Fat Overspill Causes Type II Diabetes

[MichaelJH]

Research has shown that Type II diabetes can be caused by fat from the liver overspilling into the pancreas. Diabetes is frequently linked to CVD. The link is:

eurekalert.org/pub_releases...

[Ader42]

and how do people get too fat? Eating too many carbs, barring genetic factors. Hence Keto diets work to reduce weight and reverse type ii diabetes.

[Heythrop51 in reply to Ader42]

Fat is fattening as well. Look at people who start the day with a full English and have burgers for lunch!

[Fortepiano in reply to Ader42]

Eating too much of anything will make you fat.

Eating less will make you lose weight.

Pace keto enthusiasts, there is nothing magic about keto.

[Ader42 in reply to Fortepiano]

It’s very hard to put on weight without eating grains, starchy veg and sugar. I tried once.

People who eat burgers are not eating keto as the bread bun is too carb heavy and low quality processed meat isn’t great either. When I was keto a single bread bun would kick me out of ketosis.

The worst bit of a full english is the fried “bread” or toast.

Scrambled eggs with smoked salmon and asparagus is a far nicer and healthy option.

Imho and that of my medical team.

[Fortepiano in reply to Ader42]

There are many weight loss diets - they all involve fewer calories whether restrictive diets like keto or not.

There are also many ways to put on weight - they all involve eating too many calories , whether from fats , protein or grains or any combination.

There is nothing unhealthy about wholegrains or starchy vegetables.

[MichaelJH Heart Star in reply to Fortepiano]

Alcohol is another source of empty calories. A unit of alcohol contains 85 calories, so if you drink. 2 or 3 units 5 days per week that is a lot of calories!

Competion - how many calories does that come to?

[Lezzers in reply to Ader42]

It's been shown you can lose weight by eating nothing but chocolate but is it wise or healthy to do so!!! Nooo definitely not.

[MichaelJH Heart Star in reply to Lezzers]

ExLax? 😁

[Lezzers in reply to MichaelJH]

Brussels are better!! 😂

[Modeller3]

Hi I have a fatty liver near smokl don drink I eat a salad every day walk when weather permits but can't lose wait

[Heythrop51 in reply to Modeller3]

I am (was?) pre-diabetic. Following the Mediterranean diet advised here and limiting carbs I have lost over 2 stone in the past few months. I eat little fruit because of the sugar content.

[Maisie2014]

That’s a very simplistic view Ader42. Not all of us eat too much. Since my heart attack I have got heavier and liver damage because of meds and now have hyper parathyroidism.

[Ader42 in reply to Maisie2014]

I agree that the “a calorie is a calorie” belief is a myth that’s been disproven, that’s why I said barring genetic factors; I should have included medical factors too.

If people stop eating sugar and grain products they will lose weight.

Look at the newspaper headlines today about putting people on a soup & shake diet on the nhs.

[Fortepiano in reply to Ader42]

Curiously it's just the keto cult who push the entirely unscientific 'a calorie is not a calorie' rubbish - while if people cut out food groups like sugar and grain they will inevitably cut their calories, just as they would if they cut out fats.

The NHS soup and shake diet is highly calorie restricted.

Of course there can be medical reasons for being overweight, but prediabetes is primarily an avoidable disease.

[Ader42 in reply to Fortepiano]

How do we explain the weight loss plateaus that anyone who has ever dieted experiences? All the BMR calculators say my BMR is 1700. Yet I can eat as few as 1000 calories a day for months on end and not lose weight. Surely I should lose at least a pound of fat a week?

I used to work with a seriously obese lady and she ate hardly anything. We are not all the same, we have different genes and different biochemistry.

The truth is that the bodies caloric output is dependent upon the quantity and perhaps more importantly the quality of the calories ingested. In addition to medical and genetic factors.

You can lose weight by eating better (same or more calories) without extra exercise, because you can increase the body's caloric output via dietary changes. Obviously the opposite is also true and what is more often seen (coke & fries).

If a calorie was a calorie then every type of carb would have the same effect on the body constantly so you could consume only (lots of) carb-laden beer for the better part of 20 years and not get diabetes for example. Obviously green leafy veg is different to lager even if the calories match.

Similarly eating good quality egg protein and fat has a different effect on the body than the equivalent calories of low-grade processed burger meat.

The "a calorie is a calorie" myth ignores the body's ability to adapt its caloric output and the fact that the quality of food counts.

The obesity pandemic that people refer to has not been caused by people eating too much, it's been caused by them eating too poorly (mostly low-fat, high-sugar).

Curiously it's the flat-earthers that put fingers in ears and can't accept that scientific "facts" change as knowledge is gained.

You're welcome, and Merry Christmas.

[Fortepiano in reply to Ader42]

As you demonstrate, Keto is a religion and true believers are convinced their way is the only way.

There are many different diets on which to lose weight, but none of them can avoid the equation of energy in / energy out.

A calorie is a calorie refers to weight gain and loss. Nobody is suggesting all foods are nutritionally equivalent. What is ridiculous is demonising healthy carbohydrates.

The obesity epidemic is not because people have overdosed on brown rice!

Coca-cola, sugar, sweets, cake , high fat high sugar snacking, supersized portions and a sedentary lifestyle is the problem.

Wholegrains and starchy vegetables are not.

[Ader42 in reply to Fortepiano]

Not a zealot, just a knowledgeable interested party. Not on a keto diet, in fact just eaten some Tortelloni.

I’ve followed both the science and practice of a variety of eating styles for many years, understand the science and have an open mind. I was Paleo for some years, was a vegetarian when younger etc.

The original post was about type ii diabetes. I recently read a British Diabetic Association book that extolled the virtues of the keto diet. Maybe you need to do some research?

The fact remains, type ii diabetes doesn’t exist in cultures where people don’t eat lots of carbs.

A lot of people have trouble admitting they have been duped for so long by the food industry.

Nowadays I prefer to eat a heart healthy low carb mediterranean style diet. This is because (from my research) high triglycerides caused by consuming processed carbs is bad for your arteries (leads to the lesions which lead to inflammation and plaque).

The diet you should eat depends entirely on your personal goals. If you want to reverse type ii, keto might be a good thing to try.

[dunestar]

Thanks Michael, very interesting. The timing of the study is very apt with Christmas a time of major overeating. I will certainly have a long list of New Year resolutions!