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Soap - liquid or solid

CDreamer
CDreamer

My husband and I differ - I hate using solid soap and he liquid and is quite convinces that liquid soap is not soap so believes that only ‘soap’ should be used to wash hands. I find cleaning up the messy residue tedious and believe it is the perfect breeding ground for certain bacteria and possible vehicle for passing on the virus?

Thoughts?

117 Replies
oldestnewest

Agree.

FlapJack
FlapJack
in reply to sotolol

If it’s possible for your dog to have pups, I want one!

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to FlapJack

He is my bestest friend. My granddaughter’s dog but she is at school.!!!!! Poodles are so loving not at all the fluffy Pom Pom people see them as. His parents were amazing. He is my AF and sadness therapy dog. But.... his bits have been removed. Shame as I’ve had many dogs but he is the best. I’d love another I’m smitten. So easy to train too.

FlapJack
FlapJack
in reply to sotolol

Oh well, it was worth a try!......enjoyyyyyyy and stay well.

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to FlapJack

You too keep washing the hands and smiling.

FlapJack
FlapJack
in reply to sotolol

They are red raw and chapped! 😂

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to FlapJack

Hand cream fast. Slap it on.

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to FlapJack

Got to laugh 😷

Bagrat
Bagrat
in reply to FlapJack

Yep mine too!

Plenty in the rescue centres.

I have 2 rescue dogs and 2 rescue cats. But I do like small poodles (black or chocolate) They are as bright as buttons and as mentioned in one of the posts - don't shed hair

irene75359
irene75359
in reply to sotolol

Lovely little dog. I love the way (most) poodles are cut now, so much more attractive than the Pom Pom look that went hand-in-hand with a very sharp muzzle. My pooch is half poodle, half working cocker and I adore her!

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to irene75359

They are so loving and obedient. He knows everything I say. I could eat him.

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to irene75359

They don’t molt either. Just groom it out. Yes the cuts are better. Wish I had a big house I’d have lots.

I prefer liquid soap too!

Just got the alovera antibacterial soap yesterday few ppl recommended it for me!

Sounds nice

Divorce! 😉

CDreamer
CDreamer
in reply to FlapJack

Not a solution - pun intended!

FlapJack
FlapJack
in reply to CDreamer

All the signs suggest that liquid soaps are more hygienic but then I was brought up on green slabs of Fairy Soap and I don’t recall there being too many epidemics either.

Smokie2D
Smokie2D
in reply to FlapJack

If you lather up well the soap breaks down the outer skin of the bugs and the hot water kills em! Or at least that's the plan so any bugs on soap should suffer, mind you a good lather!

CDreamer
CDreamer
in reply to Smokie2D

Sorry - still not convinced.

Smokie2D
Smokie2D
in reply to CDreamer

Ah well it all depends on how old the product is. e.g. Hand sanitizer can go off I understand. Used to use bars of coal tar soap in the cattle barn when I was growing up, with cold water, had a healthy childhood!

CDreamer
CDreamer
in reply to Smokie2D

Coal tar was in our house too - I hated it.

Smokie2D
Smokie2D
in reply to CDreamer

It was the carbolic I didn't like. In the house it was Imperial Leather or Palmolive

Smokie2D
Smokie2D
in reply to Smokie2D

oh and the scrubbing brush to the neck if mum thought we were too dirty! "Sunburn nonsense its just dirt" "Oh it is sunburn, off you go! Do not do it again!"

Same in our home.....

Jalia
Jalia
in reply to Buffafly

...and ours !! Husband would like Lifebuoy soap in shower if I could get it😕

CDreamer
CDreamer
in reply to Jalia

Obviously a man thing.

Buffafly
Buffafly
in reply to CDreamer

Maybe Older Man Thing - OMT 😁

Maggimunro
Maggimunro
in reply to Jalia

My hubby even goes so far as to scorn modern soaps ie Dove bars. “They are not proper soap. I must have Imperial Leather”.

Jalia
Jalia
in reply to Maggimunro

Ha! Yes...they are obviously cut from the same cloth!!

Thought I was married to a "one off"until I read these comments. Actually my OH would like Carbolic soap if I could get it . Sadly not (😃)

Chrisdave
Chrisdave
in reply to Jalia

Or even Wright's Coal Tar, wonderful stuff!

