So, according to the news a popular holiday resort had a 3 hour queue for a burger drive though the other day. 3 hours in 27 degrees for a pile of take away s**t in take away packaging that will probably be blowing in the wind today. Is this not a very sad reflection upon society that needs to be addressed if we are to quell the threat posed by cheap fast rubbish food that is posing such a threat to the nations health? How did we arrive at this? Will the fact we are going to be living with C19 or the next one down the line mean this obsession with fast, poor food has to be addressed? What possesses people to queue for so long for something so bad for them, as in the fact that overweight and obese people are so vulnerable??? Is the answer blowing in the wind?
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I might be wrong and it’s just my opinion. But people want cheap food that’s filling and tasty. Fat, sugar and salt are all cheap, tasty and addictive. Fast food - McD, KFC, pizza etc - fits the bill. No shopping, no prepping, no cooking, no washing up, also addictive. People will sit in their cars, engines running for this convenience. Sad but true.
My thoughts exactly whilst caught in a traffic jam whilst on my way to hospital this afternoon for a pre-booked blood test appointment. I thought there must have been an accident but, no, I couldn’t believe my eyes when suddenly noticed that the queue was all turning off into a McDonald’s. Were they perhaps handing out £100 notes with the burgers?! Crazy. No wonder we have an obesity problem.
The Liverpool Echo run with an article yesterday bemoaning the fact that McDonald's were at this point not opening a single drive through in Merseyside! As there is one of their drive through outlets about a mile away from where I live I'll be very happy if it never opens ever again! The roadside and the parks have been much cleaner in the absence of Ronald McDonald
I know it’s my local one because Spirit lives in the next village to me & that McDonalds is on the same complex as a very large supermarket near us both. The traffic queues around there were horrendous the night they closed down at the beginning of the lockdown just so everyone could get their last Big Mac. It was horrendous, ambulances we’re struggling to get through to the hospital not very far away.
Yeah, I did sort of know this actually, it's like pringles, they put something in them that stimulates your tongue to want more. I guess it is like the cheap burgers and sausages that people buy without ever giving a thought to what goes in them - my wife has a joke with me about it when we see them on sale but I can't repeat what she says is in them on here
When my grandchildren were young we sometimes had 'nan burgers'. Too expensive to buy McD etc. Home made burgers and home made rolls so you know what goes into them and with a salad rather than chips! If you feed kids rubbish when they are small they'll become addicted to it. We all resort to rubbish now and again but I mainly prepare and eat real food and am very wary of anything that has more than a few ingredients. I most certainly wouldn't sit in one of those queues! Each to his own I suppose.
My children hated me while they still lived at home - I did better 'take-away' than the actual take-away. The only time they got to visit McDonald's or Burger King was if we were out and about and someone's blood sugar dropped so low the only real solution was a quick burger.
My husband wasn't happy when I bought a kettle barbecue online the day the lockdown started but once he tasted my home-made flame broiled burgers he was a believer.
And my grown children now have children who hate their mum and dad can do take-away at home better than the actual take-away Yes, I've been apologised to!
Assuming you're using a coal grill, really, BBQ at my house is pretty basic - for burgers I mix salt (sparingly as I'm restricted) pepper and a good splash of Worcestershire sauce into at least a pound of sirloin mince (the sirloin makes the difference!) then form patties and throw them on the barbie turning every few minutes till done. The dripping causes the coals to 'flame up' and you get that flame-broiled burger every time. Magic
For sauced pork and beef meats (lol, I almost said 'saucy'), slather the Lidl brand BBQ (it comes the closest to what I got used to in the States) on as a marinade overnight, then grill over medium hot coals turning every few minutes as for the burgers but the flames don't throw as high over a medium 'fire' as they do on a hot coal bed.
Chicken is a little different (to avoid food poisoning) - that you marinade overnight then bake in the kitchen oven in a tin foil parcel to near doneness (pink-clear juices when you poke it). Then you slather on more of the BBQ sauce and grill as for the other meats over medium hot coals.
There are other BBQ sauces, the best ones are the Alabama or North Carolina hickory smoke ones but I've noticed the mesquite smoke ones every now and again in the supermarket. The best brands are the 'genuine American' ones (in my opinion) like Bullseye.
And to make things even more fun - sometimes in the supermarket you can find hickory and/or mesquite 'chips' you mix with your coals before starting them.
Oh dear. I'm drooling on the keyboard!
