&feature=youtu.be
Neil
I'm not in no means agreeing with Chris, but what about all those people that he interviewed that went the same route? Refusing chemo, and doing alternative therapies, they all claim it worked for them as well. Again i won't ever put my life in danger but there are allot of people he interviewed that claim the same thing. Just curious.
Sushi, me telling you I had 12 friends who took eye of newt who told me it lowered their wbc is not science, it’s anecdotal evidence at best.
If anyone wants me to try eye of newt for my cll, I might try it. Point me to a clinical double blind study run at a respected major center where people took eye of newt vs a placebo or eye of newt vs ibrutinib and then let’s talk.
Read the link in my post above. This video has been totally exposed as a scam. A third of people with Cll never need treatment, but they could eat hot dogs and pizza and never treatment. It’s not green tea, pomegranates and eye of newt keeping their Cll indolent. It’s their favorable genetics.
It’s not only a scam, it’s a shameful money making scam. Just my two cents. I am completely open to any natural remedy, just show me the science, not eye of newt testimonials. Cancer treatments advertised on the internet relying primarily on testimonials for support are a red flag for me. Show me where eye of newt beat out ibrutinib as per multi-center studies at Mayo, MD Anderson and Dana Farber and where a cross section of respected cll doctors are prescribing eye of newt and I will be eating eye of newt for dessert tonight.
And i completely agree Jeff.
When you read/watch information about the outcomes of CLL clinical trials, you may recall seeing information about the type and severity of side effects of the trial participants and how long they survive. Can you find that information on his site?
factcheckingchrisbeatcancer...
Think about who controls what testimonials are presented and what might happen when those giving testimonials die from their cancer.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=xml7L...
sciencebasedmedicine.org/ch...
There is no legal requirement for Chris to provide information to an independent oversight body such as the FDA of how patients go that follow his advice.
Neil
I understand Neil I'm in no way disagreeing. I'm here to learn and Ask questions so i can be more educated to make the right decisions. that's why i love this site.😊 thanks Neil i value your advice all the time🤗.
To put it bluntly if someone took his advice, refused chemo, and died they won’t be around to tell us all about it would they?
And he doesn't post about those who have!
'Margaret Bermel is one of 7 persons Chris Wark has featured as a “healed survivor” who has died of cancer thus bringing the death rate among his “survivors” to about 10%. Her story is one of at least four that mysteriously disappeared from the ChrisBeatCancer.com web site after the death of the alleged cancer survivor.'
factcheckingchrisbeatcancer...
youtube.com/watch?v=foGsf76...
Neil
Sushi we all have a right to believe in whatever you choose to believe in. With that said, if there was truly a way to beat all cancers with a lifestyle change, don't you think you would be reading about it in the NY Times, Washington Post, and other National Media. It would be all over the place with hundreds of thousands of people jumping for joy.
With that said simply look around you today, and tell me if you can hear and see those thousands. It isnt because its a big closely held secret that you or somone else just discovered. While eating a vegetarian diet has been shown to decrease Cancer risk, it doesnt eliminate it nor does it cure it. Exercise helps decrease cancer risk, and helps other body ailments alot too, but it doesnt prevent or cure it. I'm not a vegetarian, and don't have the stomach to be one, but I will admit what I just told you is true. A Vegetarian diet actually has been proven to reverse heart disease (See Doctor Dean Ornitz work and web site). I admit Ornitz is right, but I just cant agree to go vegetarian; however, I admire those who can and have done so.
Don't be misled by what is pure nonsense. If you already have a form of cancer, then listen to your Specialists and take your best shot when the time is dictating it is necessary. We all want to hope for a true cure, and one day I believe the genetic approach will lead us there, but don't let hope lead you to being fooled into being harmed.
I think there is a balance between Eastern & Western medicine.
My family believes in Chris' message of building your immune system, exercise, plant based eating, detoxing your body and your environment and reducing stress. The cost of his book is minimal and his message is positive.
It makes me sad that every time someone post questions, on this site, regarding nutrition or healthy living they are attacked. My husbands CLL diagnose saved my families lives... we were so unhealthy before CLL and because of CLL and people like Chris we are living a cleaner healthier life.
Now the time may come when we need Western medicine but you can bet his immune system will be as healthy and strong as we can make it! How can that be a bad thing? Every person fighting this disease has their own path... and if Chris' message resonates with you you should do it.
