Afib back 7 months after Ablation

[Slattery]

I had an Ablation 7 months ago a was feeling wonderful until a few days ago when I was in Afib for 3 hours using my Kardia , my rate went from 146-165. I am so disappointed! I have an appointment to see my doctor in 3 weeks. Has anyone had this experience? Does this mean the Ablation failed?

[Dawsonmackay]

How about today or yesterday. Have you had periods of NSR?

[Slattery in reply to Dawsonmackay]

I had a second Afib episode yesterday for 3 hours that stop on it own.

[Dawsonmackay in reply to Slattery]

Are you taking magnesium? It helped me after an ablation and I went into Afib for about three weeks

[Slattery in reply to Dawsonmackay]

I am not taking magnesium daily, I will start taking daily, how many mg and what type of magnesium are you taking?

[Dawsonmackay in reply to Slattery]

Lots of people here swear that magnesium taurate is the best. I take a chelated magnesium bisglycinate made by Blue Bonnett in 200mg capsules. Somewhere on this site, magnesium is talked about. Some take 200mg twice daily, others 400mg, others 800 mg daily. The English doctor, Gupta is a big proponent of magnesium supplementation. He has several youtube videos. I think 200mg twice daily is fine. Ask Bob too. Anyone else want to chime in??

[Padayn01 in reply to Dawsonmackay]

I take one magnesium glycinate daily as I hear it’s better for the stomach

[Cookie24 in reply to Padayn01]

glycinate up to 800 mg

[jennydog in reply to Slattery]

Have a look at magnesium citrate.

[Slattery in reply to jennydog]

Thank you all for this information.

[BC50]

Same. First ablation EP said ideal, taken off multaq. Returned about 9 months later 160 HR. Second ablation almost a year with no Afib (I have implanted loop recorder and showed no bouts) but still on multaq. Have appointment in March hope to get off med.

[Hidden]

Afib keeps coming back for most folks. Here's why, and how to stop it, or at least make it less severe and happen less often:

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After 9 years of trying different foods and logging EVERYTHING I ate, I found sugar (and to a lesser degree, salt – i.e. dehydration) was triggering my Afib. Doctors don't want to hear this - there is no money in telling patients to eat less sugar. Each person has a different sugar threshold - and it changes as you get older, so you need to count every gram of sugar you eat every day (including natural sugars in fruits, etc.). My tolerance level was 190 grams of sugar per day 8 years ago, 85 grams a year and a half ago, and 60 grams today, so AFIB episodes are more frequent and last longer (this is why all doctors agree that afib gets worse as you get older). If you keep your intake of sugar below your threshold level your AFIB will not happen again (easier said than done of course). It's not the food - it's the sugar (or salt - see below) IN the food that's causing your problems. Try it and you will see - should only take you 1 or 2 months of trial-and-error to find your threshold level. And for the record - ALL sugars are treated the same (honey, refined, agave, natural sugars in fruits, etc.). I successfully triggered AFIB by eating a bunch of plums and peaches one day just to test it out. In addition, I have noticed that moderate (afternoon) exercise (7-mile bike ride or 5-mile hike in the park) often puts my Afib heart back in to normal rhythm a couple hours later. Don’t know why – perhaps you burn off the excess sugars in your blood/muscles or sweat out excess salt?? I also found that strenuous exercise does no good – perhaps you make yourself dehydrated??

I'm pretty sure that Afib is caused by a gland(s) - like the Pancreas, Thyroid (sends signals to the heart to increase speed or strength of beat), Adrenal Gland (sends signals to increase heart rate), Sympathetic Nerve (increases heart rate) or Vagus Nerve (decreases heart rate), Hypothalamus Gland or others - or an organ that, in our old age, is not working well anymore and excess sugar or dehydration is causing them to send mixed signals to the heart - for example telling the heart to beat fast and slow at the same time - which causes it to skip beats, etc. I can't prove that (and neither can my doctors), but I have a very strong suspicion that that is the root cause of our Afib problems. I am working on this with a Nutritionist and hope to get some definitive proof in a few months.

Also, in addition to sugar, if you are dehydrated - this will trigger AFIB as well. It seems (but I have no proof of this) that a little uptick of salt in your blood is being treated the same as an uptick of sugar - both cause AFIB episodes. (I’m not a doctor – it may be the sugar in your muscles/organs and not in your blood, don’t know). In any case you have to keep hydrated, and not eat too much salt. The root problem is that our bodies are not processing sugar/salt properly and no doctor knows why, but the AFIB seems to be a symptom of this and not the primary problem, but medicine is not advanced enough to know the core reason that causes AFIB at this time. You can have a healthy heart and still have Afib – something inside us is triggering it when we eat too much sugar or get (even a little) dehydrated. Find out the core reason for this and you will be a millionaire and make the cover of Time Magazine! Good luck! - Rick Hyer

PS – there is a study backing up this data you can view at:

https//cardiab.biomedcentral.com/a...

Here is some more info that might help you:

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I have always thought we all have a similar problem happening within our bodies that is causing our afib problems. After 17 years of watching my afib come and go, and logging everything I eat, I am pretty sure our hearts are fine but we have a problem with a gland(s) or an organ(s). For example:

1). The Sympathetic Nerve INCREASES the heart rate.

2). The Vagus Nerve DECREASES the heart rate.

3). The Adrenal Gland INCREASES the heart rate (with adrenaline), heightens

anxiety.

4). The Thyroid Gland both DECREASES and INCREASES the heart rate, and

heart strength.

5). The Hypothalamus Gland produces hormones directing other glands to do

stuff.

6). The Pancreas processes sugar, which cause other glands to do different

things.

7). To further complicate the situation, when one gland stops working, sometimes another gland will try to pick up the slack.

Plus - there are lots more glands in the body, plus don't forget the organs, which (some) also influence the heart rate, for example:

Medulla in Brain: Heart rate can be increased or decreased by impulses brought to

the SAN or AVN by nerves originating in the medulla oblongata of the brain.

The endocrine system of gland processing is complex – it’s a wonder it works at all.

For a neat picture/information on all the glands, check out this URL: (Ctrl and click):

images.search.yahoo.com/sea...

Medications, chemicals, foods etc. can all cause our glands and organs to mis-fire. For me, sugar (and dehydration) are causing some gland(s) or organ(s) in my body to mis-fire, sending mixed signals to the heart - for example, telling the heart to beat fast and slow at the same time. This would explain why a healthy heart sometimes beats abnormally. It also explains why my heart afibs when I eat too much sugar, because the heart does NOT use sugar to contract (uses fatty acids) so obviously sugar/dehydration is causing something to misfire which in turn is directing the heart to afib. In our old age, I suspect a gland or organ is not working as it used to, causing afib or other heart palpitations. Unfortunately doctors and researchers don't know what it is (yet). In the meantime we will have to listen to our bodies VERY closely to see what is causing our problems and reduce or eliminate our afib by reducing what triggers it. Hope this helps.

- Rick Hyer. -- SugarIsIt!!

[zepstein in reply to Hidden]

Thank you!. A voice of sanity. After two open heart surgeries, ablations, hospitalizations, etc. I can say that, in regards to my arrhythmia problems, dehydration is by far the most problematic followed by salt and sugar. It requires pretty constant attention, particularly in warmer weathers.

[cpalmermn]

How frequent was your Afib before the ablation?

[Slattery]

Two Afib episodes lasting 24 hours on a monthly basis.

[Magnolia1950]

My Af kept coming back after 2 ablations and 2 cardioversion. After 4 years I finally opted for AV node ablation and pacemaker - I’m good now !