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It is now 5 years since my ablation carried out by Prof. Schilling on 7th July 2015. No AF since and no medication apart from anti-coagulant. My blood pressure reverted to normal so no hypertensive treatment either. My general level of health and fitness has improved dramatically as well, although I am 5 years older (now 74). I walk 5 miles every day, play golf and feel better than I have for years. PAF was very debilitating for me, especially as it progressed to more frequent episodes, sometimes two or three a week. I am not the slightest bit convinced by the sentiment frequently expressed here that ablation is for QOL only, as I cannot believe that my life expectancy has not been improved by my new life, but QOL is great anyway. I am one the the many who benefit from ablation for PAF (80%+) and largely disappear from the forum. If I ever need another ablation I wouldn’t hesitate for a moment.

Regards to all,

Peter

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Great news........

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Ochg

Hello Peter,

Wonderful news, I am so glad your health has improved so much following your ablation five years ago.

I am due to have my ablation on Monday as I also have PAF, after reading your great news I am feeling less anxious now about the whole thing- and I sincerely thank you for that!!

Take care, and keep safe

Shirley 🙂

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Beta44 in reply toOchg

I have to admit that I was terrified when I went into the cath lab. When it was over I couldn’t believe how easy it had been (for me). I was very careful and followed all instructions and good advice from this forum, so made a good recovery. I am still careful with diet and exercise but do enjoy a glass of wine every night.

Good luck on Monday, I am sure all will go well.

Peter

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Ochg in reply toBeta44

Thank you Peter-

I will follow your advice!

Shirley

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Jalia

Very good to hear Peter. I'm sure this will help many who are hesitant about the procedure.

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BobDVolunteer

Good to hear Peter. Well done.

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jeanjeannie50

Thank you for coming back to the forum to tell us your good news. Your post will inspire everyone who's awaiting an ablation.

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Janith in reply tojeanjeannie50

Jean ... is this “positive well-being” ... are there various forums within HealthUnlocked? Thank you. Jan

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jeanjeannie50 in reply toJanith

No this is still the AF site. Yes, there are lots of other forums on Health Unlocked. I'm looking at this forum on my mobile phone at the moment and the link to see them is the square of 9 circles at the top left of this page. Click on it and scroll to find the list of other forums. When I'm on my PC tomorrow I'll do my best to send you some links.

Jean

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Janith in reply tojeanjeannie50

Thank you Jean ... l like the afib forum ... however l started receiving something called “positive well-being” l think ... l don’t like it ... is there a way to stop receiving their entries? Thank you soooo much! Isn’t this Covid a pain?! Hopefully you are okay and on the mend. You were ill for a time as l recall. Jan

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jeanjeannie50 in reply toJanith

Hi Jan

Go into the Postive Wellbeing page and at the top right you will see the word WRITE in a blue box. Alongside this to the left is a tick, click on this and that's it you've left that site. I was the same and inundated with posts drove me mad (well madder than I am).

Yes, this covid is certainly a pain. Makes us realise what freedom we had before it started - the world was our oyster! Now it appears it's not just having the virus that's the problem its the effect on the heart and lungs it leaves people with. I'm spending a lot of time at home and in my garden. Fortunately I live in a small fishing/seaside town and did feel fairly safe here, but now the holiday season has started visitors are pouring in which is a little worrying.

Jean

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Janith in reply tojeanjeannie50

Thank you Jean.

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Janith in reply toJanith

I was able to stop it thankfully! Thanks for your input. J.

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Finvola

Super, positive post Peter - such good news for you. Thank you.

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pottypete1

Thank you Peter for such an encouraging post.

Those that are apprehensive about have an ablation procedure in the near future will appreciate your positivity I am sure.

Pete

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Desanthony

Good to hear. Thanks for letting us know. I am waiting to get a date for my ablation though happily have been in NSR since my third CV in February so am feeling good at the moment.

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jerseygirl49

Such a positive report - thank you . Wishing you many more AF free years - well done and all the very best.

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Billiam54

Nice one! Long may it continue.

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saulger

Good luck. Keep it up and enjoy your lifestyle.

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secondtry

Brilliant & the same applies to Prof Schilling, must be one of the best in UK

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Cally53

Such a positive post. I'm one of the lucky ones who thankfully does not have high blood pressure. My overall health began to improve once I stopped taking the awful bisoprolol, which I now only use as a Pip. My ablation is booked for the 29th July and I look forward to further improvements in my health and well being once I recover from that.