Thank you debdetermine58 for having the courage to post SQ1's link!
I absolutely believe in healthy diet and exercise and try to live accordingly. But this is not about eastern vs western medicine. This is about promoting cancer cure by life style modification and is as such highly questionable and dangerous with the potential to mislead patients to forgo or delay potentially life prolonging or life saving treatment. While there have been reports in CLL patients of rare spontaneous remissions it cannot be traced to life style modification. I am saddened by so many links found on the internet promoting alternative cures for a very vulnerable and desperate patient population. Let’s do not promote those links on this site that has provided invaluable information to so many of us.
Very true👍
No one is attacking any message that exercise and diet is important and of benefit to our immune system. That is 100% true. All doctors agree we improve our chances with a healthy diet.
But Chris's message is that lifestyle changes and God cured his cancer. He makes a lot of money pushing that message and plays down the fact that surgery saved his life.
It is evident that some people are very vulnerable to such claims and when reading information like this process it in a way that they don't need proven life life saving proven medications and delay life saving treatments waiting for diet changes or God to cure them.
His message is probably killing people who have those types of cancers that require immediate therapy and delay treatment, just keeping it real. I have a good friend now delaying chemo his doctor prescribed for him while he uses natural products and prayer. I worry greatly for his health.
Everyone has a right to treat their cancer the way that they want to, even if that means no treatment and prayer. I respect your views and debs views.
But this is, to my understanding, a science based forum. Promoting treatments that lack science support has potential to harm people who are vulnerable.
I am not sure what you mean by Eastern medicine. I am all about the benefits of meditation and other things Eastern medicine has to offer.
Its not true at all that people on here are attacked for wanting to discuss healthy living. Promoting diet changes and belief in God as cures for cancer is not the same as just saying we would be better off eating healthy. Of course we would.
A year ago, when you posted "The truth about cancer" healthunlocked.com/cllsuppo...
Newdawn, one of our admins replied to you with these words:
"Many complementary therapies are very helpful as is a healthy diet and as much exercise as can be taken. Stress management is enormously important and being vigilant about necessary health checks, vaccinations and avoidance of highly infectious people.
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There’s many claims made by holistic, alternative therapists but on this site we prefer evidenced based care and treatment because there’s often no evidence beyond anecdotal that these therapies are suitable and not injurious for blood cancers."
So we encourage member's efforts to improve their health, but we want people to appreciate that these efforts can only do so much when we have what is currently considered an incurable cancer. What's most important, as you have recognised, is that when the time comes when we need Western Medicine, we should understand that our guarantee of a high chance of survival (evidence based) lies with Western medicine, not that based on anecdotal claims where you do not get the full story. Sadly there is very good evidence that those who forego Western medicine have a poorer outcome. According to this analysis of 2 million people over 20 years, those using alternative medicine were twice as likely to die within 5 years.
medium.com/@gidmk/complemen...
With regard to building your immune system with supplements when you have CLL, for nearly every supplement suggested in this forum that does this, I have found reputable studies that have found that they can boost B-lymphocyte production and hence CLL.
Neil
Good information.
I have to admit posts that promote sites where people make money making unsupported claims of curing cancer naturally do tend to evoke a maybe overly harsh reaction from me. I don’t know Chris. He could be a good guy who believes the claims he makes. He could be a charlatan profiting off cancer and vulnerable people. Maybe it’s somewhere in between, I don’t know.
I wonder what his theory is on childhood leukemias. I took a tour of St Judes for a fundraiser there. The infusion room is filled with five year olds getting chemo. The chapel is filled with parents of all faiths praying to god to save their children.
So did these children get leukemia from a poor diet? Should the doctors be feeding them broccoli and letting them drink green tea? Will meditation save them? Does the child who has the parents who pray the hardest survive while the child with atheist parents dies?
Or are we curing childhood leukemias at an amazing rate because of tremendous achievements in science that discovered chemo and other immunotherapy type treatments?
I wonder what Chris’s theory is for children with cancer. Diet change?
In the end it doesn’t matter to me much whether Chris is a good guy making money off cancer or a charlatan. His message carries a great risk that people will delay life saving treatments and think all they have to do is lead a healthier life and their body will heal them.
