Has anyone ever successfully recovered from AFIB ( chronic or intermittent) using complementary/ holistic medicine and if so can you please share that with us?
Are there doctors healers and practitioners out there who are having success restoring normal sinus rhythm and if so, who and where?
I am so sick of hospitals, toxic drugs and invasive procedures. There is an epidemic of AFIB in America. All these millions of quivering hearts and yet the doctors are completely clueless as to what's causing it. There has got to be a better way that identifies ROOT CAUSE and restores harmony to the bodymind. That's what I'm interested in hearing about.
AFIB SUCCESS STORIES THROUGH HOLISTIC TREATMENT.
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If you look up a podcast The Doctors Kitchen itβs a young doctor who cured himself of AF , he explains in the first episode, went on to train in nutrition and his holistic thread may have the information you are looking for
Yes. Thanks. I just took Magnesium Citrate and will continue to. Natiral CALM. I have it right here but have not beentaking it. I'm sure my electrolytes are depleted. Took those too and will continue.Thanks so much for your supportive and swift! response. Trying to stay out of fear and anxiety.
Hi, Sparky143, I'm so glad you asked this and hope there are some helpful replies that will yield consistent results in terms of homeostasis and eliminating this mongrel condition!
Hi... I have frequent PVCβs . .. I am controlling them well with Taurine, L-Arginine, magnesium, potassium, coQ10..drinking a lot of water daily..and eating as healthy as possible ( Iβm not perfect) but I am intentional daily on what I put in my body.. I also donβt take any medications.. only natural remedies! No vaccines etc. I also try to do 30 mins on the treadmill 6 days a week.. some days I i only do 20. All of these things have helped people with AF too. Good luck
NIKI,Thank you so much. I got a strong nudge to load up on magnesium, potassium, electrolytes and minerals today as well as D3 and C, Lemon Balm amd epsom salt baths.Havent tried L Arginine yet. I need to improve my diet as well I did do a berry almond milk smoothie with berries, organic baby spinach, Garden of life Protein powder chocolate flavored βΊοΈfull of Sprouted things, greens, Amino Acids, Probiotics and pther goodies.. and a cup of cranberries, which one guy in Australia said atopped his AFIB along with D3. and keeping his calcium levels below 400.
At this point I'll try anything.
Your treadmill regime sounds great. Steady on! I need to walk 30 mins a day as I've been almost completely sedentary. Thanks again.
Hi Niki do you get pain with the ectopics I have had a loop recorder put in on Friday next step another ablation my third to control ectopics, what is your burden of ectopics after your regime? Many thanks Ingrid
I had 12% before .. I have not had another monitor yet since treating them myself ( my monitor that showed 12% was at the end of November ) but I can tell you they are hugely reduced.. I can feel all of them when I have them...
It's going to be important to look into your whole lifestyle. Don't get seduced into supplements is my advice - they alone will not fix the problem. It's what you put into your body on a daily basis that makes a difference. Listen to Dr Rupy's podcast where he interviews a cardiologist on the FRESH project. His own recipes are practical and tasty. You also need good sleep patterns, regular exercise and to learn to manage stress and anxiety levels. It's a whole life change thing. I honestly feel far better between episodes than I did before my AF and that's what gets me through. BTW there is no known ROOT cause of AF according the medical science so far. I've looked into this as have many of us here - multiple 'associations' but no clear aetiology. So with you on the meds though. Mine are pretty heavy duty and after a year you notice the difference. Good luck!
There is ALWAYS a root cause to EVERY condition. The Law of Cause and Effect. " No known root cause according to medical science" are the operative words here. The Medical Industrial Complex has no interest in uncovering root cause. There's no money in curing people! And you can't cure people without uncovering root cause, for in root cause lies the remedy. This is the practice of true medicine. thank you for your recommendation of Dr Rupy. I will check it out. Wishing you good health and continued well being.
Agreed. Medical science has not YET found the root cause. I've had discussions about this with two cardiologists and other medical friends. Body is a logical and intricate machine. Something in my body periodically tells cells in my heart to send out electrical messages that mess with my normal pacemakers. It doesn't happen all the time, therefore something in the body's system is causing that response. I could not find anyone or anything that gave me a definitive answer to this. Given that AF is practically an epidemic in the first world you'd think there'd be more research into causality rather than treatment. But that is mainstream medical science for you. It's possible the pandemic will cause a change in this thinking. I believe it's already happening. There's a new wave of younger medics out there on social media who think differently. As to causality - my money is on the gut brain and microbiome.
