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This morning I was scrolling through Instagram as usual, looking at my kids’ posts.

Up pops an Asthmaandlung campaign.

“Do you use a lower carbon inhaler?

Help us protect the environment by telling us how you found switching inhalers. Have your say to help the NHS reduce carbon emissions and tackle climate change “ Forgive me if the wording isn’t quite right, I can’t find it anymore.

I am sick and tired of being made to feel guilty for using an inhaler that works for me.

I care passionately about climate change: I do not fly. I drive less than 1000 miles per annum. I eat very little meat. I am careful about where my food comes from. Etc, etc .

My tiny contribution to global warming is nothing compared to industry, transport and all the other huge polluters.

I also try to offset my carbon footprint by planting nature friendly plants in my garden. Plants that are good for pollinators, making habitats for wildlife etc. I have just spent £150 (money I can ill afford) on trees to replace the ones my neighbours have recently chopped down. Not ornamental trees, but native species.

Then I find myself being made to feel guilty by an organisation that is supposed to be supporting me, although I only have COPD. As a COPD sufferer, my predicament is not discussed or promoted for discussion like Asthma is. In fact it is rarely mentioned.

Is this me being grumpy??! I’m not usually!!

We all want what these lovely photos portray, I just need to use a certain inhaler.

Laurie xx

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leo60 profile image
leo60

I can only post one photo at a time! Xx

Bee feeding on a flower
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leo60 in reply toleo60

Pretty isn’t it? Xx

Chamomile
Ern007 profile image
Ern007 in reply toleo60

Yes,

Patk1 profile image
Patk1

If the lower carbon inhaler works for you,all well and gd but if not,stay on what u are on.I'm sure cans of deodorant, hairspray & airspray are higher in carbon emissions - it's time aluk & nhs advised against their use

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toPatk1

You're right Patk1. I'd have been very happy to have stayed on the Trelegy Ellipta, but it stopped working for me 🙁

I wish it were made clearer to everybody (healthy people included) that aerosols and also scented candles are not good for your lungs. xx

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jillygirl

Hi leo60 I agree with every word you say . I dont like the new inhalers and prefer the original one . I use my nebuliser more now, Which in turn is in plastic nebules in a cardbord package, Like you we could go on. No good saving the planet and not the people

What about all the planes and the emissions from them,.. or do they think they are not as bad as a simple inhaler.

Nature
leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply tojillygirl

Thank you and what a lovely picture 😊 xx

knitter profile image
knitter in reply tojillygirl

I use my nebuliser more now , as I find the generic Salamol not so good .

The Combivent inhaler was banned many years ago , so use Combivent nebules when I can get them .

More plastic waste , more medication in the atmosphere .

jillygirl profile image
jillygirl in reply toknitter

The worlds gone crazy..🤪

Alberta56 profile image
Alberta56 in reply tojillygirl

Nice photo. xxx

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Mopsey1897 in reply tojillygirl

I think that if you’re ill and need medical help such as inhalers then who cares about the environment. I can’t believe that all the inhalers will cause our planet to get worse compared to how China etc pollute the air. So long as you have the correct inhaler for your needs, that should be the priority for the NHS

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toMopsey1897

I totally agree 👍 xx

Germantara profile image
Germantara in reply tojillygirl

I agree great picture

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djbctla

Her Here

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leo60 in reply todjbctla

👍xx

HungryHufflepuff profile image
HungryHufflepuff

this attitude annoys me so much too. I wonder what percentage of pollution / climate change / environmental damage etc is caused by inhalers compared to all the other forms of pollution. One of the great ironies is that, for many people, their lung condition will have been caused by air pollution that is caused by traffic, flights, factories and other emissions. Obviously we all want to play our part in protecting the environment but to villainise people who use inhalers is just wrong. Maybe it eases the conscience of the big polluters to pick on people who use inhalers. It’s bad enough when the media run uninformed stories, but when it’s an organisation that’s supposed to be on our side, that’s pretty disheartening.

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toHungryHufflepuff

Perfectly put HH! Just what I was trying to say 🤣

Hope you and your 🐑 are keeping ok xx

Donald_1931 profile image
Donald_1931

Don’t be fed up, it‘s just a clumsy attempt to make us aware that alternatives are available by people who couldn’t see that getting rid of BLF would be a complete disaster.