I do not equate requiring someone to show the science supporting their claims as attacking them. I am on ibrutinib and I think it’s saving my life. If anyone challenged me on it, in a matter of an hour I could link to dozens of clinical trials from the best cancer centers in the world proving it is effective. I would not feel attacked and I don't think it is attacking to request someone to show that cancer curing sites should be supported by science.
In my view, neither I nor the kids in st Jude got leukemia from eating cheeseburgers nor are diet changes going to cure it. But of course, the kids and I would all benefit from a healthy diet, but that diet isn’t stopping cancer cell division. And as for eating more fruits and vegetables, I don’t need to send Chris a check to tell me eating better makes me healthier.
saying that lifestyle change will not cure cancer, in and of itself, is not an attack on changing one's life to be more healthy. Anyone in their right mind would and should admit that a better diet, exercise, and mental health approach can dramatically increase one's risk of survival with cancer. It would take a fool to disagree with that. Simply put however lifestyle change alone will not cure a large number of cancers. It may help prevent them before they start up, but not cure them once the body is invaded.
My Brother Matt is a physician (Opthalmologist) up in the mountains outside Denver, and he is finishing a new book on lifestyle and diet with respect to disease and aging. He told me he is picking up where Dean Ornitz left off, and told me to read up on Ornitz. I did and learned that a Vegetarian Diet can reverse heart disease, but nothing about reversing cancers. My Brother did tell me about an experiment he researched with Vegetarian and Meat Eaters blood serum and prostate cancer cells. I can't say here what the results are, but I can tell you it opened my mind alot about the virtues of being vegetarian. Still I resist and am not vegetarian; however, I am eating alot healthier thanks to my Brother.
Hi! 🙋♀️ bbaac5, Aww, Thank You for the positive feedback❤. You are in the minority, I received such negative responses. I truly never meant to offend anyone, I have been trying to apologize to as many members as possible. Some of my friends are fighting Cancer too, they were trying to help me. I'm fairly new and at Stage 0 right now my WBC IS 36,000 AT THE MOMENT. SO NICE TO MEET YOU!!! I try to eat a few healthy things, I am taking Arbonne Imune Booster that gives me energy too, I'm not promoting it but it helps me. Thanks again 🙋♀️ You friend in Heslth, Debbie.🙋♀️🤗
"My cancer tumor was surgically removed, but that is not what cured my cancer"
Yeah right.
Thanks for all the more thoughtful replies y'all.
If Chris could beat cancer... it would be a revolution in the medical world. Wait... I haven't heard of this revolution yet! Then I must suppose that Chris is doing a big informercial for himself... on the back of desperate people suffering of cancer. No Chris, you are not a hero to me.
Pharmaceutical is just a big money making business. And Pharmaceutical are the biggest scam money makers not with just cancer but most medical illnesses
Thanks for posting this. It’s concerning to me how angry people are over a suggestion to watch a FREE video series from someone. Chris has advice for those preventing cancer and healing from it, including those who want to be as healthy as possible during conventional treatment. It’s amazing that we grow up learning to eat fruits and vegetables to stay healthy and strong, but we react with anger and hate when someone suggests we eat them when we become sick.
Chris Wark has already improved my life. I am a 38-year-old new mom who was diagnosed when my baby was 2 months old. I’m healthier and stronger mentally and physically than I was that day thanks to him. He has never promised that those following his protocol won’t someday need conventional treatment. But I am currently living a better life with my family due to him.
Hating people who suggest healthy living is odd. Chris Wark makes his living helping people—but often offers his program for free, like this month. And, I hope we don’t think the medical industry is NOT making a ton of money off of us!
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No one here advocates against eating healthy foods or living a healthy lifestyle. And no one here wants to throw out these pursuits towards health when we become sick.
The issue is about false claims about curing cancer.
These responses are out of concern for those who may follow Chris' approach as a self cure to their own peril and death by foregoing treatment that actually works. That is not about hatred.
Perceiving those with this kind of concern for others as hatred, is rather odd.
Gatorbite• in reply to
Thanks for the response. I guess when I see people calling him names and questioning his faith, it seems hateful. But, perhaps that’s not the intention. I’ve watched Chris’s entire video series, and he never tells people to deny conventional treatment. He himself had surgery, and he doesn’t claim otherwise.
