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Where is the new shielding advice?

2greys
2greys

"The UK’s official number of new positive cases shot up by nearly a thousand on Friday to 4,322, the highest since May 8, after a separate ONS model pointed to about 6,000 new cases a day in England in the week to Sept. 10".

ca.reuters.com/article/idUK...

Whilst here on this forum, I think we all know what to do (or have continued to do) but what has happened about the re-introduction of shielding advice to the rest of the 2 million plus "Clinically Extremely Vulnerable".

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oldestnewest

Exactly what i am thinking no mention so far amazing how the strategy has changed mitigation +++

2greys
2greys in reply to soul-123

The numbers far exceed what they were when shielding officially stopped, at the end of July. We have been conveniently forgotten about. Until the hospital admissions begin to soar again that is; talk about feeling used and treated as cannon fodder instead of people.

soul-123
soul-123 in reply to 2greys

Very sad situation the stress levels are now high and affecting breathing ,they really have no idea about the implications of actions or non actions on the vulnerable groups.

JasperDylan
JasperDylan in reply to 2greys

Hi the numbers will increase due to the amount of people being tested

It doesn’t say that all these people that tested positive are confined to bed or layed up at home

The hospitals aren’t being filled with these patients they are mainly at home having to stay in for 14 days

I have got two hospital appoints coming up in the next 3 weeks they haven’t been cancelled

All we can do is stay safe but don’t lock yourself away like we did earlier this year ,

2greys
2greys in reply to JasperDylan

"the numbers will increase due to the amount of people being tested"

In that case, why are there so many areas under special measures already?

2greys
2greys in reply to JasperDylan

Having just watched Chris Whitty, he also disagrees with "the numbers will increase due to the amount of people being tested"

JasperDylan
JasperDylan in reply to 2greys

I'm sorry but if you believe what he says about testing not going to increase the amount of people with this virus

How the hell are the figures going up

You cant get to see your doctor do he cant diagnose if you have it ?

The testings are into thousand thounow

2greys
2greys in reply to JasperDylan

You can see/hear for yourself:

youtube.com/watch?v=4itfDal...

Or watch Dr. John here:

youtube.com/watch?v=dG-YgiU...

I will not argue over it because you can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink.

Kakariki
Kakariki in reply to 2greys

Yes it looks like we are being sent over the top first I for one am feeling very forgotten by this government we have suddenly become invisible

2greys
2greys in reply to Kakariki

Once hospital admissions go on a rapid rise, watch them change their tune. Just as in the spring, it will not about protecting us at all, but protecting the NHS as it is the vulnerable that is likely to swell admission numbers. Of course I have no doubt it will be shrouded to appear as protecting us, to make it them look good. Smoke and mirrors again.

Damon1864
Damon1864Volunteer

It with me be another long wait to see what the government advises us to do next. Have a goodnight and take care 😊 Bernadette and Jack 🐕 xxxx

Sadly I've felt the need to say no to a friend for meeting for lunch she wanted to eat in a very small restaurant and she does have a tendency to disregard caution. I don't think I will be seeing this friend now for rest of 2020.

I've only been to outdoor eating place while weather is fine with safe distancing even outside and one time inside with very good measures in place + good ventilation. I don't think people are bothered about being extra cautious now.

soul-123
soul-123 in reply to Bkin

Same feeling only been in contact with one friend now decided we are back to square one going to stop until there is any improvement if any!

Dubba61
Dubba61 in reply to Bkin

You are right to do so Bkin. We can't trust our Government to protect us and so, must do it ourselves. Since beginning of March (I decided to isolate because it was obvious what was coming). I have been out just once. For Birthday tea with Family. I shop just once a week because I can't get everything in one on-line delivery and I must admit, I'm scared when I do. So many careless people about!

Bkin
Bkin in reply to Dubba61

I am not reliant or dependent on any one else to help me, just myself. Except tescos delivery slot turning up with the goods :) safer than shopping I find.

