The truth will out! . . Maybe!

[Adaboo]

The truth will out. . Maybe!

At last they will make all study data public after all this time 🤞🤞

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[Adaboo]

I don’t know any other studies that haven’t been allowed to be peer reviewed and then the pills be dished out to millions! We wait with baited breath 🙂

[Adaboo]

Oh yea 🤭🤭

[Adaboo]

I’ve had ice cream 🍦😆

[benjijen]

About time! Statins seem to be given as the first line of treatment for 'high risk' individuals. After my stents were fitted I was put on statins straight away - no cholesterol test done at that time and previous one was 3.8!! I had to argue with my GP (he doesn't like me any more!) and reduced to 20mg from 40mg. I was having severe pains in legs and arms and found it difficult to do cardiac rehab. OK now. Would be interesting to find out who funded the research into statins? Pharmaceutical industry maybe?! Was it peer reviewed?!

[Dolphin14 in reply to benjijen]

Good point on funding

[Adaboo in reply to benjijen]

The ones I’ve seen were funded by phizer ( spelling might be wrong) a big drug manufacturer and they haven’t been allowed to be peer reviewed. Wonder why 🤔

[Henry20]

I am not a medic, no training, I've just been reading, so this may be rubbish ...

We need cholesterol to live. The body makes it, both LDL and HDL, to allow us to get energy to our muscles. But what is the right level? Does it vary with what we are doing, sleeping or climbing a mountain? I don't know, but it seems likely to me, as our demand for energy because of exercise varies. To reduce the level in the blood by taking a drug perhaps is treating a symptom more than treating a cause?

It's the long term effects that concern me. Take statins for the rest of my life? Low LDL and HDL for years? What reaction will that induce in my body? Will that start other medical problems? So, I have doubts about them.

Thanks for the link, seems a good idea to me.

Henry

[Adaboo in reply to Henry20]

I hope it gives us better answers than we have at present 🤞

[Henry20 in reply to Adaboo]

Yes, we really need them. I've stopped taking statins for 3 months because of the side effects, which have now gone. However, I don't know if that was a wise decision as I am noticing other little niggles in my chest. Trouble is they could be totally innocent and due to the increase in wind etc that my changed diet is now giving me!

So, it's back to the doctor .... There's a groove in the pavement now to the surgery.

[Adaboo in reply to Henry20]

Aww I hope you get an answer and it is just wind! I know it’s worrying though, but I won’t take after reading the few independent studies there has been. Good luck 🤞

[Khonkaen]

I had a number of people criticise me for saying GPs are pill sellers and this is just another case that supports my claim. my mother was on Valium for decades until I got her to stop. When she was a young woman she had all her teeth removed due to a simple calcium deficiency, how stupid is that? Even today many in the medical profession still think alziemers is linked to alumimium, when it was found to be in the dye they used for viewing the brain samples...doh! Many cardiologists are installing stents as a prevenatitve measure, especially in the US making $billions. The medical profession is totally controlled my the pharma industry, they go to medical school and learn about pills.

They have known about a simple cure for MRSA for 10 years but can't make money out of it so people are still dying.

I had an MOT almost every year in the lead up to my HA and my symptoms should have at least flagged possible heart disease, but nothing..more pills offered to treat the various symptoms.

This is why we turn to the internet..if we have any sense.

[Adaboo in reply to Khonkaen]

Totally agree with you.

[Surreychica_1]

Well that is very interesting. Since taking them I have pain in all my joints. I have changed twice and there was some relief but now I have terrible pain in my knees and hips. Just wondering if it is the Statins. I had no pain before my stents and prescribed statins, even though I have low cholesterol.

[Adaboo in reply to Surreychica_1]

Statins can cause various pains round the body. My brother now walks like a 100 year old man after taking them, and unfortunately stopping them hasn’t made him go back to normal. He’s another one who has had a myriad of tests to find out why he was in pain when it was the statin side effects. Total waste of NHS time and money.