It's not anger, but concern about someone doing very well financially at the potential cost of others' lives following his programmes. It's great that you have benefited from what you have learned from him, particularly given your age and family responsibilities - but please follow your specialist's advice when it comes time for treatment to ensure that you have the best chance of seeing your baby become an adult and perhaps gift you with grandchildren.
The primary problem is that Chris downplays the ~64% likelihood that his surgeon cured his cancer as he does other proven curative treatments. He says he personally doesn't believe that surgery cures cancer, which is most definitely not the case and is a VERY dangerous message to share with people who would like to avoid surgery, etc for their cancer. We KNOW that people who put off traditional treatment, most famously Steve Jobs, the CEO of Apple who lost his life to a rare and surgery curable form of pancreatic cancer, fare less well. THAT'S the danger in Chris's message.
If we give Chris the benefit of the doubt, which given his proven removal of testimonials from his Facebook page* is difficult to accept, then his message IS unnecessary costing some of those who follow his advice their lives. You can get good advice on lifestyle changes elsewhere, including here, without the accompanying disparagement of proven cures.
Neil
* Here's the video about the person who took the time to analyse the changes to Chris's testimonials, proving he removes those of patients who died following his advice. youtube.com/watch?v=foGsf76...
The Fact Checking Chris Beat Cancer link is also worth reading, factcheckingchrisbeatcancer... - and highlights the dangerous biases in Chris's message. Is it wise to trust your cancer treatment advice to someone who gets it so wrong?
Neil
It always upsets me a little when I read how this is perceived Gatorbite because nobody wants the notion of a ‘us and them’ in our fight against cancer. I absolutely and totally embrace the notion of healthy living to supplement and sustain us in this battle with CLL but get very nervous when unproven methods insinuate themselves into the minds of the most desperate as an alternative cure. I can remember a certain well known individual pushing his cannabis oil and reading that he urged cancer sufferers to dismiss chemo and treat themselves instead with his potions. The advice was even to apply it to malignant melanomas. As I’d just had a melanoma surgically removed and lost an acquaintance from an advanced stage, it terrified me that there may be some desperate enough to try this.
I’m delighted to hear that whatever you’ve been doing has improved your quality of life particularly as your quite young to have CLL. I’m even more reassured that you recognise that this is to work alongside and not as an alternative to conventional treatment. Our primary concern is to prevent people from chasing empty rainbows from claims that are more anecdotal than proven.
Healthy living is multi-faceted and I wish you well going forward.
Newdawn
No offense meant , but you are twisting words of what is being said. Over and over and over again on all threads like this, most every single person on here advocates healthy eating. All top cll experts advocate healthy living. We don't need a "free" video to tell us that.
His "free" video is very much like the the "free" lunch you get offered when you land in Cabo. Its free all right, but you have to sit through an hour long promotional video to sell you a timeshare. Chris's video is promotional and it is frequently linked to on here, often by folks with very little posting history. That is not to say that you or deb are not legit cll posters, but it is to say that companies who promote alternative cancer treatments create alter egos to push these things on cancer sites like this. We are the target audience, are we not?
I do not hate on Chris, I do not know him. As I wrote earlier, he could be a sincere person who believes in his message, even though he monetizes it. Or he could be knowingly pushing a false narrative that good food and god cure cancer. Either way, he is sending a dangerous message
Its a very dangerous message that you have not addressed. His message is anti traditional cancer therapy that can induce people to delay life saving cancer proven therapies while they think eating better and praying to god will save them. Did god help him decide he should make a profit off of cancer victims?
And yes, the medical industry does profit off our cancer. The big difference there being that the treatments they give us are proven to work through a series of clinical trials run by the best cll physicians in the world.
So please don't twist what the objection to his message is. The objection to this video is not that it promotes healthy living. The objection is that it is a promotional video, designed to get you to send money to Chris in support of his false claims that diet and prayer can cure our cancer.
Chris's big brag is he ignored medical advice and cured himself with food, after his tumor was removed. Coaching people to not choose chemo treatments they need is dangerous. Its borderline criminal in my book.
