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Hi there CDreamer, Jean, Finvola, Buffafly and others,

An update for you on my consultation with a local Nutritionist on diet/food and the behaviour of my gut/heart in recent months. Basically, we are coming back to he original Nutritionists feelings about IBS and Leaky Gut. While my symptoms are not precise enough to tick either boxes with any certainty, and I have refused to have any more tests, it is felt I am marginal in both cases.

Accordingly she has advised me to take a 3 pronged approach, increase my water intake, take a course of Probiotics, Digestive Enzymes and continue with CoQ10, and finally modify (yet again) my food plan. The first step here was to definately, specifically, absolutely and

deliberately eliminate gluten.

The water intake was an interesting one. She felt that I have an element of dehydration. We

discussed this at length as I didn’t feel I was. However, looking at the symptoms of dehydration I am now willing to concede she has a point. In this context she discussed my occupation, bus driving and vehicle vibration. It seems that vibration can be a contributing factor to dehydration, whether flying or on the ground. Now with flying, particularly long haul (like 15 hours and longer) I had always accepted the mantra that it was recycled air in the cabin generated the need to keep your non alcoholic fluids up in flight. It is, but in more recent years there has been a school of thought that vibration ( and the frequencies associated with vibration) is also a contributing factor to inflight dehydration. This also applies to ground transport, bus, coach, train and car. (25 years of bus driving, hmmmmm !) Shedloads of flights between Heathrow and Sydney. Of course I wonder if any studies have been done on flight crew ( cabin crew and pilots) in this regard.

Nevertheless, I do alot of driving, both private car and bus and because of this the matter of

vibration and dehydration is of growing interest and looking at some of the dehydration symptoms I have to admit she seems to have a point. Anyhow, I have deliberately increased my intake of water and I have to say ( forgive me peeps) but I have noticed the colour of my pee has changed from a yellowy/orange to an almost clear color.

Now this creates problems when I am at work bus driving but I have managed to come up with a quantity that is comfortable for me and enables me to get between breaks in driving OK. Trips up to Surrey and Brum in my car, not a problem .... plenty of hedge rows :-)

So far, so good. My chest and abdomen area are feeling nice n’ light. No feelings of my heart trying to break out of alcatraz and my HR bouncing about like a damn yo-yo, as has been happening often this year. BP and HR nice’n regular. Lets hope all this stays back on track. Anyway, hope this is of interest to you.

John

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Kaz747

Interesting about the long haul flights John. Living in the most isolated capital city in the world most of my flights are long haul 😃 I always drink plenty of water 💦

in reply toKaz747

Glad to read you are getting your life back Kaz and I do hope it continues. You do live in a great State and a great city 😀

Must say I had never considered water in the context this Nutritionist discussed with me.

John

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Kaz747 in reply to

Maybe because we live in such a warm environment we have a lot of public health messages about water intake. I always drink 2-3 litres a day and probably more when it’s super hot 😎🌞☀️

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jeanjeannie50

All very interesting John, especially about vibration causing dehydration. Your post immediately made me go and drink a glass of water.

I've just gone strictly wheat/gluten free (had lapsed to doing it a bit half hearted). Re CQ10, I hate taking any tablet supplements because of the added bulking agents . Must see if I can get it in a pure or liquid form.

Have just taken a course of probiotics, but guess I need to do it longer than a month really.

Thank you for sharing.

Jean

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Finvola

Very interesting post carneuny - I never would have connected vibration with dehydration. Pardon me for being personal but pale pee is what we aim for, so to speak so that is healthier too.

I hope the new regime continues to work well.

in reply toFinvola

Thanks Finvola. Yep I am learning as I go and am hoping everything progresses well. I think it's gonna be a couple of months before I feel anything, mind you, a couple of months without gut problems will be really great.😊

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F-M-C-MM

Hi Carneuny,

Thanks for raising a very interesting topic 're the vibration caused by a vehicle in motion, and you made a reference to "frequencies". I couldnt but associate it with the electrical problem that is Atrial Fbrillation. It would be interesting to know if any members of this community suffer an AFib episode once seated in a car that is in motion. I am now free of AFib but dreaded the prospect of long journeys for fear of the onset of an episode. The type of road surface also mattered and once an episode started I could feel every lump and bump underneath the wheels which left me breathless. I had to stop the car frequently and go for a walkabout to get relief. It was a definite trigger always in my case. It would be interesting to hear from others who have experienced the same situation.

in reply toF-M-C-MM

Hi there,

Perhaps I need to put a perspective on this .... I have been diagnosed with paroxysmal AF back in Jan 2010. By Sept 2011 I had not only identified the onset of an AF event with food but I'd consulted a Nutritionist in Surrey (where I lived at the time) to determine a diet/food plan I could adopt to ease the AF. I was successful and from April 2015 to date I had only one AF event which occurred in Feb 2018 from sleeping on my left side.