[Surreychica_1 in reply to Adaboo]

I meant to say so sorry about your brother. What a shame, is there nothing more that can be done, like physiotherapy!

[Adaboo in reply to Surreychica_1]

Thank you. Doesn’t seem to be anything they can suggest now. Just said it’s unfortunate he had side effects. He did get a bit better after 3 months of stopping them but he’s not back to normal by a long long way

[Surreychica_1]

I think I might give them a miss. I do not have high cholesterol at all, so no idea why I am on them to be honest. Someone did say that even if you have low cholesterol it can still cause plaque to attach itself to the arteries!! I know quite a few people who have been prescribed them and have had to stop!

[Adaboo in reply to Surreychica_1]

There are plenty of people with low cholesterol who have heart attacks or problems. Maybe ask your GP why they have prescribed them for you.

[Surreychica_1 in reply to Adaboo]

I will do that, thank you. I am seeing her in Thursday to discuss coming off of them. I can hardly stand up from sitting due to pain in knees and hips and before the Angina in January I walked four miles a day and was fit - well reasonably fit )apart from heart!!) - but when I had the stents put in thought I would get back into walking everyday, but so much pain now so I do not walk far.

[Adaboo in reply to Surreychica_1]

I hope you have a nice GP who will listen to you. Fingers crossed for you 🤞🤞

[Surreychica_1 in reply to Adaboo]

Thanks for that. I do, now, have a lovely GP and she does listen, but she is away on holiday so I am seeing a locum. I will see what she says.

[Adaboo in reply to Surreychica_1]

Good luck 🤞

[Surreychica_1]

That is helpful to know.

[Saffron63]

Thank you 🙏 Adaboo for posting the link

[Adaboo in reply to Saffron63]

You’re more than welcome Saffron63. I hope it brings answers for everyone 🙂

[Adaboo]

Nice spoon of double cream 😋😮.

[Adaboo]

My brother now takes more supplements than me 😲. He’s definitely on the right track but I think the muscle damage has gone too far unfortunately.

[MichaelJH Heart Star]

Narrowing of arteries via plaque formation (cholesterol/fat/calcium) is a complex process with not just one cause (cholesterol levels, smoking, irritation, variable insulin levels, etc. all playing a part). Yesterday I posted about another potential cause - bony particles.

Statin therapy has a part to play in prevention/stabilisation but in my opinion they are overprescribed (e.g. as a precaution because you are over 50 or have a cholesterol over 5.0, and sometimes at too high a dose). Side effects do occur but one mainly hears from those that experience them rather than those who do not. Often a change of statin or dose will alleviate these symptoms. A report in the BMJ cited research where people who were told they were being given statins but were given a placebo experienced side effects - such is the strength of social media!

If this study shows that statins are a good drug the results will not be believed by many - the title of this thread and many of the comments showing this!

[Adaboo in reply to MichaelJH]

I don’t think folk will disbelieve peer reviewed new studies. Independent ones!! Some have already been done which showed statins to not be as effective as we were led to believe, in fact one showed those with lowest cholesterol died first😱 and at best it gave some literally a ew extra days of life after taking them for years! It’s also been quite well published that cholesterol builds plaque because it’s trying to protect the damaged artery. So high cholesterol is a symptom of disease maybe? And lowering it isn’t treating the actual disease itself. Statins also increase your heart calcium score, again no one is sure why as yet, and that’s a pretty dangerous scenario in my book. I’m sure it will take a while for this to actually happen unfortunately. I’m amazed that those studies have not been peer reviewed at all in all these years! If they have nothing to hide then why have refused it all this time , and it’ll take a government directive maybe to get them published. It’s not right in my humble opinion.

[Adaboo]

Omg that’s shocking to think the drug companies really don’t care if they their pills do harm and push them regardless! Worse than drug dealers!!

[Adaboo]

I can believe it more than ever now! Scares me even more to be honest.