Kakariki
Kakariki in reply to Dubba61

I'm exactly the same I get as much as possible on line but have to go out at least once a fortnight when I get back I'm soaking with sweat I can feel the panick as I pull up been today some of the staff in Asda weren't wearing masks I had to use the self service checkout and as usual something went wrong an assistant came over no mask and stood at the side of me putting things through I had to step back and on a day when we are told to be more cautious as 2nd wave us coming

Dubba61
Dubba61 in reply to Kakariki

Yes, it's hard isn't it? I see no one at present except my neighbour who has a debilitating illness and never goes out. We share a very 'distanced' Coffee break for an hour a day. Without that I would be extremely isolated. At the beginning we just spoke on the Phone. As a past sufferer of Agoraphobia, I am very much afraid that, if it goes on much longer, I shall be to frightened to go out ever again!

In today’s news the USA has lost approximately 200k to the virus as the experts did say would happen last March. People are letting their guard down as this virus drags on.

Unfortunately, the article didn't publish the rather interesting ONS graph which The Spectator editor has used on Twitter (twitter.com/FraserNelson/st...). The ONS survey indicates a similar level of infection in late July, when official figures showed very low numbers. The discrepancy seems inexplicable.

On the issue of shielding, I think you're right to be concerned about the lack of guidance in this area. It has always been my opinion that a better approach would have been to introduce a more gradual, but earlier, lockdown initially and then to lift it gradually; all that time the most vulnerable would have been shielded until it was clear that the risk of infection *for them* was reduced to acceptable levels. Lifting lockdown for everyone simultaneously was, I believe, a mistake, borne of the idea that a simple one-size-fits-all approach was best, and more readily understood and acceptable; unfortunately, COVID doesn't see it that way, and discriminates very heavily against the most vulnerable.

leo60
leo60 in reply to Superzob

I think shielding was lifted too early too. Apparently (!) done for the benefit of our mental health!! My mental health deteriorated at the stress of working in a supermarket! And now my financial health is looking rocky too!! xx

I went for my flu vacc yesterday which is being run with efficiency of an army manoevre in a local church hall by the woman who should be in charge of the NHS. Our Practice Manager. In addition to the vacc, every patient was greeted by a troop of volunteers and as they arrived and she was checking if anyone was overdue blood tests etc. Appointments were made there and then to get everybody up to date ( me included)

Every vulnerable patient was given a bag containing a huge packet of wipes, gel and a 4 layered cloth mask. The practice has purchased home testing kits and patients with symptoms can email to collect one or have it delivered if too ill.

A quizzical look from me -

The reply ' we are making our own preparations for what is coming'

I think that says it all.

Izb1
Izb1 in reply to Littlepom

Your last statement " we are making our own preparations for what is coming" LP frightens me more than anything else x

Littlepom
Littlepom in reply to Izb1

I’m so sorry if my answer caused you to be frightened. I take a lot of comfort from her statement. We all know that cases are rising again and from the members’ replies, it is obvious that we are using our common sense to protect ourselves. Having had experience of the first wave, we don’t need a government which is struggling with an ever changing situation and the failure of the people appointed to administer the testing system to tell us what to do.

It is good for me that my surgery have taken matters into their own hands as regards aquiring testing kits and looking after their patients.

Do try not to be too anxious. We are all in this together, we got through the first wave mostly covid free and we will get through this second wave.x

2greys
2greys in reply to Littlepom

Yes, members mostly escaped it and as far as I know nobody here has past away from it which is great news.

Izb1
Izb1 in reply to Littlepom

I wouldnt feel so scared if my gp surgery employed the same care that your does, sadly like Sassy I dont feel cared for at my practice x

Kakariki
Kakariki in reply to Izb1

Your not alone I don't get the same care from mine either

Izb1
Izb1 in reply to Kakariki

Im sure we are in the thousands that feel like this sadly x

Otto11
Otto11 in reply to Littlepom

Wow! How sensible your practise is. Scary though 🙁

Your GP practice sounds fantastic. I wish mine were the same x

Patk1
Patk1 in reply to Littlepom

Thats great,ours was " yr name,dob,had flu jab before? .just stood up and injected,without even saying " sharp scrath"! Nurse was at desk - i expected her to do it,as previous yrs..but no - i thought he was going to wipe my arm..but no,straight in with needle,no warning.that was it.