I would agree that it could have something to do with the micro biome. My gut is terrible and has been for last 9/10 years. I donβt drink, I donβt smoke, I donβt do (recreational) drugs,I donβt eat junk food or sugar. Iβd love to know what causes it but so far not much luck. Closest Iβve got to a cause is leaky gut syndrome but fixing it is another matter. My issues have been piling up over the years and now Iβve got this thrown on top which is great π Iβm all for holistic 100% should be the way medicine is done but unfortunately itβs not and my symptoms are terrible so right now got no choice but to take the drugs π
Feel for you! I'd recommend Drs Kitchen Podcast if you're looking to help with leaky gut and all of that. Ive had digestive problems all if my adult life, starting with a perforated stomach aged 19, no ulcer no 'cause' but we think they tied my vagus nerve nevertheless (early 1970s). 20 years of acid reflux and I now suspect a sliding hiatus hernia. BUT since addressing my digestion to heal it, not just eliminate problem foods, I rarely get the reflux and feel miles better. Still get AF though π
Thanks for that Iβll check it out. You seem like youβve got a list of ailments yourself. Sorry to hear that. I can deal with the bad gut and dodgy muscles but the AF really does me over. Chest pain again tonight. Thought it was easing off π«
Hi! I can only relate what my cousin Ireland did because Iβm on amiodarone an awaiting my second cardioversion, but she is very anti all βmedicalβ treatments and had been for years. She thinks Iβm crazy as when she had AFib she stopped it by having acupuncture and taking Chinese remedies.I donβt know if this is helpful, but wanted to share it with you!
I have tried many holistic treatments over the years including acupuncture with 2 different Acupuncturists. I went to one of them regularly for several years and the other for several months but it didnβt help the AF. I resisted medication for years but due to hospital admissions, ended up on them anyway and now also have a CRT pacemaker due to heart failure. However, as is often cited here, we are all different and what works for one might or might not work for others.
I would add, never give up a medication your doctor has prescribed without consulting them first - particularly the sorts of medications that tend to be given for AF, like anticoagulants and bisoprolol. There's lots of information on the Association website that is very helpful and in general, the docs tend to say to keep your weight in a normal range, cut down on the booze and caffeine. I take Vit D3 and magnesium citrate (and add Epsom salts to my bath). But stress will still put me in AF, every time.
Good smart words. I am 50 lbs overweight. Exhaustion and a 7 yr roller coaster ride through hell with many meds and depression as well as pandemic isolation and depression and mainlining comfort foods definitely drove my weight up.
I believe that an epidemic of STRESS is the root cause of many current dis-eases, including and especially the epidemic of AFIB. I mean,look at how insane our world is and you wonder why millions of people are walking around with quivering hearts.
I have had more AFib during lockdown and all the ups and downs of last year than in the previous two years... I am sure stress plays a large part in a lot of health problems.
YES it absolutely does. Fear and anxiety about Covid puts people into 24/7 perpetual Flight / Flight. This drains the adrenals and lowers our immune systems. Anyone in terror about getting Covid is a magnet for getting it. I heard Bruce Lipton explaining this so well the other day. So regardless of everything that's going on it's really essential to our health to turn off the tv, stop absorbing the constant dire drone of all the bad thing that have and could happen, put on some uplifting music or listen to an inspiring blog, pet your cat, take a bath, watch a funny movie, Go for a nice walk with your dog, look for things to feel good about, read poetry, write poetry, paint, play your piano or guitar of tuba!! Enjoy the sweet moments. Call up your friends on the telephone. Bring back TALKING!! Cook beautiful meals, play ! Feel Good Now no matter what . They've programmed the People to feel afraid but you don't have to buy into that. You can wear your mask, yes, socially distance when out and about but you can still smile and find stuff to feel good about. You can still be happy!! And happy life, happy heart, I say. ( Now I need to do what I just said!) Love, Sparky ππβ¨π₯°πβοΈβοΈβοΈβοΈππ¬ππππππππππΌββοΈππ»πΊπΎπ¦π§πΌββοΈ
Meditation has been helpful for me -when I use it regularly. It has not cured my AF, but I think it assist in managing it. You might be interested in reading about ways to stimulate the Vegas nerve. I think my AF is/was connected to the vagus nerve, but thatβs my opinion. I am with you all the way in trying to find some type of natural βcure β . Others have mentioned vitamins etc. all of which may help, Please be sure to post if you find a magic cure! Best to you.
