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DIET: and Keeping HDL/LDL as they should be with CHEESE!

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I had a quad bypass ten years ago, and have been careful with diet and exercise ever since. I'm fit and well!

The plant sterol spreads are helpful, but there is also a cheese (which I guess I shouldn't name, called Lo-Col, there, I did it anyway) which substitutes maize oil for milk fats, and which seems to me to be the tastiest substitute for cheddar around.

It also contains plant sterols! It's not that easy to get, but I believe Waitrose will be keeping it again soon. Some Sainsbury's have it.

I also found out that BRITISH cold pressed rapeseed oil has superior Saturated/ monounsaturated fat balance, compared even with best olive oil. Cheaper too, with a lovely fruity flavour.

It's a no-brainer for me to switch to these foods, so think about it, folks.

I have asked BHF what their dietary people think of the cheese, and await a response.

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Shoshov profile image
Shoshov

why do you have to be so nasty. are people not allowed to air they’re thoughts. who knows there may be someone on here who might be interested in this.

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COYW in reply toShoshov

Famous for it, just ignore.

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Shoshov

you know you were!!end of

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ChicagoGirl1961

I'm glad to hear you are fit and well 10 years post bypass. There are plenty of knowledable and friendly people that post on this forum, I'm sure you will hear from some going forward. I don't really know anything of the cheese you speak of, I myself stay away from processed foods, but if it is to your liking and it to works for you I hope you enjoy in moderation...Know that most people are here for support, to learn of others perspectives and to share there own. Welcome and be well!

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Bagrat

I tend to stick with food that hasn't been messed about with too much though hold my hands up to skimmed milk or "white water" as my daughter calls it.

As far as diet is concerned I try not to obsess and can't steer clear of all "food" devised in a factory setting but think quality more important than avoiding certain foods. Certainly refined sugars and refined carbs are a treat for occasional indulgence.

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Kimb3

Childish

JonathanH profile image
JonathanH

Londinium,

I am sure that you have a reason for denigrating rapeseed oil but this publication would not seem to support you:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl....

I have previously commended you for being so well informed and I am looking forward to reading your substantiation, therefore.

With kind regards

Jonathan

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COYW in reply toJonathanH

Interesting paper but the Canola Council of Canada is mentioned at the end so looks like that marketing organisation had some involvement which may have skewed the results?

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Jackdaw44

I always use rapeseed oil over olive oil, I thought it was the better for you one, out of the two?

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Bagrat in reply toJackdaw44

I use both ?hedging my bets but both cold pressed

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Jackdaw44 in reply toBagrat

Great idea. 👍👍

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JonathanH

Well done in keeping healthy: your lifestyle is evidently the right one for you.

On and off, I have spent quite a lot of time reading about diet and health, and it is without doubt a difficult and controversial area. One issue to bear in mind is micronutrients, and a benefit of some animal products is that they are rich in fat soluble micronutrients such as vitamin K2, which is found in mature cheese especially from grass-fed animals. K2 apparently inhibits calcification of the arteries and is a heart-healthy nutrient, therefore. It is probably absent from Lo-Col. That said, if you are taking warfarin or another vitamin k inhibitor, the point may be irrelevant.

I think there is much to be said for sticking to foods that have been processed as little as possible, so that you obtain the natural nutrients.

Kind regards

Jonathan

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COYW

I’ll try the Lo Col. I miss a bit of ‘cheese’ now and again 😀

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Bitez

Dreadful ....... if the cap fits !!!

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Bagrat

Have good read of the gut microbiome. I eat some fermented foods as gut bacteria like them and they seem to be the key of the health door. It is very complex and if you search far enough can always find a research paper to back one's preferred line of action. Good luck.

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Handel

Hi Shedder. Thanks for your post about Lo Col. Sadly, my little granddaughter has a severe dairy allergy so we get coconut oil based cheese for her.

Hope you continue on your good road to recovery. xxx

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Choosing oils is far from clearcut as they all have different properties. If you are making a salad dressing (I make it with balsamic and use sparingly) extra virgin olive oil has the best balance of properties. For higher temperature cooking rapeseed oil has the higher "smoke point" (temperature where beneficial properties start to be loss) so is more suitable.

So it is impossible to say one is better than the other. I haven't the room for an array of oils so stick to standard (organic) olive oil. Rapeseed is the only pollen that gives me hay fever so I am biased against it by default! The one oil that I would not use is corn (maize) oil where big market forces are behind most claims!

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Bitez

Trust Not !

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Padayn01

Can i just ask what brand of Rapeseed oil you use? the one with the fruity flavor?

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Lilyrosy

Goodness me, I have just returned from holiday so only just seen all these negative vibes between members.

I have many thoughts and information on different foods as both my daughter and son in law are nutritionists.

I am almost a year on from quad bypass and when I was in hospital after hearing of my particular thoughts on food which varied quite a lot from the ‘official list’ the nutritionist was happy for me to continue with this.

For obvious reasons I will not share that on here but jut FYI and of course it is a matter of taste Avocado Oil is pretty damn good.

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Lezzers in reply toLilyrosy

I personally would be interested in your thoughts on food & you should be able to post without fear of a backlash!! I work with someone who is very interested in nutrition, what different foods do etc. I'm trying to persuade her to look into making a career out of it as she is so passionate about it. Though she doesn't bang on about it, we do talk about it quite a lot.

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sos007

The best cheese is aged, and is from the Scandinavian countries - gouda and jarlesberg-high in vitamin K2 which moves calcium from your arteries to your bones.

Most goat and sheep dairy cheeses are also healthy - due to more medium chain fatty acids (MCT) than cow dairy.

I would not consume any highly processed cheeses or anything made from rapeseed oil which is a low quality oil from Canada (where I live).

hsph.harvard.edu/nutritions...

I use only organic, Greek, extra-virgin olive oil, and in moderation, due to caloric density.

You can get all the plant sterols you need by eating lots of vegetables, you don't need processed foods that add plant sterols. Processed foods lack dietary fiber and contain additives and chemicals that your body does not need.

I am on a whole-foods, plant-based diet, and avoid all simple carbohydrates and sugars (basically the classic Greek diet that is the foundation of the Mediterranean Diet).

I had triple bypass in 2015 and two angioplasty procedures in the following months.

After changing my diet and lifestyle, I lost 40 lbs to normalize my weight and stopped taking all medications by October 2016.

I am now in optimal health.

Good luck.

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Qualipop

JUst looked for it but ours doesn't have it. Will try the rapeseed oil though

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mistymolly

Thanks so much for posting. I love cheese and constantly check the fat content to see if any are lower. Haven't heard about the one you mention do not sure I can get it in Southern Ireland but will definitely look.

I watched the first 30 seconds of this, which reminded me that I really must not listen to any more self styled american "experts".

It is nothing to do with his nationality, per-se. I just have to smile when these, mostly American medics, decide to fly in the face of overwhelming evidence with their home grown ideas. It does make you lose a certain amount of faith in them to be frank. Even my GP suggested some of them are inclined to fly off at tangents somewhat. For me, the truth is in my own circumstances. I have never had a diet that is remotely likely to have raised my blood sugar levels. Both my Mum and wife have always cooked everything from fresh, and I have had very very little processed food throughout my entire 61 years. I have never had a sweet tooth or consumed much sugar in any form, which my waistline will bear testament to, and I have always kept myself fit. No, for me, it is obvious that the diet that I and many other people my age have had all my life, based on saturated fats contained in meat and diary products, is the culprit. Why do you feel I don't like Americans just because I made a comment on some of their ideas being a bit controversial? You really should try and be a little less inflammatory, your comments seem to wind a lot of people up!

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