Healthy Eating May Keep 'Low Grade' Prostate Cancers in Check.

[petrig]

Eat healthy. Avoid sugar ,fat,red meat..

Eat vegetables,fiber,omega3,fish,fruits,fermented foods,whole grain....

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[Tall_Allen]

Nonsense. Watch "Apple Cider Vinegar" on Netflix.

[petrig in reply to Tall_Allen]

Here in Finland and nordic countries healthy diet and exercise is part of cancer treatments. For example chemo therapy works better when healthy diet and exercise. I dont understand why you call it nonsense.Of course healthy diet affects your body and your immune system. Diet can boost your treatments .

[Tall_Allen in reply to petrig]

There is no supportable evidence that diet "keeps low grade cancers in check," which is the claim you made.

Your post was not about exercise. It was also not about changing diet to mitigate the side effects of treatments.

This is an analysis of the available evidence on the effect of diet on prostate cancer progression:

prostatecancer.news/2024/05...

[petrig in reply to Tall_Allen]

I dont buy that about red meat.Red meat is high in heme iron, which may contribute to the formation of oxygen radicals that cause cell damage and thus increase the risk of cancer. Sodium nitrite is used as a preservative in meat products, which can increase the formation of N-nitroso compounds in the body that promote cancer . About a third of the nitrite is converted into harmful nitrosamines.For example in according to the new Nordic dietary guidelines, red meat and meat products should be consumed no more than 350 grams per week, which means a maximum daily intake of 50 grams. Of this, the proportion of processed meat products should be as small as possible.

[Tall_Allen in reply to petrig]

Reactive oxygen species (ROS) is how one's body destroys cancer. That's why supplementing with antioxidants causes cancer, as proven by the SELECT trial. Only clinical evidence establishes medical science proof, not your (or anyone's) faulty reasoning.

[Slick714 in reply to Tall_Allen]

Hello Allen! I am taking supplements such as resveratrol and a multi vitamin/mineral supplement that has antioxidants. I have taken these for many years. I’m starting radiation treatments soon. The pamphlet given me with advice says during treatment not to take more than 200% recommended intake of vitamin A, C, E, CoQ10 and selenium. Along with your statement I think I’ll just stop taking antioxidants altogether even after RT. The nurse that handed me the care instructions for treatment said antioxidants in higher concentrations can help the cancer cells survive during RT. I appreciate your knowledge, and any advice you might give.

[Tall_Allen in reply to Slick714]

I agree with you that antioxidants may interfere somewhat with radiation, with immune killing of cancer cells, and with natural destruction of aberrant cells (apoptosis). One is better off getting all micronutrients from the foods we eat and letting our bodies regulate what it needs and excrete the rest -- our bodies "know" better than we do.

[Slick714 in reply to Tall_Allen]

Appreciate your input sir! You are a great help!

[Doctorsceptic in reply to Tall_Allen]

A minor point. Apoptosis is strictly speaking programmed cell death rather than cytotoxicity or cell necrosis. Both are induced by radiotherapy but apoptosis at lower levels of radiation.

[petrig in reply to Tall_Allen]

This cohort study was conducted in accordance with the Belmont Report and the US Common Rule under local institutional review board approval. All participants provided written informed consent. This study followed the Strengthening the Reporting of Observational Studies in Epidemiology (STROBE) reporting guideline for cohort studies. We used data from the Cancer of the Prostate Strategic Urologic Research Endeavor (CaPSURE), a longitudinal observational study of 15 310 men with biopsy-proven prostate cancer:jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...

[Tall_Allen in reply to petrig]

That is a Level 3 study (one of many), and is useless for patients

Unless you make an effort to understand "levels of evidence" and GRADE you will continue to be stuck on "Mt. Stupid."

prostatecancer.news/2024/12...

[Doctorsceptic in reply to Tall_Allen]

That is a pretty good summary of the dietary evidence - and the lack of any sound evidence that diet change affects PCa. Food is one of life’s pleasures - enjoy it!

The one comment worth highlighting is the effect of androgen deprivation and receptor inhibition on health - specifically the increased risk of metabolic syndrome and the associated cardiovascular risk. There is no point in simply exchanging one risk for another. So guys when looking at studies of drug interventions on PCa always look at all cause mortality not just deaths from PCa. And look at the outcomes when stratified by age. The older you are the less likely there is to be a positive effect on your longevity (for obvious reasons).

If you are on ADT/ARIs, pay attention to weight, lipids and HbA1c so you don’t substitute vascular death/disability for PCa related death/disability!

The main trial on enzalutamide is a case in point - stratification of outcome by age shows diminishing returns in terms of survival.

Carpe diem - we all die in the end - so enjoy it while you’ve got it!

[petrig]

" may keep..". "..the less likely his low-grade prostate cancer will progress.."The point was healthy diet may effect prostate cancer.

There are no claims that it will cure your cancer and there are no claims that you are not suppose to take cancer drugs.

[Tall_Allen in reply to petrig]

As I said, your diet advice has no basis in science. Claims unsubstantiated by medical science may be hazardous to the health of patients.

[j-o-h-n]

Healthy Eating May Keep 'Low Grade' Prostate Cancers in Check.

THE KEY WORD IN THE SENTENCE ABOVE IS "MAY"....

IT'S LIKE WHEN MOST OF US SAY "ONE DAY I MAY GET AN ERECTION".

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n

[gsun]

In general, a good diet is healthier than a bad one. Nuff said.,

[Tommyj2 in reply to gsun]

Uh…yeah….but you might as well say good sleep is better than poor sleep…..question is whether the additional time and expense of a “good” diet is worth the effort……for me it’s not worth an extra 70 dollars a week to eat like some folks are recommending….