Jalia
Jalia
in reply to Chrisdave

Oh yes! I'm told it is " not as good as it used to be...". Probably due to EU directive prohibiting coal tar so now it's just coal tar fragrance .

Chrisdave
Chrisdave
in reply to Jalia

Yes Jalia, that sounds about right, possibly soon to change though, lol

I agree with you CDreamer, bars of soap are breeding grounds for bacteria and the pump for soap touches no part of the human body.

Mind you, saying that, we were all quite robust in the days when the family all used the same bar of soap. We all used the same flannel and tin of toothpaste too! Sounds quite revolting now doesn't it!

Jalia
Jalia
in reply to jeanjeannie50

Are you referring to Gibbs dentifrice (tin) Jean per chance ?? Quite forgot about thst !

jeanjeannie50
jeanjeannie50
in reply to Jalia

Yes, it was certainly Gibbs, all we children shared a tin. You had to rub your toothbrush on it. Back then you only cleaned your teeth in the morning. If we could get by mum and out of the house without doing that or washing we were pleased! My daughters, when they were young, thought I had a second sense because I knew every childhood trick.

Jalia
Jalia
in reply to jeanjeannie50

Absolutely! I used to put my son in a headlock to get his teeth cleaned in the morning 😁

We’re the same CD, I prefer the liquid, but my husband reckons that solid soap rinses off better and is self-cleansing lol

I hate the way a little pool of jelly forms undeneath hard soap (..shudders)

When given hard soap for Christmas I put it with the sheets in the linen cupboard to make them smell nice then later put it in gargage to use on sticking doors :-)

CDreamer
CDreamer
in reply to doodle68

D’accord!

Chrisdave
Chrisdave
in reply to doodle68

Possibly missing these days are those rack thingy majigs from Betaware that kept it dry

What a hoot! The BBC were giving info re washing hands use a gel/alcohol based wash. The presenter pressed the same gel dispenser top as the exhibitor [did] with her fingers = virus now/possibly on the unit being transfered. Surely it should have been pressed with tissue and the tissue then discarded, derr.

davt
davt
in reply to john6

Just had the pleasure of watching a short skit on tv ...with a guy instructing the kids on how washing their hands should be done...and he had a special torch to shine on their hands to see how they'd done...just kinda gets to us old guys and gals that we could be looking at some new level of qualifications in the future...why, yes...I have an 'O level' in hand washing and I'm back at night school doing a course on 'putting soap where mummy used to when I was younger'....lol

Well at least we all wash our hands after pressing the pump....

Liquid for me! Soap scum in hard London water is yuk.

But I remember my kids doing a comparison for bacteria removal in science lessons at school. The hard soap had a lot of bacterial residue in it and the tests showed their hands were less clean after using it.

And when someone picks that unit up when it's empty!

CDreamer
CDreamer
in reply to john6

And when the soap goes so small it’s unusable? And scummy?

Interesting the gender difference preferences. I wonder if that has something to do with the fact that men don’t ever clean up the scum from surfaces, tiles etc? 🧐

john6
john6
in reply to CDreamer

That's a genderish comment - I'm offended 😂

jeanjeannie50
jeanjeannie50
in reply to john6

😂😂🤣

Snowflake. Lol.

Actually, no, I'm offended that your offended. How dare you be offended etc, etc, etc.......... Lol.

john6
john6
in reply to jeanjeannie50

So sorry that you are "offended " that I'm "offended". That is what happens when you try to keep up with the youngsters😂

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to john6

I’m not offended but offended that men don’t clean the bathroom ever. My son did wipe the shower though😇

john6
john6
in reply to sotolol

That is what confuses men........double speak! You're not offended - but you are offended, how are we supposed to know what you mean😉The Americans spent $Billions sending people to the moon looking for aliens - a very strange decision when we already have them on this planet.......women😨They don't speak the same language, we cannot understand them, their sense of humour is different to ours, so why go to another galaxy looking for MORE trouble😂 - I hope I have not "offended" you or any other ladies on here💓. P.S. I clean the bathroom, just not as efficiently as my wife😉

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to john6

Well said. When you ask a woman a question she says what you want to hear but it’s not always what she means. You men are meant to know that as you won’t get the truth. Men are from Mars women are from Venus. Females can work males out. But men just don’t have knowledge to work us out. Hope I’ve not been offensive to men. !!

john6
john6
in reply to sotolol

Are you sure that my wife and you are not related 😉? Of course you are right "dear"😂

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to john6

We are. So glad you have recognised that. !!! Of course we are related. The superior sex. 🙃

john6
john6
in reply to sotolol

Ok, I know the signs! You'll go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and....... (I'm now sounding like Mrs Doyle (Father Ted)😂.............of course you are right (to my wife) "dear"😂😉

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to john6

Glad you have admitted it. 🙃

Buffafly
Buffafly
in reply to CDreamer

Baths!! I can't clean the bath myself 😕

I prefer soap and liquid soap comes plastic containers so another thing to recycle.