I consulted an experienced Alternative Practitioner who said all I need was googleadservices.com/pagead... check out the host of ingredients and also CoQ10. He didn't say much about lifestyle changes but I think supplements must be in conjunction with the latter; we generally (saints excluded) have degenerated into such poor lifestyle habits across the board that quite frankly it is a tribute to our bodies that they have coped as well as they have. Any one solution will not work for all though. I had to accept drugs (Flecainide) to stop the AF quickly at the outset as I had hit a bad run of 9 episodes in a month, since then a lot has changed in my life pretty much all of which has been good. Keep going it is hard work but worth it nb I am 67yo, active, with Lone PAF vagally mediated with only two very short episodes since 2014. Hope something there helps.
Thank you! I just bought some Magnesium Glycinate last night and have started talking it. It also has lemon balm and lavender oil. Very good for stress reduction . Capsules made by Natural Calm. I also have their Magnesium Citrate powder. I read that Magnesium Glycinate is the best form and also back up by a holistic MD I know. Yours looks top drawer. Thanks again.
If you are interested in root causes, explore the world of functional medicine where this is at the core. There is a website with registered practitioners. Often root cause for A Fib seems to be diet; stress or toxins which lead to inflammation within the body. ( When there is no physical cause) Mine, we suspect is due to toxic load as I tested positive for high levels of two mycotoxins from living in a water damaged building. Diet and stress has been easier to address but has not solved the problem for me. So am focussing on reducing inflammation, gut biome and toxins. Dr Rupy and also Dr Chatterjee work on similar principles. Also look at Dr Jack Wolfson who has a website/ FB page and is known as The Paleo Cardiologist.
Yes. Very smart and you are right. I've let money get in the way of allowing myself to get the care that I need from a Functional Medicine doc. I must do it. Right away. I will look into the two drs you mention. Funny you should mention the Paleo doc. I have his book but havent read it. Animal protein seems important, along with veggies and fruit like berries. Well sourced. Thanks for the gentle kick in the pants. Ive been really ill, going downhill for 7 yrs unable to function normally and now after 7 1/2 mos of rock steady normal rhythm, to wake up in full blown AFIB yesterday is so discouraging. There is a whole picture of unwellness here, which led to the heart problem, not just the heart. And yes..full body head to toe inflammation. Thank you and I wish you radiant wellness. And that goes for everybody here.
I think things sneak up on us and we often think we are imagining things or it will be better tomorrow and then you suddenly realise that things have declined more than you realised consciously. So donβt be too hard on yourself. Acknowledge that you have recognised something is amiss and you are now going to work on it! The benefits of looking at all these lifestyle factors is that it will have an impact on optimising your health all round not just your heart health. Even though my AFib is not improved (yet) my blood profile shows that my metabolic balance; lipid profile and other markers have improved significantly. The cost sadly makes it not accessible to all and can be a barrier. I am lucky and have been using some money left to me by my dad as an investment in my long term health and life. That you canβt put a price on. You can do a lot of the functional medicine principles cheaply/free but you donβt get the personalisation or access to the testing. Good luck with it all and tell us how you get on
Forgot to mention that you can pick a functional medicine practitioner who is also a medical doctor. I chose one who is qualified in both as I was nervous about all the prescribed medications and wanted someone with a good understanding of both so that I would not be putting myself at risk
A dietary approach producing complete elimination of frequent, severe, Paroxysmal Lone Atrial Fibrillation without use of surgery or medication: strong indications of the unknown cause(s) of LAF
Thank you for this link regarding one man's successful attempt to cure AF by diet sleeksheep. Everyone should read this if they want a natural cure. I had seen it before, but really needed the reminder. Jean
I find it interesting that even in our sunny climate here in Perth he still suggests Vit. D3 (and K2 ) . The low calcium intake I already was observing ( due to stones ) and I havent tried cranberries as I take Citrus Bioflavonoids (Sytrinol and Citrus Bergamot ).
I havent cured it but I am asymptomatic where as I originally was very symptomatic .
Sounds like you're on the right track. What dose of vitamin D3 are you taking? I upped mine recently to 2000 a day and Steve takes 5000 on 5 days of the week. Think I need to buy some stronger stuff as the liquid one I use is expensive. I'm going to buy some prunes, guess that's what he means when he says dried plums. Vitamin K would clash with my warfarin.
