In a recent answer to a post on the cost of an ablation I suggested that the "hotel costs" of an over night stay in hospital was around £500.
Sorry but I was well off beam there.
This morning I attended a talk from the CEO of our local hospice during which he commented that although they do get a small annual grant from NHS, they save that body £5 for every £1 of grant. He explained that every night a patient spends in hospital costs NHS £3000!
So now we know.
Premier Inn iz cheaper !
I expected better from you John. lol 😁
3000 Euro per night at Bordeaux.
Is that your own experience Mike?
Yes Lilypocket. That's what I paid for each of my 2 nights there early this year - all in including private room, food, all medical care/monitoring/nursing etc.
As I live in France and have taken french nationality also ( whilst keeping my british of course 😄) it cost me next to nothing for 2 nights and all the medical costs. But EP's in the UK are brillant too. Why did you go to Bordeaux - or do you live in France too?
I live in the UK Lilypocket.
I went to Bordeaux because I specifically wanted to be treated/ablated by Prof Jais since he has done well-over 10K AF ablations and is rightly regarded as one of the top handful of EPs in the world when it comes to treating/ablating AF.
Yes there are some good EPs here in the UK. The problem is..... on the NHS you will almost certainly get one of their extended team of EPs doing your ablation rather than them. If you want top UK EP Mr X in particular you can only be sure of actually having Mr X doing your ablation if you pay privately. And that would actually cost a little more - rather than less - here in the UK than going to Bordeaux.
Ah ok. I had my ablation done in the Paris région by à fairly young EP but who does about 600 ablations a year so I didn't go to Bordeaux. How is it going so far foryou?
Not bad so far thank you. A couple of short (1 or 2 minute) runs of fast regular rhythm (likely atrial tachycardia (not AFlutter) as I had this mixed with AF prior to ablation) but only short lived and quickly back to NSR. Was persistent AF/AT for 10 weeks prior to second (first PVI in 2018) ablation by Prof Jais on 03/01/23, so things are a LOT better than they were! Fingers crossed….,
That's great news! So he did your first ablation too? Persistant Afib is a harder nut to crack but fingers crossed things seem to be going well for you. Long may this ablation last for you 🤞
So much cheaper in Spire!
yikes that’s a lot?!!!!
Is that the total cost, rather than just the "hotel costs" - including nursing staff etc?
Quoted as the cost to NHS of one night stay. Obviously nursing care has to be included but any treatment or procedures are extra, hence the warning re ablation. Any complications can be costly.
Don't forget insurance, building maintenance cost, electricity, heating, air con etc etc. Etc will all be built into a per night cost
yes actually you’re so right, years back in uk so that must be fifteen years ago I paid private to gave my shoulder repaired as I was in such pain and nhs was a years wait, and was in overnight, it cos 5.000 back then, it’s the room, the anesthetists, the nurses, the drugs, dressings, it’s endless….I left in morning so wasn’t even there 24 hours…
I could have a suite at the Savoy for that with hot and cold running butlers!!
That's interesting as I, too, thought that a general ward bed per day was about £550, but that was quoted during the pandemic. A quick look this morning suggests that the NHS calculate differently, however, so I'm not sure.
Steve
Steve I'm sure it varies from hospital to hospital. The comment came as an aside during a section when he explained that they had an arrangement with Paramedics and Ambulance service where if such were called to an at home end of life patient, that patient was to be taken to the hospice bedded unit rather than local A and E. Two benefits, patient treated in quiet dedicated place not overcrowded A and E and much cheaper to NHS.
Three words that we see daily thanks to the media strike fear into my heart and hospice is one, with the others being cancer and dementia. Hospices are wonderful places in many ways, of course. We have Rainbows Hospice down the road from us and that is something very special for youngsters.
Steve
Ours is literally on the corner of our lane and a real Pain in the ****. They have seminars and give lessons on paliative care for hundreds of people each week and they all park along the lane so we often have to reverse hundreds of yards to let people past but of course nobody complains because of who they are.
It would be interesting to have a breakdown of that cost. No wonder the NHS is in trouble.
Hi, I had private heart op and ablation, separately at Brompton, London, 20 21 and nightly cost for room alone was circa £1000. All medical costs were on top, blood tests, oxygen drugs, whatever. As I didn't see initial post not sure what your costings referred to. My advice to anyone for private work is add another 30% on to any estimate as hospital is out to make as large a profit as poss and will if poss take it out of your pocket.
In the U.S., average hospital cost per night is $2873. Medical debt is about $140 billion. At least you guys have NHS and way more control over drug and medical costs, even if there's more delays and drama than you want. We're struggling well-funded open fascism now, and afraid they will win.
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