AF back after 18 months.

[LordGabriel]

The damned AF is back. I woke up this morning with a pounding headache and a bouncy heart.

18 months since my ablation.

Damn.

I’ve taken Flec 150mg (pill in the pocket).

No change yet.

Gutted.

[jeanjeannie50]

Sorry to hear your news. The following are tips to get you out of Af, they're not mine but one's that I've copied from this forum:

Tips for stopping an AF attack:

I am a therapist in private practice for over 20yrs.One of my therapies is yoga based. Having quite an accurate knowledge of anatomy, neurology and physiology also having PAF I have found this technique helps me immensely when my heart is fluttering like crazy. Make yourself comfortable either on a bed or lying on the floor,position a pillow under you head, Raise your left arm in an extension position as if you are doing the backward crawl,Stretch as much as you can and imagine that it is stretching your heart muscle...I bend my arm and position my hand under my head palm upwards.. Stay in that position for as long as you can or until the fluttering subsides...At the same time I think of something pleasant.It does not matter what you think about as long as it is a pleasant thought for you. This stops my heart jumping about almost instantly....I also place my right hand over my heart area...Don't panic and just keep calm thinking pleasant thoughts....I do hope this helps you. Kind Regards.C

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As someone else who finds yoga breathing and some positions helpful, I would love to try (xxxx) suggestion, but lying down flat tends to make things worse for me. My most helpful position, taught me by a lovely yoga teacher, is based on a yoga forward bend. I sit up with my legs outstretched in front of me and a pillow under my knees, and then bend forward from the hips not the waist, with my arms relaxed but outstretched towards my ankles, and breath deeply and slowly. It's not so good on a full stomach and is more comfortable with your knees slightly apart, and I guess you have to be a bit flexible to find it comfortable, but it has proved to be a great help.

I agree with (xxxx) that staying calm and focusing on something pleasant is a must, and I've even fallen asleep like this as most of my episodes occur at night. All the best Liz

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Finally, like AV nodal reentry, some people have recurrent rapid rhythms that are infrequent and easy to self-control by using various methods to increase neural slowing to the AV node (so-called, "vagal maneuvers"). Using these maneuvers, one can sometimes stop the arrhythmia. These maneuvers include:

Bearing down forcefully like you're having a bowel movement for 5-10 seconds, then slowly exhaling.in the neck while lying down for approximately 5 seconds

Placing very cold (soaked in ICE water) cloth on the face abruptly.

Coughing forcefully

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There's a yoga breathing exercise that has worked for me before. Lie on your back, bend your knees up so they are above your hips and your lower legs are at 90 degrees. Take a breath in for a count of 4 then breathe out for a count of at least 8. As you breathe out, bring your knees into your chest so you curl into a ball. When you think you've got all the air out of your lungs, try and breathe out more! Breathe in again for 4 and release your legs out to the starting position. Repeat several times. It helps to reset the diaphragm and focus should be on a good long out-breath.

Please reoprt back if any of these work.

Good luck.

Jean

[LordGabriel in reply to jeanjeannie50]

JJ…. I tried the last one and I’m back in rhythm for now! Thankyou!! I will get referred back now to St George’s London as I’d been discharged.

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to LordGabriel]

Wow, that's so good to hear!! Stay in sinus rhythm now and that's an order! Lol.

[Hidden in reply to jeanjeannie50]

Just making sure mjm1971 sees this….well done both!

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to Hidden]

I'd already sent it to him, don't think it's helped.

[Hidden in reply to jeanjeannie50]

Was going to “like” your post but didn’t. Might look as if I liked the fact that it didn’t help him…….😳🤔😩 !

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to Hidden]

You have to be so careful these days.

[mjm1971 in reply to Hidden]

I’m actually out of AF 👍. Although didn’t use the exercises I just woke up back in NSR . Now preying it stays that way

[Hidden in reply to mjm1971]

Fanbloomintastic!

[LordGabriel in reply to jeanjeannie50]

I’m trying JJ!

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to LordGabriel]

Trying what? You're not back in AF are you?

[LordGabriel in reply to jeanjeannie50]

No, to do what you said, stay in sinus rhythm 😁

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to LordGabriel]

Keep relaxed and calm, no heavy lifting, alcohol, big meals or exerting yourself for at least 24 hrs, the longer you do that the more chance of staying in sinus rhythm.

[Singwell in reply to jeanjeannie50]

Where can I find this original? Would like it in saved. Thanks for posting

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to Singwell]

They were all copied from this forum at different times You should be able to highlight the info from here, copy it, then open something like a Word document and paste it into there, that's what I did. If you want me to send you a copy PM me your email address and I'll send you a copy that way.

Jean

[Snowgirl65 in reply to jeanjeannie50]

That's exactly what I did just now -- cut and pasted your yoga advice from someone else, onto a Word document saved especially for a-fib.

[Singwell in reply to jeanjeannie50]

Thank you Jean. I appreciate that and will PM you.

[kkatz in reply to jeanjeannie50]

I wonder about trying these but I have a large hiatus hernia that I am sure aggravates my AF.

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to kkatz]

I have a hiatus hernia too. I think if I had the need to get out of an attack of AF I would do these exercises gently and on an empty stomach. Perhaps not too much bending either.

[LordGabriel in reply to kkatz]

I had mine operated on. I wonder if it’s creeping back though.

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to LordGabriel]

How did you manage to get your hernia operated on? I didn't think that was offered in general.

Jean

[LordGabriel in reply to jeanjeannie50]

I had a bariatric surgeon and initially had a gastric sleeve done which caused the hernia. He then revised it to a gastric bypass and repaired the hernia at the same time. Sleeve in 2012 and bypass in 2019 after AF had struck in 2018.

[Lyndylan in reply to jeanjeannie50]

JJ I woke up at 2 am with AFIB. I finally tried the first exercise suggested and it worked. Thanks so much for posting

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to Lyndylan]

I'm so pleased to hear that.

[Kaz747]

Sending virtual hugs your way.

[JOY2THEWORLD49]

Oh Dear LordGabrielLast night did you anything different?

I have aF rapid and persistent. But because of a 'bad' ribcage I dont feel it. I guess that's a blessing.

Now under control I'm not even taking my BP etc.

Medical are turninfg down Ablation for me and I've never been offered it or other procedure during the 2.1/2 years.

Now saying I have had it too long due to ca Thyroid and undiagnosed caused Stroke in 2019.

I am 73 years now.

Take care and try to accept that you had18mths free and you could have itagain.

Have a Thyroid Neck Scan.

cheri. JOY

[LordGabriel in reply to JOY2THEWORLD49]

I’m back in rhythm… thanks! However it’s obviously back. I don’t have attacks as such, just constant AF when it comes. Only an intervention stops it. I did eat quite a lot of chocolate the night before! Maybe that triggered it.

I do have some stomach problems too.

Who knows!

You are lucky not to feel it at least!

[secondtry in reply to LordGabriel]

Choc could be a contributory culprit - sugar and caffeine. I have cut chocolate down to a half a square of dark and sometimes a choc biscuit both before 1pm.