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Beta44 in reply toCally53

Good luck, I hope it goes well.

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Cally53 in reply toBeta44

Thank you.

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Peony4575 in reply toCally53

Bisoprolol is awful indeed !

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7164

Peter

How good is that!!

I took the advice of Bob &co and had my cryoablation 4 weeks ago in Aberdeen.

First couple of weeks no problem. This week really tired and heart rate still about 20 bpm fast. Tiny 10 seconds af last night. I suspect all normal.

How long was it for you until the op settled? I am not worried but a little anxious about failure 😧

I know it is early days and the blanking period is three months.

Oh for a game of golf 😊

Rod

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Beta44 in reply to7164

I wonder if your 10 second runs are, actually, ectopics. I had quite a lot of episodes like that and was very concerned for a while until I decided they were probably ectopic beats. We are very, perhaps oversensitive to our heartbeats, for obvious reasons. I think that I still get occasional little runs but am much less aware as the years pass. A fast heart beat is normal for a while, even a few weeks or months, while the heart settles down.

I’m not sure about the golf, I started playing again a month ago after lockdown and managed to break my collarbone in an elaborate somersault type fall down a steep hill so no more golf for me for some weeks yet. Fortunately I can still manage my daily walk.

Hopefully your ablation will be a great success.

Good luck,

Peter

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7164 in reply toBeta44

Peter

Thank you. My golf is bad but not that dangerous 😊

We are sensitive to our heart. The rhythm is fine then I get a flushing feeling and a pause on the beat and then back to rhythm? That is usual for me a momentary pause then rhythm. Does that sound like ectopic beats?

Rod

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Beta44 in reply to7164

It does sound like ectopics to me but I’m not an EP. To look at it another way, why should it be AF. I have to admit that they scared me at first because it felt similar to AF starting up but then vanished, all in a few seconds.

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RichMert in reply to7164

3 - 6 months to know for sure and a fair bit longer to get your confidence back. You are no longer made of glass.

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7164 in reply toRichMert

Good analogy 😊

You are so right about confidence. At 4 weeks in I sit and think every day ‘please let this work’. Like many I got the horrible symptomatic Paf. Knocked my confidence and QOL.

Please tell me that you are fine now and generally not bothered by the beast

Rod

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RichMert in reply to7164

I had 2 ablation 6 years ago. Fingers crossed no PAF since. I am about 80% fixed. I get ectopic beats for short to long periods and the odd 6 second tachycardia. I ride a bike and walk a lot. During PAF I lost 3 days work a week and sat in front of TV a lot when I wasn't in the back of an Ambulance so I guess 80% is acceptable to me.

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7164 in reply toRichMert

Rich

Sad to hear about 6 years ago. How long did you have the paf before your ablation?

What do your ectopic feel like?

I too lost work and I am self employed

Thanks for the help

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RichMert in reply to7164

Yes self employed with a mortgage was not great for anxiety. 3 years with PAF before diagnosis, they kept blaming anxiety. Ectopics feel to me like a fraction of a second of wanting to throw up, gets you down over time but the magnesium citrate removed the feeling so I am no longer aware of them.

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7164 in reply toRichMert

Strange illness it is!

I have yet to conquer the anxiety and each time I get it I link it to what I doing. The more I link it the more I realise that it is my mind that is sparking it off.

Fatigue getting me at the moment but that will pass I hope 😊

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RichMert in reply to7164

I think you may be getting a bit hard on yourself. If you look carefully you will see that you will get the feeling of PAF coming on and the anxiety causes adrenalin to really kick it off and keeps it going. My PAF although not as a rule lasted for 2 hours each time (I guess that after 2 hours I just stopped worrying about it). Lets look at some of the REAL triggers. Standing up, turning over in bed, getting into bed, laughing at a non PC joke, having to brake hard in your car, bending down to get something from the bottom shelf in a Supermarket and believe it or not, relaxing.

I bet when you are totally stressed at work it does not do it but as soon as you get home in front of the TV it kicks off.

I am hoping this is starting to sound familiar and that you will put Anxiety to last on the list.

Speaking to somebody that has spent a life time getting to understand his Anxiety :-)

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7164 in reply toRichMert

Your paf sounds exactly like mine. Not quite the same but close. Sounds very vagal.

Add worrying about getting too hot then that covers it😊

Oh and too much wine. I stopped drinking two years ago when they told me that I had paf. I miss it sometimes but not worth it!