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toDonald_1931

I know, just angry! Xx

Donald_1931 profile image
Donald_1931 in reply toleo60

That’s much better than fed up 🤣xxx

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toDonald_1931

Very true!! 😘 xxx

Ergendl profile image
Ergendl in reply toDonald_1931

So true, Don!

sassy59 profile image
sassy59

Stay on what works for you Laurie and don’t worry. You’re doing a great job in other ways and need to look after yourself. Xxxx❤️

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leo60

I will, just makes me so cross to be made to feel guilty, especially by ALUK ! Xx

knitter profile image
knitter

Mmm …..NHS England initiative ?

NHS blog…World Asthma Day , tackling climate change and improving respiratory care 3 May 2022.

Inhalers 3% contribution to NHS carbon footprint .

Dry powder instead ?

Includes comment from ALUK …suggests that most patients believe the environmental impact of inhalers should be a consideration in patient choices

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leo60 in reply toknitter

I agree “a consideration “ , was just saying that I don’t feel it’s fair to be made to feel bad if a powder inhaler isn’t suitable .

Better plant even more trees! Xx

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sunshineday in reply toleo60

My hubby has serious lung problems and we're fed up of all the pressure being applied to everything and everyone to try and reduce carbon emissions. When hubby was prescribed salamol he used twice as many as his ventolin and used his nebuliser more. Dry powder inhalers just aggravate his lungs. Perhaps people like WEF, and other organisations and the elite etc, who support everyone else striving to reduce emissions but continue to use private planes themselves began to use commercial transport it would be a start! Sorry for the gripe but I feel very strongly that it seems the rules are for everyone else but not those making them !

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply tosunshineday

👏🏻👏🏻 xx

Germantara profile image
Germantara in reply tosunshineday

I agree

peege profile image
peege

I'm with you Leo !

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply topeege

Thanks peege 😘 I hate that we are made to feel guilty, very unfair xx

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O2Trees in reply toleo60

No one can make you feel guilty except you, Leo. Don't worry about what other people or organisations think - you know your inhaler is working for you. Just be clear to yourself about that, at the same time knowing and appreciating that some people do well on dry powder inhalers which is good for the environment. Im luckyj in that dry powder inhalers work well for me, but you can be sure that I think no less of ppl who use the other sort, and if I was you I would be hanging on to the one I know works. Take care :) :)

leo60 profile image
leo60

Thanks Trees, I will try to calm down!!

I am doing some therapy atm, planning my garden to be more easy maintenance and wildlife friendly!!

It’s working!Have a lovely weekend xx

Ern007 profile image
Ern007

Laurie - Take what you need, don't feel guilty. Yes there is global warming, there as also been ice ages et al - They were not man made. take your inhalers and don't feel guilty at all. There is a vested interest I reckon with Carbon Free Inhalers and IMO they don't puff proper. x

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toErn007

Will do Ern 😘 xx

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janedivney

I’m angry too, that our very own charity is making us feel like this. They’re showing very little empathy. I’m very worried about climate change but powder inhalers make my chest worse. I’m sticking to ventolin.

leo60 profile image
leo60

I feel it is incredibly thoughtless. Could have been phrased differently so nobody feels bad. Xx

Turnipgirl profile image
Turnipgirl in reply toleo60

It's how these things are said isn't it that upsets people!

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toTurnipgirl

Yes it is! xx

The UK only produces 1% of the world's grrenhouse gases and yet we are preached at from every corner and an attempt is made to make us feel guilty or deprive us of things that we need. These people should look at countries that really produce the problem and leave us alone.

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply to

Agreed! Xx

Tykelady profile image
Tykelady in reply to

Absolutely. Of course, the UK is on some kind of a guilt trip at the moment and apologising right, left and centre for anything and everything whilst sending money to the big polluters.

Alberta56 profile image
Alberta56

You're right. It's not us who are causing climate change.

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toAlberta56

Well we all are to a certain extent, but when it’s something we can’t avoid we should not be made to feel bad about it xx

MoyB profile image
MoyB

I'm with you all the way on this and agree with those who advise you to stay on what works for you. I have yet to use the alternative they gave me when I ordered ventolin. If it doesn't work, they'll hear about it.

There are a lot of people jumping on the environmental bandwagon. A friend of mine complains bitterly about excess packaging, foodwaste and air pollution from petrol cars (they have bought a hybrid). She is welcome to her opinion, but thinks nothing of taking long haul and short haul flights several times a year for holidays which, although lovely, are not actually essential.

Some people, like yourself, and some organisations really try to make a difference but some badmouth others with their 'holier than thou' attitude.