BBQ tips: use a chimney to start your coals successfully without litres of coal starter fluid (you can make your own chimney with a catering size fruit tin, simply cut both ends off - you can buy a purpose made Weber one for around £30 and believe me it's worth the money) and be sure to use a welding glove to handle a hot chimney.
**Go sparingly on the coals - half of what you think you need is plenty to grill a family meal, more if you're grilling for the neighbourhood.
**If you're doing kebabs, be sure to use stainless steel skewers. Trust me.
**Corn on the cob roasts beautifully in tin-foil parcels - slather on the butter before you close the parcel and you won't have to faff about trying to butter a cooked cob.
**Cast iron dutch oven loaded with several tins of baked beans 'doctored up' with some maple syrup+brown sugar, a large dollop of Colman's mustard and at least a full cup of sweet corn kernals (tinned is easiest, if using frozen, boil it five minutes before adding to the beans) cooked for an hour on the kitchen hob then set on the back of the grill 'to finish' - makes a wonderful 'side dish'.
Lol! All that's left is the Alabama potato salad - mine is so ridiculously simple it's a little embarrassing - it involves peeling, dicing, boiling, draining, cooling, then lobbing in mayonnaise, mustard, at least a jar of pickle 'relish' and either diced spring onions or sweet yellow - but not a lot and be sure the onion bits are big (so the fussy can pick them out, and so the onion lovers get a real taste of onion with their 'taters'). Toss, chill in the fridge around two hours, then serve.
Fish in a foil parcel then a basket to finish is lovely - if you like fish. My husband hasn't been able to get out fishing and I've used everything he caught pre-lockdown. He's over the moon to think he's going to be back on the bank sooner now rather than later.
But. But BBQ to me is beef, chicken, and pork
Hey, I do homemade burgers as well! And I do sunnies corn on the cob wrapped in tin foil, but without the butter. And if you wrap potatoes in foil & bury them in the coal they take no time to cook. Mushrooms, peppers, onions on the skewer, yummy, you can't beat cooking fish on the bbq though, that's the bestest.
I find it hard to believe that anyone would queue for that long to buy anything!
Fortunately our closest McDonalds is about 20 miles away. I must admit though that 25years ago whilst living in Germany we would sometimes call in for one at about 4/5am
on our way home! They did taste much better then though.
Rubber Burgers.. yuk! KFC not much better.🤔.each to your own..they are obviously a treat for some or a quick option if really hungry.
I have had the odd Mc flurry if at the seaside.. with the boys when they were younger and into Happy Meals. Now I would need a Full cow and they would still be hungry. Haha 😁✌
It seems to me that most people posting, actually believe that people eat at McDonald's etc everyday, if you don't, then what is wrong with an 'occasional' treat if it's something you enjoy.
I assume that everyone here has always only eaten super healthy home made food and never bought 'naughty" treats for themselves! If that is the case, then lets face it, it's not a good advert for Healthy Living when we are all on a forum for people with Heart conditions
Gaz-chops I was just about to write more or less the same post as yours. Lots of holier-than-thou replies to this thread which is somewhat ironic when you consider what this website is all about.
During my rehab classes following my CABGx3 nearly two years ago I mentioned that evening I was going to have a Chinese takeaway. I got some unreal dirty looks from people. They of course were all living on lettuce and water, ran half marathons daily and hadn't had a drop of alcohol since 1946.
I wouldn't cross the road for a MackyD let alone wait three hours for one. I might be tempted to join a queue of three people in the KFC shop on the odd occasion though.
I can't get my head round why people see these things as a "treat"? They often have a big tin of sweets or chocolates at the end of the local park run if it is a "special" one or someone has just done their 200th or something. A lot of these "treats" are not your friend, in fact they may very probably have contributed to your downfall. Spend ages doing couch to 5K, then train for a decent park run time, then bang a load of sugar down you, I don't get it!
So if you really never ever have/had anything that is classed as 'naughty' - sweets, takeaways, alcohol etc etc then i have huge respect for you. If however you have, then I guess you know what I would probably say!
I had a convo with my cardiologist quite a while ago, I was confused post SCA about all the info on diet etc. i'd always had a healthy diet, with the occasional McD's etc. always been into fitness, everything was saying don't eat white rice, pasta etc. eat brown rice etc.
His response was, carry on as you have been, if you want an occasional burger/pizza then have it, his words "me and the kids are having pizza tonight".
I took his advice..........