Re shielding,we can access all sorts of detail about + results etc etc.i prefer to do my own research, do as i think best & take responsibility to protect myself, as the govt let us all down. Wehavent eaten out since march.im not seeing friends yet,feels right for me to just see family.stay safe everyone & do what u can to protect yrself x

Littlepom
Littlepom in reply to Patk1

Yes, I agree with you. I have had two careful outings since July which included a meal out. Otherwise I am taking each day as it comes. I believe that we are safer using our gut feeling and common sense. I am not into blaming the government and being a conservative with a small c, I prefer to make my own decisions rather than rely on governments of whatever persuasion and dodgy scientists playing with computers to tell me ( too late it seems) what to do.

2greys
2greys in reply to Littlepom

I think that on here, where we support each other, we are constantly reminding ourselves to be very careful. But out in the wider world there are those who are no longer "the sharpest knives in the drawer", through no fault of their own I might add, those that have dropped their guard and slipped back into the lifestyle they have known for all their long lives. I think you know those that I mean, those that live on autopilot, it is they that need reminding to take that extra care now.

Littlepom
Littlepom in reply to 2greys

Yes very true

Kakariki
Kakariki in reply to 2greys

Very true that is my worry seems to me a lot have let there guard down

2greys
2greys in reply to Patk1

I had mine yesterday. It took place in the car park of the parent practice. It literally took 30 secs. Walk into the car park up to one desk to check in, then 4 metres to the next desk up with my tee shirt sleeve, no alcohol wipe and all over and done with, I did not even feel it. Very efficient.

Kakariki
Kakariki in reply to 2greys

Got mine on 10th oct don't know what procedure will be

Dubba61
Dubba61 in reply to Patk1

My experience with Flu jab, was just the same. Yes, your right we.have to take responsibility for ourselves. I isolated 3 weeks before Gov told us too, it was obvious what was coming. I'm alone and no near family so it is difficult. Stay safe Patk.

Patk1
Patk1 in reply to Dubba61

Oh dear.i really feel 4u as im fortunate with my family near & dont know how idve managed otherwise.ive persevered wearing masks & used to thm now.can u wear face covering so u feel safer going out,too? Xxxx

sassy59
sassy59 in reply to Littlepom

I think I’d like to move to where you are Littlepom. I don’t feel we’re cared about in this area sadly. What a wonderful Practice Manager you have. She’s a star. Xxx

Littlepom
Littlepom in reply to sassy59

Sadly sassy, I’m afraid that most experiences are more like yours than mine, even in this area. My two closest friends, 75 and 80, live in Kenilworth. Their practice has no fu vacc availability until November! Like you, they are going to the chemist this week. Our practice start purchasing and planning in January, why can’t they all do the job properly !

sassy59
sassy59 in reply to Littlepom

That’s awful. November isn’t good enough in my opinion. Stay safe Littlepom. Xxxx

Patk1
Patk1 in reply to Littlepom

Thats bad.my gps also separated ages,under 65s to left,overs to right,with hca outside directing us...herding cattle popped into my mind,or sheepdip day 🤣.my sense of humour lol x

Littlepom
Littlepom in reply to Patk1

At least they are making a good effort to get everybody protected before they lock us all in again.

shouty
shouty in reply to Littlepom

That is just brilliant if only others could do the same. What an amazing woman.

Kakariki
Kakariki in reply to Littlepom

Yes that sounds a great practise and looks like a good warning of what's to come

this page updated 4 September 2020 gov.uk/government/publicati...

If transmission of COVID-19 increases

You could be advised to shield again if the situation changes and there is an increase in the transmission of COVID-19 in the community.

Your name will be kept securely on the shielded patient list by NHS Digital. We will write to you if the advice changes. Any national changes will be reflected in this guidance.