As I am I an acute situation, I am doing a high dose loading for 3 days. as per Dr Norm Shealy MD ( also good for acute immune system boost)Then will resume at 50k once a week. After that will settle into the 5000 mgs 5 days a week
How does one consume 500 g of cranberries? What wd be the equivalent in terms of unsweetened pure cranberry juice by Rabenhorst? Wd that work as well?My husband has just been diagnosed with AF and just started on flecanide only. I am really keen to follow this routine by Steven Carr and hope that it will work for him. Tomorrow we will hv his blood checked for vitamin D, calcium etc.
Steve Carr, your diet protocol was a Godsend for me carrafibdietinfo.com/ . It took me almost a year tweaking the diet but I can say today I have completely eliminated the palpitations. After several doctor visits that included: chest x-ray, EKG, carotid ultrasound, Holter monitor, Bruce treadmill stress test with echo (that I insisted on having and had to pay for, insurance would not cover) that concluded excellent exercise tolerance etc the cardiologist and my internist had no clue how to help. Heartbeat at rest was 60bpm always. I had no palpitations during exercise so I jogged every other day and monitored heart rate to a max of 160 without problems. Jogging stopped the palpitations but only for a few hours at best. I added every type of magnesium I could but the only one that changed things was the Waller Water (magnesium bicarbonate). No other supplement with the exception of Vitamin D3 has helped (as we get older our body's ability to absorb Vit D from the sun diminishes significantly). I add a handful of fresh or frozen cranberries to my daily protein shake and that amount works well for me. I monitor my Vit D level by getting a blood test every 6 months. It stays constant at 60 ng/mL. I have even added back my daily coffee without any change.
I think each of us has a unique body profile and we have to experiment to see what works for us individually. I have to say your protocol was a huge base to start with and I can't thank you enough. I would have NEVER agreed to start any type of prescription medication nor would I agree to any surgery regardless of the outcome of not doing so.
Hi Sparky--I have always had a strong interest in 'natural' medicine and I trained as an aromatherapist. About 4 years ago I decided to go down the route of using a herbalist to help me with my paroxysmal A Fib. This woman had a good reputation and had given a talk at my gardening club about her training and I knew people who had gone to her in the past, so I booked an appointment with her. From my own training as an aromatherapist it is essential to take a complete medical history of the client and know which drugs they are taking. She did all of that and said she was sure she could help me. I felt she knew what she was doing. She left a bottle of herbal medicine at the clinic where she worked, for me to pick up. I saw her again and we discussed how I was getting on. I still felt very positive about letting her treat me. However, after I was half way through this bottle of meds, I thought I should ask what was in it, ( duh, should have done that before I started to take it) and so I emailed her and she sent me a long list of the herbs which were in her medicine. I was horrified!! She had put St John's Wort into it and that is contraindicated when you take Apixaban and she had put other herbs which act as natural blood thinners into it as well. I could not believe that this woman had made such elementary mistakes which could have harmed me. I cancelled my next appointment with her and never went back and poured the remainder of my expensive herbal medicine down the sink. I still believe in natural medicines, and my daughter-in-law is in the final stages of her training to work as an alternative health practitioner and perhaps she and I will work together to see if she can help with some of my health issues. I hope there is someone who can tell you that they have had their A Fib 'cured' by using alternative medicine, but my advice would be to proceed very cautiously when going down that route. I wish you well. Liz
Thanks, Liz The two systems are sadly completely different animals. If you choose allopathy they don't want you on any herbs. Because of this we have to make a choice which path to take. I agree this herbalist ought to have asked what medications you were on.
We have to be our own advocates and make educated choices. It is our responsibility to stay on top of all that stuff.
I've been unwell for so long I need a complete overhaul. The AFIB is but a symptom of deeper issues. Western Medicine will never look at the whole body. I need find somebody who will, who can tell me what's going on in my body, and what is the root cause of my AFIB. Thanks for your kind comment.
Hi Sparky--the herbalist did actually make a list of all the drugs i was taking, and I never left anything out of the list. Perhaps she was too lazy to cross reference the herbs with the meds! I so agree with you that Western medicine doesn't take a holistic approach to treating people and we end up having a whole plethora of meds for different ailments. If only they could look at us and find out the root of our problems, we'd be much better off. Whatever you decide to do I hope that it helps you. best wishes, Liz
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