I never said anything about Alcohol? in answer to your question, I don't eat sweets, I often have a bit of a very good brand of quality dark chocolate, no palm oil or other crap in it, and I never eat take-away food, most of it is full of salt, fat and crap, we cook everything from fresh. We also have pizza, my wife makes it herself its way better than any you can buy and easy to make. Have you seen what is in an average supermarket or take away pizza? Try looking at the salt/fat/calorie content, and that's a treat??
The fact is, Gaz, that we have a big problem with obesity in this country and things like Pizza's are contributing to it hugely. Far too many people do not see them as treats they see them as a staple, and this will only get worse with the continued expansion of things like "deliverpoo" as I call it. Once this disaster has been sorted we need to start getting people to take more responsibility for the shape they are in and the food they eat, to relieve the burden on the NHS.
lateguitarist do you eat bread, pasta , rice and all that rubbish , while knocking people eating McDs?
I eat sourdough bread made by a local bakery, it is neither rubbish or sugary, I think you are referring to some of the cheap mass produced bread (and I understand herein lies some of the problem). I also eat brown rice but don't much like pasta to be honest. By "their choice of foods" did you mean burgers and suchlike? Given the responses to my OP and the plain facts regarding McD's its hard not to be critical isn't it?
You're idea of sugar is different to mine, bread spikes your insulin as does rice, you seem to be under the impression brown rice is healthy but it also turns to glucose in the body spiking insulin and causing all sorts of problems like T2 diabetes which i turn leads to heart problems and other stuff. So don't you go looking down your nose at those queuing at McDs when your own diet ain't that healthy either.
As I said earlier "It seems to me that most people posting, actually believe that people eat at McDonald's etc everyday, if you don't, then what is wrong with an 'occasional' treat if it's something you enjoy.".
How often do you actually believe people are eating Pizza etc.
I really don't see the 'food' as the problem, rather the people putting it in their mouths and rarely, if ever exercising.
Work(out) hard, Play(out) moderately.........
No mate, your wrong. I used to eat a very traditional diet, high in saturated fats from meat and dairy produce, like most people my age did. I have also run all my life and also cycled, played squash, kept fit all my life, have been slim as a rake and thought just the same. Yet my LAD was 96% blocked, exercise alone will not prevent it happening again.
As I have said, I do believe people have developed lazy eating habits and are eating crap far too much, just look around you!
No, you're wrong, nothing has changed as far as people putting crap in their mouths.
My nan died when she was 97, rarely if ever ill, all her life she ate Tripe, chips cooked in lard, cakes, biscuits etc etc.
And I know exercise won't do it alone, but better than no exercise....... very much like you i ran, mountain biked, played squash, badminton, weight trained most of my life, I had my SCA at 62........ my dad died at 42 from heart related issue, so it gained me 20 years (along with a reasonable diet).
The biggest factor, so i was told, was the 'hereditary' factor.
Blimey 42 that's young, terrible. Mine also died young, 55. Yes, hereditary it is, but that plaque does not just build up on it's own. Surely our propensity for it to build up means we should do our utmost to ensure we cut out anything that might allow it to? There will always be people who had diets like that but who are not affected.
But, is it not a bit like telling everyone not to cross the road because you know someone who got hit by a bus!
My point('s) being, that yes "obesity" is a huge (pun intended) problem, but why blame takeaways/fast food, most of their intake is bought from supermarkets. And, diets have always been mostly bad, but e.g. my nan's era walked/cycled everywhere = more exercise.
Good discussion mate.
P.s. Think you are near to me, i'm on the Wirral
My mother in law lived into her 90's and like gaz_chops nan she ate what she liked never had any health problems until she had a stroke at 90. One of her sons had a stroke at 26. Another son, my husband, had a massive heart attack & cardiac arrest at 42. We talked about this with the cardiologist & he said we don't exercise enough these days, back when my MIL was young people didn't get in the car, they walked.
I personally don't eat fast food but don't see its any of my business if someone else wants to.
When she was in her late 80's my MIL was still pushing the wheelchairs of the old ladies (as she called them) to church or the church hall where she was the bingo caller. If she couldn't get out of the house for whatever reason, she would walk up & down the stairs to ensure she got some exercise. Yep, she was also of the era where lard & beef dripping were part of the staple diet & she enjoyed a glass of whisky every night. Until she had her stroke she'd never spent a day in hospital despite having 7 children! 102 is a good old age, Kevin's auntie lived to 101 & still lived in her own home.
If I could try and get some kind of perspective on this.I'm taking a guess that as many of these burger joints Have been shut for months then all of a sudden people want their favourite fatty treat (Aided by their kids pester power I'm sure)
Everything we follow from America makes our country worse....But it does make companies a lot of money......