In the event of a local lockdown, see the information below and visit your local authority’s website for further guidance.

If you’re clinically extremely vulnerable, you are advised not to enter any area where shielding advice is in place.

youtu.be/1CUrxdTd1bc

I have emailed No. 10 with an enquiry regarding the paused shielding and the current situation. Figured nothing to lose and nothing much on TV 😅. If I get any response I'll let you know.

I read earlier in one of the newspapers that supermarket delivery slots are getting booked up fast in anticipation of another lockdown. I hope thay we don't all struggle again and that panic buying doesn't start again. I hope too that it isn't going to be a repeat of the situation in the spring with another great loss of life.

When I was in hospital in July the staff on the ward were all expecting, waiting for and dreading the second wave. In my local hospital every ward had cared for patients with covid 19 and they said that it was horrendous.

I really hope that workable restrictions are introduced and that the public take heed for everyone's sake.

yesilkedi
yesilkedi in reply to CDPO16

Ocado and Asda have plenty of slots, this is just scaremongering by irresponsible journalists, designed to throw us all into panic.

CDPO16
CDPO16 in reply to yesilkedi

Tesco, Ocado and Sainsburys have reported an increase in demand in parts of the country with slots filling up fast.

leo60
leo60 in reply to CDPO16

I didn’t think about different parts of the country varying!! 😂 I will be watching carefully though! Xx

leo60
leo60 in reply to CDPO16

Tesco also has masses of slots! Thank goodness :) xx

CDPO16
CDPO16 in reply to leo60

Tesco, Ocado and Sainsburys have reported an increase in demand in parts of the country with slots filling up fast.

Dubba61
Dubba61 in reply to leo60

Our little Tesco doesn't have any slots. Luckily Iceland does and have been very reliable, during this time.

Kakariki
Kakariki in reply to leo60

Yes Tesco has plenty I just book mine every two weeks in advance

yesilkedi
yesilkedi in reply to CDPO16

I had a delivery this morning, from Ocado, and spoke to the delivery driver about the situation. He said they have been warned about a possible increase in deliveries but not to worry as they are far better prepared this time. If you are on the vulnerable list this won't change and you will still have priority.

Without giving any opinion on the stance, my understanding is that simultaneous, nationwide shielding is considered unlikely because of - and I’m paraphrasing here, these aren’t my words - the deeper understanding of the illness we have now and a better grasp on the situation generally. The Welsh Assembly have confirmed this to be their stance in the last 24 hours, and shielding would only be reintroduced there as a ‘last resort’. Areas in England with local lockdowns are generally advising extremely clinically vulnerable patients to resume shielding, but shielding lists have been updated and I’m given to believe that a fairly significant number of people who were previously told they should shield are no longer included. I’ve mentioned before that the child, and about 90% of all children who were originally included across all medical conditions, is no longer on the list, despite the fact that for all the outcomes have been reassuringly positive generally, the number of cf patients having had a confirmed case to date is less than 0.2% of the cohort. Scotland are not currently looking to resume shielding advice, but will review as required. I’m not sure what the situation is in NI.

No two ways about it, I really am feeling increasingly concerned and twitchy for both of us. I found out via the school closed fb group that one of Bod’s 3 classmates was off and awaiting a test as of Tuesday. As was another child in the year above. I can only assume (hope/pray) that as we haven’t heard anything, the result in both cases was negative. I asked our CFNS a few weeks back what should I do about the child if I get it, to be somewhat unhelpfully be told we’d worry about that if it happens, but the bigger problem really is if Bod gets it, because there’s no choice then but for me to remain in close quarters, and by current evidence and standards, I’m considered much more vulnerable than she is right now.

Personally I do think people should use their common sense and we don’t have to wait for the government to advise us. Majorly of them really don’t understand what it feels like to be a “ vulnerable adult” anyway

I'm in Scotland and I've just had a letter from the Scottish government advising of the current situation and saying they will tell me if shielding has to happen again. Nicola Sturgeon does a daily briefing. All I can say is I'm glad to be in Scotland.