Do what works for you and don't let the b*****s get you down!

XxMoy

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leo60 in reply toMoyB

Hello Moy :) I demanded my Ventolin back! Luckily my doctor is understanding.

Yes, it's a terribly fashionable bandwagon to jump on, but it mustn't interfere with the holidays dahling!! Apologies to your friend! For me, this country (in spite of the weather) is so beautiful, I wouldn't go abroad. And our economy need our money!

I try not to feel guilty, but when an organisation that is supposed to be supporting you insinuates that you are harming the environment by using an inhaler you need . . . . well it gets my goat!!

Good luck with the new inhaler Moy and have a lovely Sunday :) xx

Turnipgirl profile image
Turnipgirl

No need to feel guilty as you have done nothing wrong by needing those items.

If you had been stealing them from others then that's reason to feel guilty!

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toTurnipgirl

Hahaha! You are right! And I didn't so I won't! xx

1947Mags profile image
1947Mags

Please stop even thinking about it/ We all do (those who care) do what we can I worry about the environment and recycle all I can. But when a bad flare up happens (COPD and Bronchiectasis) I hardly have the strength to separate rubbish into different categorise and put it all in the one bin which I feel very guilty about, but we can only do what we can. Take care mags

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leo60 in reply to1947Mags

That sounds just like me! And no, I won't let them make me feel guilty :) xx

Mellywelly profile image
Mellywelly

You're not on your own chook. I want ventolin back as I and loads of other people think the little blue one doesn't do the job as good as ventolin. Not too much to ask is it 😬

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toMellywelly

I demanded my Ventolin back! The little blue one doesn't work for me either! And NO! Not too much to ask! xx

JPC2 profile image
JPC2

I wouldn’t worry, I’m like you I do my best in all areas of my life to try and be as green as possible but when it comes to my inhalers I will carryon taking what works. If private jets are exempt of the green levy I’m sure we shouldn’t feel guilty about taking an inhaler that helps our medical condition.

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toJPC2

Hi! The thing is, I don't feel guilty, I just get so cross when people try to make me feel guilty, especially as I try so hard to support the environment!

I didn't know private jets were exempt! 🙄🙄 xx

JPC2 profile image
JPC2 in reply toleo60

Yeah I saw a report on it on Channel 4, don’t know if they’re still exempt but they were along with yachts!! Xx

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toJPC2

Ridiculous! Xx

Bingo88 profile image
Bingo88

Good morning leo60. They are all hypocrites. They tell us to do everything and then you have them flying here there and everywhere for chin wag about climate change. And usually all come back with no real changes and you got people flying by helicopter to and from instead of using a car or public transport like many of us have to do. We are all entitled to have a grumble. Because I have recently moved and my new doctors have not got my medical records after a week from my old surgery less than an hour away. It took me 3 days to get someone with common sense to get me an inhaler on prescription and then 4 days for the chemist to be get it in. Luckily I am organised and asked about the inhaler when I was down to my last week of meds. Hope your keeping as well as possible. Brian

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toBingo88

I did reply to you Brian, but it is further down the page! Sorry! xx

Bingo88 profile image
Bingo88 in reply toleo60

No worries love

Izb1 profile image
Izb1

My Ventolin inhaler says cfc free. I chemist changed my inhaler and it relly didnt work well for me so I asked for it to be switched back. Global warming will happen no matter what we do and think this attempt at jumping on the bandwagon from the nhs is pathetic. Dont feel guilty for protecting your health x

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toIzb1

Likewise! I won't let them make me feel guilty, I do enough to offset my (already small) carbon footprint! :) xx

Izb1 profile image
Izb1 in reply toleo60

It has become a money making racket and a way for the government to control how and where you travel x

Cloudancer profile image
Cloudancer

Totally agree.

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toCloudancer

😘 xx

Handel profile image
Handel

Well said xxxxx

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leo60 in reply toHandel

👍👍 xx

Thinkhealthy profile image
Thinkhealthy

don’t feel guilty ! You obviously do as much as you can x

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toThinkhealthy

I try very hard, so I will not let them make me feel guilty! xx

leo60 profile image
leo60

Hello Brian :) You are so right! Haven't they heard of ZOOM!!