Since Jan/Feb this year I have noticed the food/heart relationship worsen culminating in early June when I drove from Hayle in Cornwall to friends in Twickenham, some 270 plus miles.

I began to feel unwell after the drive and had a 'bad' night. The following morning my heart was banging away like it was trying to break out of my chest AND my HR jumped around from 46 to 113 bpm and all sorts of values in between. I felt totally crap and just stayed in bed, being good for nothing.

Drove back to Cornwall with no consequences.

I blamed food I'd eaten the night before we travelled. Specifically a sauce with the meal. But now, I've had this latest consultation with a local Nutritionist who raised this relationship between vibration/frequencies and dehydration. The line she and I are taking at the moment is to address dehydration. So then one says, well how do I know I'm dehydrated. I feel fine I'm good, no problems. How do you measure the extent of dehydration in the body - dunno I'm still working on all this at the moment.

After nearly 10 years on this forum (including its Yahoo predecessor) it seems that AF = loss of quality of life. To solve this loss of QOL comes the ablation procedure. But then AF is not cured, as such.

I use the diet/food plan approach but that seems only valid for AF which arises from a dysfunctional vagal nerve.

Then you have someone like my daughter who around the age of 29 to 32 had two pregnancies which put her into AF with each pregnancy. Once she stopped breeding no more AF and she now practices Thai Kick boxing.

So back to dehydration, it is claimed that the adult human body is up to 60% water. The brain and heart are composed of some 73% water. So, if the human body needs to be 60% of water to function efficiently then when we are dehydrated and that percentage is less then we have a problem, the body isn't functioning properly.

So lets go back to frequencies. Before AF hit me I'd had about 2 and half years of increasingly dramatic palpitations. During this time I carried my mobile phone in my left side shirt pocket, roughly over the heart ! There has been probably as much scientific work done on the impact of frequencies (electromagnetic sensitivity) from mobile phones on the body as there has been with frequencies and dehydration.

I think the whole problem with AF is, that in varying degrees, it is all things to all people. Its pure mongrel. It has a mind of its own. Its a hydra headed monster - and it will be very hard to cure in the short run. In many ways it is a high tech medical condition for a high tech society. Very unlikely to be cured.

Anyway, if nothing else this epistle will probably keep you amused.

John

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F-M-C-MM in reply to

Hi John,

Enjoyed that very insightful "epistle"!

You have fought the good fight to try to stave is off the curse that is AFib. Interesting aside about your daughter, perhaps it is genetic, and she may have to be wary of its possible return at menapause, which is when it started to kick off for me. My father also had It, so I decided to take the ablation route having gleaned from the various comments on this site that it difficult to cure! I too had the paroxysmal form, and was advised to try ablation before it became more persistent and eventually permanent. Did you ever consider ablation instead of medication or are you able to keep it at bay most of the time with diet etc?

in reply toF-M-C-MM

Sorry about rambling on. Didn't mean to.

Right at the beginning my Cardiologist and I discussed the way ahead which touched on ablation. I totally rejected the idea. Why ?, dunno, listened to the little voice inside I guess.

The way things have worked out I'm glad. For me the diet/ food/ nutrition process has worked for nearly 10 years. That said, this year has seen some evidence of the digestive system malfunctioning again but I have decided to treat that, and not worry too much about the heart. So am back working with a Nutritionist again.

John

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F-M-C-MM in reply to

Its great that diet has been so successful for you. Do you take any medication for the AFib also Carneuny.

in reply toF-M-C-MM

Hi,

Yep, I sure do.

I was originally prescribed Warfarin and Bisoprolol. I still 'enjoy' both.

In addition, I also take Simvastatin, Ramipril and Felodopine - these being prescribed about 2 & half years prior to AF hitting me.

I would also say my Nutritionist has me on a variety of digestive enzymes to help my digestive system work properly and thus calm the Vagal Nerve which keeps my heart calm.

John

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Jalia in reply toF-M-C-MM

I have gone into AF on a cruise ship due I am sure from the clearly felt vibrations from the ship's engines when trying to sleep

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F-M-C-MM in reply toJalia

Hi Jalia,

That is an interesting observation 're the ship's engines. I should also add that on attending a concert in an auditorium I was unfortunately near the stage and the sound waves from the amplification system was another trigger.

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Jalia in reply toF-M-C-MM

Absolutely...same here !

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Rosemaryb1349

I always found going for a drive when having one of the really nastier afib episodes when my heart was wobbling and bouncing about all over the place was a great calming comfort. It seemed to sooth it in some way at least while I was driving anyway! It never actually converted it back to NSR but it did make me feel a lot better.

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WendyWu20

Now I'm wondering what the exact process is, whereby vibration causes dehydration. I can't see the cause and effect link at the moment....hoping someone can enlighten me...thanks :o)

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Dodie117

Interesting post and thank you.

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