2greys
2greys in reply to Bronchi1

Nicola Sturgeon has continued with her daily briefings, whereas Boris Johnson quit doing them,

"he was not prepared to do daily briefings – not his style, as he only likes good news and grandiose plans, contracts for private companies to deliver testing and tracing and anyone other than him to do the day-to-day grind and communication which is even more necessary now that winter is coming, schools are back and universities are re-opening."

thenational.scot/news/18717...

Angelagone
Angelagone in reply to 2greys

Scandalous the way we're told nothing. Why not a once a week briefing just to keep us up to date on latest developments. If Johnson isn't up to the job, he should stand down. Grrrr!

Bronchi1
Bronchi1 in reply to Angelagone

Write to him and tell him! I agree , its absolutely unacceptable that he isn't leading at least a weekly briefing. Such poor leadership from that man!!!

Dubba61
Dubba61 in reply to Bronchi1

I often wish I were in Scotland Bronchi. Seeing the News, your Gov seem to have a much better handle on things.

Bronchi1
Bronchi1 in reply to Dubba61

Have to say even folk that didnt support Nichola Sturgeon before do now! Very genuine and compassionate woman who really cares about us and treats us like adults. Although she has banned household visits apart from bubbles and informal childcare by grandparents which is a tough one.

2greys
2greys in reply to Bronchi1

That is what should have happened here in England, even one of the Gov's own top scientists, a member of SAGE, has said they are making the same mistakes that they made in March:

bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-5...

leo60
leo60 in reply to 2greys

Yes, I read that. Seems the backbenchers are kicking up c**p. It would do very little harm financially to shield us again, and may save a fortune in the long run. Keeping in mind shielding is guidance, not law . xx

Dubba61
Dubba61 in reply to Bronchi1

Yes, I always think she's a genuine person. 👍

I have heard of two people who have received official shielding letters, both of whom are having ongoing treatment for cancers, and have other medical issues, but none for respiratory related problems.

Perhaps this is a matter of where you come on “the list” as to whether or how soon you might be notified.

As previously said, it is up to us to be proactive about our own health and viral exposure, as we’ve been through this already.

I feel less scared now that there have been some improvements in treatments and management of infection than 6 months ago when we were just told that there was no medical help. That in fact certain steroids do help given most of us respond to those well, and that many of the negatives - such as high blood pressure - have been disproven. At this point we are in a better position than we were back at the beginning of March.

Fingers crossed, masks on and wash your hands! 😷🤞🤞🤞

I am currently in my first week of four off "sick" from work with stress. The doctor put on the note stress due entirely to worry over place of work (Tesco checkout) being dangerous for her. If no more shielding, then what for me? SSP can't go on forever, will I be forced to take unpaid leave?

As you said 2gs, cannon fodder springs to mind! Ok I my not die of Covid, but any more damage to my 35% lungs would be devastating.

Stay safe all xx

Mickymoo
Mickymoo in reply to leo60

You get ssp for 26 weeks. You are then entitled to apply for esa. Hope this helps. Oh make sure you apply for the esa or universal credit a few werks before ssp runs out x

leo60
leo60 in reply to Mickymoo

Thank you very much! I appreciate your taking the time to give me advice 😊😘 xx

Its ok everone Boris and his ministry of pillocks have the answer

Stop Benefits and pensions to pay for covid

Its crazy but true

Im a nervous wreck going from shielding then being forced to send 4 kids to school or i will face legal action and fines.

2 are in primary but 2 are in secondary in bubbles of over 500 pupils.

The last time cases were this high we were shielding and my kids were not expected to go to school.

Half the school were this week waiting to get tests but cant. I have spoken to both headteachers of my kids school and both say shielding isnt in place so its safe kids must attend and tell me i am irrational worrying!

NHS advice on shield as at 18 September 2020

nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir...

Page last reviewed: 18 September 2020

Next review due: 25 September 2020

2greys
2greys in reply to Bkin

With all due respect, the people who need to be told will not see your post, let alone have or be able to use the Internet, they are the ones who are more vulnerable than us because of that.