Hi! Gatorbite🙋♀️, nice to meet you!!! Congrats new Mom, and to your bundle of joy👶 who is growing leaps and bounds❤. I'm glad you were helped by his suggestions🌝. I am not promoting Chris I was just happy to learn about improving ones health and videos were free as you mentioned. I totally agree that the Pharma industry is making zillions of dollars and the buyer beware we are the last to know about the devastating side effects , yes they mention it. It is a risk one takes, as they say. Everyone walks a different path as to choosing medication, diet, and/ or conventional treatment. I wish you the best of Health in your CLL journey🙋♀️👍🤗, your friend in Health , Debbie.
your right and usa make something like 500 billion a year on cancer so who making money or the biggest money makers of cancer patients
Hi Gary,
From where did you get your $500 billion figure for the USA? According to the several figures provided by chemoth.com/economics , none come anywhere close to your $500 billion figure. The total global pharmaceutical sales of which cancer sales is only is portion is estimated this year to be in excess of $900 billion :
The Chemotherapy Drug Industry
The National Institutes of Health estimates direct medical costs for cancer will be at least $158 billion in 2020. One industry analyst put the size of the global chemotherapy market at $97 billion in 2017. The analysis group EvaluatePharma estimated total oncology sales in 2018 is $123.8 billion (out of a total prescription medicine market of $864 billion). Deloitte projects global sales of pharmaceuticals to excess $900 billion in 2020.
Neil
Hi Deb,
The uncertainty that comes with a cancer diagnosis is frightening to say the least, and it is common that this fear produces anxiety and despair. For a time after I was diagnosed, many well meant individuals offered me information to help alleviate this anxiety.
What I believe many of us have learned in nut shell is that the testimonial cures are the least credible and the evidences are subjective rather than fact based merits.
In the beginning of our search for curative knowledge these testimonials seem to provide hope, however, soon one finds that the information that has no scientific credibility actually deters us from sound evidences. There is such an overwhelming amount of credible science data available for CLL that even if one stays focused on that which pertains to us as individuals, it can be a challenge to consume.
The upside is that looking for hope and sharing concern is a great human character quality.
Thank You sharing a positive thought,
JM
Hi Smakwater, 🙋♀️ I understand and yes I know they are not credible and just testimonials. I was just trying to suggest some healthy ways that may help. I understand in this forum specific drugs that are usually mentioned are truly helpful. Personally I'm not on any being at stage 0. Right now I try to incorporate some healthy veggies, vitamins, juices, and bone broth protein powder, which helps my bad back too🌝. But thank you for seeing some positiveness with my feelings🤗, yours in Health , Debbie.🙋♀️
There is no doubt that eating healthy is beneficial.
Take care of yourself
I had a wonderful chat with an elderly man today at my doctors office. He believes in his 💜 that his pastor can put hands on anyone and cure all diseases and suffering. I listened to what he had to say and thanked him for the informative conversation. I guess where I'm going with this is everyone has something they believe in. I may not believe exactly what they believe but I can if I choose. I do think it is important to eat healthy and exercise but I don't think it is a cure for CLL. Thanks for sharing though very enlightening.
Hi! Cancerwarrior, its Debbie. I do belive that sweet elderly gentleman was a man of faith😇. I was raised Catholic/Christian . I love God😇. Miracles do happen in Gods time I believe. It has been documented that that the Power of prayer helps with stress, and the healing process. It can't hurt. One aspect I know, its not the Pastor healing , it's God. The Pastor is an intermediary, that God is working through.😇❤. I know we shouldn't talk about Religion or politics. I dont want to offend anyone I'm just making an observation. I have an expression about life... whatever works. Years ago when I taught little ones and they had a boo-boo and cried i told them , I am going to put peanut butter on it😂 they would laugh and forgot about the pain🤗. Take care, your friend in Health🙋♀️ Debbie.
never is chemo or radiotherapy . 90% when you die its not the cancer what kills you its the medication,s
Hi Gary,
Again, you are making claims without evidence. Where did you find mention of 90% of CLL patients dying due to the medications? According to this paper published in Blood, which found the reason for 82% of CLL patient deaths in a 12 year study, Disease Progression and Complications Are the Main Cause of Death in Patients with Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia (CLL) Independent of Age and Comorbidities at Diagnosis
The cause of death could be accurately determined in 183 (82%) of these patients. The cause of death was due to CLL in 135 (74%), including 84 (46%) CLL progressions, 14 (8%) infections, and 37 (20%) other cancers. Death was due to non-CLL-related causes (such as congestive heart failure, stroke or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) in the remaining 48 (26%) patients.
ashpublications.org/blood/a...
Neil
