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Haven't looked it up yet, but I came across a couple of interesting records while on Ancestry this miserable wet Sunday afternoon...

They are both for brothers who were Broadloom Weavers in the late 1600's in Gloucestershire...they are inventories of all their goods and chattels, including the clothes they were wearing at the time and the money in their pockets.

Not the same as a Will...these inventories appeared to be obligatory...I'll Google later on and see what occurs.

While looking at this particular branch of our family I found three Reverends...all of whom were incumbents at small village Churches in Gloucestershire...the earliest chap was alive and well in 1535...

And I was wondering what kind of lives they led...those clever men who'd been to Oxford and wrote in flowing script on the pages of vellum, records of baptisms and marriages...burials and grave plots bought. They were cousins of mine, those worthy men, who probably had to kick the odd straying pig out of the aisle and ask a local farmhand to put clean straw down on the floor because there was a wedding due to take place...

I wish I could stand beside them for a little while when they baptised tiny babies from ancient fonts and cussed at the pigeons nesting in the roof...lean over their shoulder while they dipped their quill into an ink-pot, to carefully write out a new baby's name...sprinkle a little sand to dry the ink and put the precious book back in the wooden chest at the back of the church...

Were they kindly disposed towards the young Curate who slept in the attic room of the vicarage...shivering with the cold in winter...sweating with the heat in summer-time...did they make sure he was properly fed and had a decent pair of leather shoes to wear...

I'd liked to have gone to the vicarage for supper one night, to sit at the long wooden table with the sons and the daughters and eat from a pewter platter and drink rough ale, while my cousin, the Incumbent, read a passage from the Bible out loud and pinched the serving girls bottom as she ladled out a greasy soup...

Edwardus, the Broadloom weaver, who was married to a woman named Julien, would have been another interesting person to spend some time with...he was born in the early 1600's and lived his entire life in the same small village.

Broadlooms were much larger than the standard loom and needed two people to operate them...his loom, according to the inventory, was worth three pounds...I don't know what kind of a dwelling he would have lived in. Perhaps it was small and modest enough...maybe it was the biggest home in all of the village with a good view of the stocks from the windows.

It would be so interesting to spend time with Edwardus...watching him and his assistant work the loom that turned out fabric for the households all around. Bed sheets and tablecloths and dinner napkins were in his inventory...as were bales of cloth, probably ready to be sold on.

He would have had servants I expect...perhaps Julien was kindly towards her cook and the girl who tended the children...maybe she was rough and beat them when they didn't work as hard as she wished for...but I'd like to meet her and ask her what her life is like...living as she does with a man of some importance in his immediate society.

I hope she and Edwardus didn't take the children to watch a hanging or bear baiting in the local town...

And I'm wondering whether the Vicars and the Weavers spent time together...did they meet in a local ale-house for a gossip and to hear the news from the Court...did they visit each other on a Sunday afternoon or go for a picnic down by the river...

Did they worry about the cost of living and what was going to happen when the King died...or were their concerns perhaps more trivial...having new quills cut and a supply of ink for the Vicars to keep their records, might have taken precedence over what was happening in the Royal Chambers... maybe the weavers were more likely to fret over the ready supply of wool, especially after hearing of the devastation a pack of wolves had caused a local flock of sheep...

Every time I go onto the Ancestry site...whether I'm researching our own family or someone else's, I'm left with more questions than answers...

Who were they...those people I find with their old names...Margaretha and Alsye...Jone and Ricardus...do their phantoms and essences still drift about the burial grounds in small villages...absorbed into the soft red bricks of ancient homes...can they be met in tiny churches with stout wooden pews and a poor box chained to the wall...do they waft over grassy paths on a winters afternoon...

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Oh what a wonderful tale you weave (excuse the pun) xx

Hi Vashti,

I haven't finished reading your interesting post ( I save them to have with a cup of tea- yummy). Just thought I would let you know what went on in the years before the authorities got involved in compiling a person's wealth, in order to tax it. If a person was 'substantial' enough, two people of good character, usually their friends, were required to make a list and value of their belongings. This helped with proving the will and settling outstanding debts or recovering money owed. I believe that the will inventory would then be lodged in the consistory court of the Bishop for that area. I have a wonderful book of Stratford upon Avon inventories which are now in the Worcester record office. I'm sorry that I am a bit vague about this. I have done a lot of work on 16c and 17c wills and inventories but all of my stuff is up the garden in my chalet. If you can decipher the names on the inventory and are lucky enough to find the will, you may be able to find out who were your ancestor's friends and what they did for a living etc.