Surely they just ping your records over to the new surgery these days? Very dark ages! I hope you get your prescription soon Brian. Hope you are settling in well :) xx

Bingo88 profile image
Bingo88 in reply toleo60

Thanks so much love. I got it Friday lunchtime exactly a week after I asked for it. And just got passed from the surgery to the main surgery then they said ring 111. And then they said they wanted identification and then they scanned my features to make sure they matched up. But said it would be 72 hours before they came back to me. So I chased them again Monday morning and eventually got a Lady with a bit of common sense to get things sorted out

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toBingo88

What a palaver! Glad you got it sorted out now xx

ladygigger profile image
ladygigger

I'm 'lucky' that I only have very mild COPD (although sometimes it's called emphysema). I've been prescribed a tiotopium bromide inhaler with small capsules which I insert in an inhaler every morning, pierce and inhale. Ok, so that's a capsule a day and the inhaler itself is fully plastic. The box (cardboard, recyclable) contains a bottle of these capsules plus a new inhaler body every month. I'm putting them all in the recycling and hoping that they'll be dealt with.

Lichen blooming on a church bench
leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toladygigger

Love the Lichen, it gets overlooked far too much!

We do our best with our recycling, often it's difficult to know what's what! Thing is don't be made to feel guilty for using meds that you need :) xx

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ladygigger in reply toleo60

Well at least my inhaler/capsule container and cardboard box look recyclable. It's all the tablets and their packaging that I take for my PMR (Polymyalgia Rheumatica) that concern me. I still haven't found anywhere that I can recycle blister packs and, being on: 3 different size steroid tablets to get to current dosage, plus tablets to reduce damage to stomach from steroids, calcium tablets, water retention tablets and some to increase bone density that I'm not allowed to take yet as I've recently had teeth out the number of blister packs can rapidly mount up.

I had a lichen spotting day earlier in the week - I also found this fern with spores.

Fern with spores
leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toladygigger

The fern is beautiful too 😊

Maybe your surgery or Pharmacy could advise on how to recycle those bits? You could let me know too! Xx

Biofreak profile image
Biofreak

Agree with every word you say Leo. The world has gone mad. What a totally thoughtless thing to say for a charity which is there to support people with lung conditions, be it asthma or any other lung condition . It is totally necessary to use the inhaler that suits you. They should focus on championing the sufferers and getting the treatment they deserve from the NHS and not minute carbon emissions from the inhalers people use to help them breathe.

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toBiofreak

Exactly! 👍 xx

Timberman profile image
Timberman

"looking at my kids’ posts." What?

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply toTimberman

Hahaha! They put me on there!! Started when my younger daughter went to Australia, she said that at least I would know she was alive even if she hadn’t been directly in touch!

Now it’s just a means of communicating to me and their friends in one go! I wouldn’t dream of noseying into their lives! I don’t need to anyway, we talk as well! 🤣🤣 xx

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jackdup

I am always amused when you hear the celebrities lecturing us when many own a half a dozen large houses and fly around in a private jet. I’m sure their footprint is likely equal to about 50 or 100 average people. Same as looking at what is coming out of the smokestacks of so many manufacturing plants all over the world and we are supposed to believe that stopping the use of certain inhalers, that in many cases are desperately needed, will make any appreciable difference? I believe in doing your part where you can but to be expected to do without a medication that enables you to breath better is over the top. I don’t think all of the inhalers in the world combined would put out as much in pollutants, or whatever you want to call them, in a year as what comes out of one of the large smokestacks in an hour.

leo60 profile image
leo60 in reply tojackdup

Exactly! And yet they try to change our tried and tested medication and make it difficult / guilt ridden to change back 🤷‍♀️ xx

jackdup profile image
jackdup in reply toleo60

Don’t be guilt ridden whatsoever, it is not an option, you need it.

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JulyAugust

Hi Laurie, I wouldn’t take too much notice of all this carbon footprint stuff. That’s not to say I don’t do my bit regarding recycling but when you think about how we never hear the end of improving our carbon footprint in the U.K., it really doesn’t matter how conscientious you are if the big giants like China and the USA are not really bothering then there seems little point in fretting over it.

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leo60 in reply toJulyAugust

I agree about the sh1t that China and the USA spew on a daily basis, it makes using a less environmentally friendly inhaler of little importance. My gripe is that we are made to feel bad about it when it is something we cannot do without. It makes me especially angry as ALUK should be supporting our needs. Xx

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Stratos20

Don’t feel guilty Laurie. You’re obviously doing a lot more than most of us to help save the planet. I think they’re completely out of order. We all do our best to get by with these unwanted conditions. I wish you good health. Diane 😊

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leo60 in reply toStratos20

Thank you, and all the best to you too Diane xx

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