Not always - I use glass dispensers & local shop refills them - several here do that.

Mother Earth certainly does.

Oh that’s good. I haven’t seen that in my area yet although I can refill Ecover washing liquid, washing up liquid and toilet cleaner but not aware of anything else so far.

Things are slowly improving. Mind you I only heard through friends - never seen any advertising for it.

Ah but I go down to my local Zero Waste shop and just fill up the plastic soap dispenser time after time after time, as I do with the body wash containers for the showers.

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to Maggimunro

I’ll go one better. Don’t wash your hands never bath or shower then no plastic to throw away then my carbon footprint will be good but .... 👣 very dirty and smelly job done. Now about AF!!! 😍

Maggimunro
Maggimunro
in reply to sotolol

Nice one

I don’t think we have a Zero waste shop yet where I live. Haven’t seen or heard of it yet if we do. There is a whole food cooperative who do some refills and a local supermarket chain does a limited range of ecover refills.

Same at our home. Im a fan of liquid in shower and handwashing. ( and laundry detergent) Also it doesnt carry the bacteria load that bar soap can.

Hidden
Hidden

I banned my husband from using solid soap in the shower and for hand washing some years ago as the clearing up afterwards due to soap scum is ridiculous. He’s now a convert to shower gel & liquid hand wash.

Solid soap is a germ factory and sucks moisture from your skin - my hands just crack if I use it.

Environmentally? If you buy recyclable refills it reduces the impact.

Pat x

CDreamer
CDreamer
in reply to Hidden

You must tell me your secret, I have failed again. The only time my OH goes out voluntarily to shop - is when he runs out of solid soap and returns with a crate full - so he doesn’t need to go out again for the next 5 years. 😔

FlapJack
FlapJack
in reply to CDreamer

Has anybody noticed.....no comment from BobD, obviously never washes. 😂😅😂

Buffafly
Buffafly
in reply to CDreamer

Every time we go to a craft fair mine comes home with soap.

Hidden
Hidden

Refuse to clean the bathroom until he relents or better still, lock him in there with all the cleaning products and🧽🚿🛁🧴. Throw out the soap as fast as he buys it🤣x

Chrisdave
Chrisdave
in reply to Hidden

Oh, fighting talk

i think soap is messy! But the liquid squirter sometimes you get the aim wrong! It squirts on your sleeve! Grin!

Solid soap washing by sink , shower gel , solid soap if in bath

I always use the liquid soap for hand washing, but my hubby always uses the solid bar of soap.I too wonder if it is a gender thing🤣He also has a habit of leaving the soap in the bottom of the sink after he has used it, which I find most annoying .Even after 41 years of trying to train him otherwise 🤣.

Same here. Wife likes solid soap and I like liquid so we have both. Wife assures me that solid is best and cheaper! So can't understand why I, as a born and bred Yorkshire man won't use the solid soap. LOL. So long as you wash your hands thoroughly it shouldn't matter.

I like it, whatever rocks your boat

See the following from the New York Times:

google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nyti...

CDreamer
CDreamer
in reply to Samazeuilh

The article refers to a study done in 1965? It also refers to bacteria - not viruses.

Whilst it may be true I don’t think it will alter my preference for liquid soap which I find more convenient and much less messy.