Bkin
Bkin in reply to 2greys

Not expecting anyone without internet to see these posts. That's a bit of a nonsensical comment. The indication is the page will be updated on 25 September for those of us who are interested in checking it out on 25th. You asked 'Where is the new Shielding Advice'

You need to read it again in it's entirety, where I did say that we here do not need it but there are 2 million others who will.

We don't appear to exist ....in a nutshell, our demise is very low on everyones agenda right now. I was defferred double lung transplant assessment April 8th Harefield. There are zero surgeries open and I live in Devon Village! We lost a wonderful friend in Aug due to never being seen, and worse left undiagnosed to aggresive throyid cancer which took her exactly 6 months to date..anaplastic. What I have seen is tatamount to murder! For the rest of us fighting in high risk we carry on doing just that, I have stay shielded all year for obvious reasons..I don't really trust much about the pantomine or the players in it..the Goverment. Its beyond shambles it is time we got a coalition in and they committed this round 2 to reduction in lives and of course the right to get on with one (for healthy)..they should of stuck to outline plane prioritised us and ensured we got the care, the appointments and everything else needed as the living dead..pardon pun! Inside its a bag of hope and a whole heap of fight nothing more or less...I would just use your own brains, retreat, and stay there I realised this after 1st hit, I was basically on my own and stopped looking for or towards the calvarly (it ain't coming) the normal folk will not know what has hit them when the shit hits the fan in Flu Season and most ofthem will panic in covid not flu or sniffles thereby overwhelming a already defunct system...that can hardly cope in Winter Flu..All Tory politics this and grossly underfunding has bite them this time firmly on their sorry arses...they have nowhere to run..we do..we are used to shield and understand respiratory disease shame they don't! good luck, keep positive and look forward to a brighter 2021 it has to change and I suspect it will blow out or reduce down which is when I hope to head to Harefield..all being well.

I agree. Have they forgotten us????? There is an impact since shielding was paused as in pharmacies won't do doorstep deliveries and the obvious advice of you shouldn't go out anymore........

2greys
2greys in reply to Woody49

Boris has just said has just said the shielding advice remains paused. Unbelievable!

Woody49
Woody49 in reply to 2greys

Well lets hope he has calculated enough ventilators and hospital beds for when the virus hits the vulnerable.......awful thought but let's hope it's on his list. Shut the frigging pubs it's easy. The guy that came back from abroad didn't quarantine perfect example went on a bender with his mates didn't give a monkeys. A curfew is just going to make people drink more before the earlier closing time!

Boris said, in restricted areas vulnerable should shield

2greys
2greys in reply to Elaiworthy

The R rate has increased across the whole country, not just the restricted areas, a great success that has been, not. Leicester has been under special measures for a month now and there is still no decline. It still remains the fact that the countrywide shielding advice as a whole, remains paused.

Elaiworthy
Elaiworthy in reply to 2greys

Only repeating what he said it’s not an opinion.

leo60
leo60 in reply to 2greys

He also said that we should ALL stick to the rules to protect the vulnerable, to protect the NHS and to protect the economy! D'OH!!!! I don't want to rely on the idiots out there for my protection thank you ! xx

It’s become annoying however we all are stuck learning to live knowing this virus could be ghosting anywhere. We cannot let our guard down or we are risking catching spreading it. It’s here to stay. We need a safe working vaccine.

We are all in this situation together, I do agree the situation is increasing, it is scary as well. I do go out, with my masks. Don't know when this situation is going to end.

Let's pull together and get through this ! Only we know what it is like to live with respiratory disease. We can keep each other informed and supported. Onwards and upwards folks!

Moscow mayor orders elderly to stay home as virus rebounds.

Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin on Friday ordered the elderly to stay at home and recommended employers allow home working after the Russian capital saw a sharp rise in virus cases. Sobyanin's message came after virus figures that had remained steady for several months climbed steeply in recent days in Russia,...

msn.com/en-us/news/world/mo...

The Russians have done what the UK has been remiss to do. Shame on them.

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