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RichMert in reply to7164

I still drink real ale moderately. I do not see a link as both parents had AF and were pretty much teatotal.

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ETFCfan

So wonderful to hear Im waiting for my third ablation at Barts and can’t wait as I know how much difference the other two made while they worked. I hope you stay AF free for many years to come.

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Beta44 in reply toETFCfan

Hopefully the third will be the final and effective one.

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Ijacp

Great to hear this Peter and thanks for sticking around and sharing! I am on static Flecainide and I have my PAF under reasonably good control (having had it for 15+ years over which period it got more frequent) after having pretty much become teetotal (I do miss the social drinking a lot bit I do also think it may well have led to my AF in first place). My EP offered an ablation but thinks there’s plenty time for that and as I tolerate Flec well and it does the job, leave the invasive stuff for later (I’m 52 and reasonably fit). I agree with you that this seems like it can be pretty much curable for some (ie much more than just masking the symptoms and improving QOL). Good luck to all on here in their struggle with this thing.

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Beta44 in reply toIjacp

I was on Flecainide for about 20 years but it gradually ceased to be effective. There were also side effects in the end such as nerve damage (numb areas) to extremities. I was also on a largish dose of Bisoprolol which finally gave me Reynaud’s Syndrome. I knew when it was time for the ablation and I’m glad I didn’t leave it any longer.

Peter

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7164 in reply toIjacp

I thought that the general rule now was have the ablation whilst you are still PAf and as soon as possible?

So confusing as to what is best.

Rod

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Ijacp in reply to7164

Yes and no! Think there is a point, as PAF progresses, after which an ablation has more chance to not be as effective. And also the risks increase with age. My EP seems to think I can afford to wait and I’m ok with this. No doubt about it though, it’s confusing alright.

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RichMert in reply to7164

I think they look at age, whether the drugs work and how much you are costing them by not giving you an ablation. PAF customers are more likely to make their statistics for outcome better. Mine was running very close to persistent and at 50 they could not keep me on the Amiodarone for 30 years

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chalky1991

I have loads of respect for Proff Shilling he is such a nice chap and amazingly knowledgable with it, he has helped me significantly in the past. Im glad he has helped you and that the ablation has worked so well for you! QOL is often underrated by clinicians however lack of QOL can lead to mental health issues, so I would agree with your thoughts on this.

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Kn177yn0ra

That’s encouraging, I am so weary of constant symptoms; I have PAF that is getting worse with at least 1 episode a day. I am waiting for a date for cryoablation.

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7164 in reply toKn177yn0ra

Do it😊😊

My hospital didn’t tell me much about post ablation ie fatigue quick heart beat etc. Get the info and go for it👍

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Kn177yn0ra in reply to7164

Yep, just need that date from Glenfield hospital.

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Lizie-Loo2013

That’s such good news! I’m terrified at the thought of ablation, but fear the time is coming for me to make a decision as my Af is becoming more regular and prolonged.

Nice to hear such positive results - has helped my confidence no end. Thank you 😊

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Slim2018 in reply toLizie-Loo2013

Lizie, I am the biggest coward out but have had a catheter ablation and a catheter cardioversion and trust me they were a piece of cake...medazolin helps amazingly and yes I have spelt it wrong I think

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irene75359

Well hello Peter, you were one who replied to my first post nearly five years ago when I was newly diagnosed. So pleased everything went well for you, Professor Schilling is my EP of choice if I ever went for an ablation after I had a consultation with him in the early days. Long may you stay in rhythm!

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willec49

Congratulations on your years of success and good health! I am so happy to hear that you were helped to return to a wonderful, active life. Also, thank you for posting this here as it is very affirming, and encouraging to those who may be considering or facing an ablation. All the best!

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Singwell

Thanks for sharing Peter. I'm in the waiting list for my ablation now and am assured I'm an excellent candidate. I not your BP is good and this is one area I need to look at to improve chances of omg term benefit. Your story is heartening.

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Beta44 in reply toSingwell

I’m happy to report that I’m still free of Afib, still walking about 5 miles a day and doing my best to dodge COVID. Good luck with your ablation and I know you will approach it as physically fit as possible to give your EP the best possible patient to work his magic on. Regards,

Peter

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Singwell

I'm interested your BP returned to normal - pre AF mine was either on the low side or normal. I didn't know that could happen.

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Beta44 in reply toSingwell

It wasn’t expected. I was not overweight and quite fit before ablation. I can only assume that the stress and anxiety was suddenly removed after and that lowered my BP.

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