Hiya, I used to sell foam / liquid soap as a rep years ago and we always used a piece of solid soap in our presentation showing and explaining the little black lines that appear in a bar of soap was bacteria and not at all advisable to use. I am going back nearly thirty years long before any of these viruses . In public try and press a pump down with your sleeve and use tissues when opening toilet doors, normal healthy tips when out and about . X

"Experts" (in the paper) always seem to disagree about this but they all seem to agree that using anything that is antibacterial can encourage resistance. Otherwise, action-wise soap is soap whether it's liquid or solid. It does discourage bacteria and viruses, but doesn't kill them outright, the important thing (it says here) is to wash thoroughly and rinse well. If he leaves his soap in a mess, why not ask him kindly but firmly to clean the sink :-) I am a hard soap user, my mysband likes liquid soap but we both clean the sink down though I admit I am the one who takes a scrubber pad to it now and then, but that is for the limescale. Soap residue is messy but shouldn't form if the soap bowl is kept clean and dry, and at least there are no plastic bottles ... so I think it's 50/50! BTW I used Imperial Leather for decades but then a few years ago they changed the forumula and it started dissolving much faster and yes leaving messy residue behind, as well as not lasting well. Apparently in some parts of the world they use it for laundry soap and like it to foam, but it was no longer so nice for personal use so I switched (to whatever was good value and a nice colour at the time).

You can get a dish for bars of soap where it does not get messy.

Put it in airing cupboard if you have one to dry out a bit - not encouraging you though 😒

is there some connection to soap preferences and a-fib that i have missed lol

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to Tomred

😂

I use a bar of soap. Not keen on liquid.

Whilst I have always been one to wash my hands, I cannot help but feel that it is all an exercise of "Being seen to be doing something". If you think of all of the things that you automatically grab onto when you are out, it is pretty much a futile bit of info that is given out by some government bod who probably has interests in a soap factory. The one thing that has always been known to transfer germs is paper money, then you have door handles on shops, transport etc.

I was out last night meeting up with friends in a bar! Straightaway you are in an environment of loads of strange people (all breathing)😨, you order a drink and the glass is passed to you by a staff member who has handled 100s of glasses clean and used! You go back to your table and pull a chair out that has also been used possibly dozens of times that day, going to the toilets upstairs you automatically grab the handrail going up and down. The going down bit is still done (because it is habitual) even though one has just witnessed people still not washing their hands after going to the toilet. Going home I open the taxi door that has been used a dozen times by god knows what people in what state, the same getting out.........we are all doomed, all doomed I tell you😂

jeanjeannie50
jeanjeannie50
in reply to john6

Yep, sounds like that's your lot then and you've had it!!Been nice knowing you. 😉

john6
john6
in reply to jeanjeannie50

It's only the good that die young - I'm good for 150😂. Hopefully not going anywhere spiritual and will keep on trying to hang on in there - what will be will be😉

CDreamer
CDreamer
in reply to john6

😄😂😂 Spot on - but the government ain’t worried as they’ve made loads of money from the soap factory and the tax on the alcohol and from the overworked bar tenderer AND far fewer old crocks to look after! Maybe it’s conspiracy? JOKE!!!

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to CDreamer

I think they may put something in the flu jab this year kill us off we are costing the government too much. With no TV license we won’t know when it’s on the news. Only if we look at our apps.

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to john6

We are all doomed. 🥺😱😷

I prefer solid soap. Apart from the advice for hand washing as a means of not catching the virus it is counterproductive to be worrying about removing bacteria from our skins in general. Our skin has a microbiome just as does our gut. Removing it with ever more efficient soaps ( in particular antimicrobial ones) is actually unhealthy. We have lived in symbiosis with trillions of bacteria for millenia. "You need to eat a peck of dirt before you die" is an old saying . I deliberately eat nuts after coming in from the garden without washing my hands ( even with gardeniing gloves my hands still get grubby) as spore bacteria in soil reinforce the microbiome. Most of us have had multiple assaults on our gut microbiome from antibiotics taken since early childhood. Modern notions of cleanliness encourage damage to our skin microbiome too. Most liquid soaps are full of chemicals and to me smell horrible ( I do have chemical sensitivity that comes and goes as a result of being floxed- I can't stand being close to women who wear perfume and even find the smell of some washing up liquids overpowering). Nobody has suggested the use of povidone iodine for hand sanitising in this coronavirus epidemic. This is probably the best way. Before my colectomy op I was given a bottle of stuff with this in and had to wash my hair and entire body with it. There are lots of scientific articles online about it's efficacy in killing bacteria and viruses.

Not surprised a cake of soap harbours bacteria; when I went to church as a child, the soap in the loo was covered in black lines. I used to try and wash the soap before I washed my hands with it.

This might seem like "too much information", but solid soap IS liquid soap at the point of application...eg I rub solid soap on my pubes to liquefy /foam it, and at that point it's the same as shampoo or liquid soap... I feel sorry for these models that are pubeless coz they have don't even have under-arm fuzz to use for that purpose. I am told that German ladies don't have these problems and have instant access to foaming tools.....