I hope that helps.

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Thank you about a million times for the information...it's the first time I've ever come across these inventories. Going to have a good look tomorrow to see if I can decipher all the wording...thank you very much indeed!

Chalet? Mines a shed...lol

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I'm so glad it helps. Chalet sounds very grand. It' a very big shed in a chalet shape. We are a row of little two bed bungalows and most of us have one. It is very useful. It is the size of my living room and I have mydesk and files, a spare ' Elizabethan' dining table and my books and the grandchildren's' books and toys in there. They love going up the garden to play in it and it means I can indulge my OCD in my teeny dolls' house bungalow by having no clutter about.

Do let me knowif you come across any more goodies. It is easy to become hooked on inventories. It's like spying inside the homes of long gone folks. xxx

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Your chalet sounds lovely actually...my little shed is where I retreat to sew and play about!

It's the very first time I've ever come across inventories...found plenty of Wills before though. Like how so many people used to leave their feather bed to a wife or a daughter...

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and Shakespeare leaving his wife his second best bed. Many think that this was an insult to her? We were always having to explain to visitors that his daughter inherited his house and with it the best bed which was only for display (show off ) purposes. The second best bed was the marital bed, the centre of intimate exchanges and secrets. Now if he had not left her that she would have been insulted.

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Oh and good luck with deciphering the 17c writing. It was getting a bit better then. 16c secretary hand is a nightmare. You can get little books which decipher it. I did a course but I amlosing the knack because I don't read enough of it now.

Wonderful as usual vashti! Have just been googling the 16C and came across this little snippet which I didn't know -

Christopher Marlowe, English playwright/poet

[born in Canterbury, 6 Feb 1564; stabbed in eye and died 30 May 1593

in Deptford, England, possibly a counterespionage assassination

I wonder if it was Will Shakespeare who organised it? :) x

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I am 'resting' from being a volunteer at Shakespeare's Birthplace and we wonder quite a lot what would have happened if Christopher Marlowe had not been killed. Two genius playwrites ( and don't forget Ben Johnson). at the same time. We have Marlowe 's The Jew of Malta on at the RSC at present. It rattles along at a tremdous pace and is wonderful to watch. But then, the end of the 16c was the flowering of British literature. Could this have anything to do with so many of them being grammar school boys and not aristocrats. Big debate there!

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Seen Anne Hathaway's cottage...thought it a bit twee actually!

Such a lovely way to spend your time SS, especially as you like the old playwrights ...

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I did know he was stabbed in the eye...from school perhaps....but had totally forgotten the dates.

Not keen on Shakespeare, so I'll say he was responsible...lol

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Hello Vashti,

I live in a Gloucestershire village in an area called the Five Valleys of which a town called Stroud is the hub.There are cloth mills in every valley, some converted to flats and houses but some are refurbished as museums and at least one is still working.They make the scarlet cloth for Guardsman's uniform, the baize for snooker tables that are used in the big competitions and the covers for tennis balls used at Wimbledon. The village I live in is called Woodchester and we have a Roman Villa, it's in the old graveyard and was found in the 1800 when they started finding tessaries when they were digging graves, you can look it up online. It wouldn't be soft red brick in this area but limestone cottages and houses! Keep smiling

Carole x

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thank you for that Carole. Very interesting.

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I have a friend who lives in Stow on the Wold. It's a wonderful place, Gloucestershire. I love the cotswold stone. x

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And this is where my Weaver cousins hailed from! Wouldn't it be amazing if one of their homes was now a museum...

Although I'm passionate about history, I have little interest in the Romans but I'd still like to see the site of the Roman Villa.

I bet that you are much better at it than me because you are practising all of the time.

So sorry....my replies to you are all jumbled up...don't know why that happens sometimes.

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