[gsun in reply to Tommyj2]

Fill up on Kraft Dinner….

[Tommyj2 in reply to gsun]

Eating cheap doesn’t have to mean eating poorly ……I love Kraft dinners but they are,unfortunately, so riddled with sodium and food additives that they are a health risk……still I’ll have a Mac and cheese every now and again……beans and rice are my healthier staples, good fiber and protein cheap and filling…..

[fast_eddie in reply to Tommyj2]

A healthy diet isn't easy or appealing and isn't achievable when my wife isn't into it and does the food shopping. I have a weight 'red-line'. When I get near it, I pull back on the snacking. That is my concession to a 'healthy diet'. I may regret this lack of discipline some day.

[PTvsPC]

Tall makes some good points in his article about studies and diets, but I wouldn’t call the idea that diet affects health ‘nonsense.’ While I agree that diet and prostate cancer outcomes are hard to prove definitively, my own experience has shown clear health benefits, and medical institutions at least recognize the potential role of diet in managing disease.

I chose to change my diet to 100% plant-based and add high intensity exercise when I was diagnosed. Has it changed my cancer diagnosis? I'll never know because I can't be my own control. What I will say is that I'm the healthiest I've been possibly in my entire life. My doctor told me that my inflammation levels are super low since my diet change.

Btw, I was not overweight before I made these changes - I'm within 10 pounds of my "meat-eating" weight. In those days, I had lots of joint problems, especially in my knees and hands... not caused by being overweight, but diagnosed as early onset general osteoarthritis. All of that has disappeared. You can say it's anecdotal, and I suppose it is, but less inflammation in the body means less inflammation in the joints and less pain. My doctor told me as much.

So, while I’ll never know if my diet change affected my cancer, I do know it has dramatically improved my overall health. That’s not nonsense—it’s something anyone looking to improve their well-being might want to consider.

My sister, a retired social worker at UT Southwestern’s bone marrow transplant center, saw firsthand how diet was addressed with their patients. Their dietary pamphlet strongly encouraged reducing or eliminating animal products. While they didn’t mandate it, their wording—‘limit’ and ‘remove’—suggests they saw potential benefits.

Diet is a very personal choice, especially when it comes to a person's well-being after being diagnosed as we have been. For some, being diagnosed and not being able to enjoy their favorite animal-based foods is being kicked when you're down. For others, like me, it presented an opportunity to improve my overall health with a possible benefit of affecting the cancer. I will probably never know if my choice changed the cancer outcome for me or not, but I know I'm much healthier overall because of it.

[London441]

This is an Advanced Prostate Cancer forum. We don’t have any low grade cancers to keep in check. So for personal relevance I not only am I asked to buy into a level 3 study, I then have to extrapolate it to advanced Pca.

Even if I do that, I’m placing a lot of my eggs (or some healthier choice if I believe eggs promote cancer growth, which I don’t) into the nutrition/supplement basket.

Additionally, as often happens, exercise gets tagged on to the argument. ‘Diet and exercise’, as if inexorably linked. The implication being not that they’re both important (no doubt) but that they are equally so. They are not.

Exercise has much greater value fighting this disease than diet, but too many studies can’t reflect that with much accuracy since those who exercise regularly also tend to have healthier diets.

I am of the opinion that healthful diet is a simple job and need not be heavily restrictive nor expensive. Eating less food when aging is a far better goal than the food itself, especially in the western world.

Longevity for its own sake is grossly overrated. Our hospitals and nursing homes are filled with people whose quality of life has departed. Is a teaspoon of sugar and some dairy in my coffee, or an occasional steak, or a good pastry worth the examining? What am I saving myself for?

Eating purportedly unhealthy foods in moderation is called enjoying life.

[Doctorsceptic in reply to London441]

Thoroughly agree! The pursuit of longevity at the expense of quality is over rated especially as one gets older.

Carpe diem - life is full of risks so you just have to choose. Either a decent steak and chips and glass of wine today versus snake oil promises of eternal life on a monks diet. (The monk got hit by a bus the day after he started fasting). The life time risk of death is 100% and always has been. 😎

[chefjlu]

As TA points out, studies have many levels and variables reflecting their meaning. Yes, diet plays an essential role in health, but it starts early in life to some extent. You can make adjustments and improve your immune system, improve your reaction to illness & treatment, and improve your overall health. However, it is difficult to attach it being the only causal. The same as exercise. It's beneficial, but is it the only think giving benefit? Can't be said. ---- To that end, I adapted a Blue Zones Lifestyle and my doctors have said they believe it has helped with my dealing with PC and side effects. Adjustments can certainly help, but they in themselves are not magic bullets. There are too many variables within a lifestyle to compare 1 person to another.

[GardenReno]

I changed my diet to no dairy, sugar, meat or alcohol (I eat fish) when diagnosed with advanced stage 4 cancer. No cure however my gut and overall health had improved significantly ( other than the cancer…). I was a runner before diagnosis and after chemo I restarted jogging. Nearly 4 years in have kept stable body weight even on ADT with minimal stomach fat. So for me it’s well worth the effort as have kept full mobility and general health which helps with ongoing treatments.

[MrG68]

Yeah, you may wish to adhere to the ancient old rules of the seafood diet. See food and eat it.

😀

[pd63]

Couldn't do the regime, rather die happy than miserable😀

[j-o-h-n]

Whatever you do.............. enjoy life if you can, cause your name (and mine and everyone else) is on that human manifest to eternity.

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor

.j-o-h-n

[Cp014 in reply to j-o-h-n]

Love you John!! Keep em comin!!