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to allserene

Lol

F

Khatpi
Khatpi
in reply to Khatpi

For Lifebuoy soap, try Amazon or The Vermont Country Store.com. , has a lot of retro products from " soup to nuts " . I think I saw it in the catalogue. Not absolute but worth a look. Camay is hard to find too but sometimes I see it at the $0.99 store. Good luck.

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to Khatpi

Remember the tv add. Life boy is good for you. ....

We use both ... depending on which bathroom we are in ... we have five bathrooms ... l like dial antibacterial bar soap on my sink and bathtub ... we use antibacterial pump soap in two of the guest bathrooms ... my husband uses both on his sink and his shower ... l rarely visit the bathrooms in two of our guest rooms. So, we essentially use both but our preference would be a bar of soap for body cleaning and pump soap for hands. It’s all very confusing. I do now wear black medical gloves when going out ... l try to color coordinate ... l tend to wear black 90% of the time so the gloves look really cute and l actually get compliments on them!

Love this post "Soap and Poodles" do these provoke Afib too or am I off subject 😂

CDreamer
CDreamer
in reply to Lilypocket

Laughter is always the best medicine.

Lilypocket
Lilypocket
in reply to CDreamer

It surely is my friend! 🐩😀

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to Lilypocket

Poodles calm AF.

Lilypocket
Lilypocket
in reply to sotolol

Yes 🐩 😀but caring for animals generally is marvellous!

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to Lilypocket

Good for health. And you walk lots. Unless we reach lockdown. 🐩 ♥️

Lilypocket
Lilypocket
in reply to sotolol

I'll just walk around the garden 😀 yes it is such good exercise and! I have a steep hill behind the house which keeps my heart and lungs busy lol! X

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to Lilypocket

Yes. But tomorrow it’s walkies. A hill is good get the heart pumping. But not too much. Keep it in NSR. 👍🏻

A surfactant, whether solid or liquid, changes the surface tension of water so that it more readily wets what needs to be cleaned. No matter which type of soap you choose, especially when washing your hands, it is more important to be thorough and rinse well.

I’m sure it is, the rinsing is more important I get that - but it was a bit of fun and hopefully lightened people’s day/week-end and that’s also really good for AF!

Soap is anti bacterial. I prefer solid bar. I feel liquid soap is just chemicals and very drying. I make soap. I have created a bar with oat and goats milk. It is not drying. I have a bowl filled with medium sized stones on my sink. The soap bar just touches some points on the stones so it dries without any scum..

Oddly enough ... l read yesterday that solid soap will clean your hands better than liquid soap and that bacteria collects around the opening and inside of the mechanism?

sotolol
sotolol
in reply to Janith

Never Gona look at a bar of soap the same now.

Nothing like a slab of coal tar soap for this boy, CD!

I'm afraid I am with your husband. Couldn't you two compromise - let him use his solid stuff, then send him away for retraining on the cleaning up process :-)

John

Since the last few days I've been talking to someone who understands the chemistry and he's clarified one or two things.

Any kind of soap will kill most bacteria and viruses. It cracks their structures. Rather like it dries out your hands or faces if you don't rinse well.

Soap doesn't harbour any usual bacteria (or viruses). If you leave sludge around it might - the same goes for the inside of liquid soap pump nozzles.

Soap kills bacteria and viruses just as well as hand sanitizer. (I didn't know that.) It's just you can use hand sanitizer in places where soap and water aren't available.

Any time you are using soap, rinse well. If yo don't you will get chapped hands. Same does for washing up liquid, another form of detergent. Anything that damages germs will also damage your skin, so rinse your hands well after washing. (My hands have survived decades of washing up like that.)

And rinse your bar of soap/squeezy bottle/taps etc so that you don't leave residue.

Soap with a lot of hand cream included (no names, but some are well known) doesn't clean well as the cream protects the germs as well as your skin.

You can use alcohol (not alcoholic drinks, not strong enough) but if you do, use hand cream afterwards or it will dry your skin out badly and cause chapping. (This is why proprietary hand cleaners are best. They include a bit of measured skin protector.)

Nice article in the Guardian covering some of this at

theguardian.com/commentisfr...

All very simple yet rather complicated! None of this works internally! If it kills a virus, it will also harm you --- this apparently is why anti-viral medicines are so difficult.

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