New study on the value of EXERCISE for advanced prostate cancer

[AnnieAppleseed]

ecu.edu.au/newsroom/article...

ANN: I must point out that starting at any level, you can work your way up to 20+. I just restarted my exercise program, took about 5-6 weeks to reach optimum level (for me). But DOABLE. Start by taking a walk. This postcard represents our nonprofit's view of better health.

“The optimal dose of exercise is not yet known, but it is likely to be 20-plus minutes each day and must include resistance training to grow the muscles, increase the size and capacity of the internal pharmacy, and stimulate the myokine production,” he said.

“This study provides strong evidence for the recommendation patients with prostate cancer, and likely anybody with any cancer type, should perform exercise most days, if not every day, to maintain a chemical environment within their body which is suppressive of cancer cell proliferation.”

[AnnieAppleseed]

Isn't it great? When I was first diagnosed (breast cancer, Jan 1993), the oncologist told me Yoga would KILL me. He was wrong. Things have gotten better since then.

[maley2711 in reply to AnnieAppleseed]

what was the logic of Yoga killing you???

[AnnieAppleseed in reply to maley2711]

That's the ignorance of a medical provider back in Jan 1993. At that time, SHARE already had yoga classes for us. This doctor clearly had NO IDEA about it at all, but as still happens, was willing to say a HARD NO.

[maley2711]

Many thanks for providing so many links for so many topics? Have you read any studies re benefit or not of simply walking an average of 45 minutes per day 7 days a week...20 minute mile. Motivating myself to do other types of resistance exercise is more difficult...is my walking a wasted effort re PCa survival??

[AnnieAppleseed in reply to maley2711]

Absolutely, that is what I tried to say. We all have to move at our own levels. Any movement helps the lymphatic system, which removes dirt, debris, etc. from our bodies. Whatever age, or stage, it is helpful. No matter how fast or how far, it matters. I tried to point out that the pressure to do a certain level, is absurd for most of us anyway. You do you, but keep moving.

[raisin123 in reply to AnnieAppleseed]

you lost me at dirt

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Walking is likely better than weights or resistance. Keep it up. Watch 'bob and brad' on you tube. They give great advice on ergonomic exercise.

[Lewellen]

I've started using a Water Walk oval pool. If I keep my posture a "normal walking stride" I have gone as much as 45 minutes and get out feeling no strain. I haven't found good data on how good it is for me, but I'm walking against a decent current; I'm thinking that must be resistance training.Big bonus for me is the environment. I REALLY dislike gyms. And there is usually almost no one in the pool with me.

[AnnieAppleseed in reply to Lewellen]

I am quite sure walking in water is a good exercise activity. Good for you. I believe this was studied in breast cancer (as so many good ideas are)

[Nusch]

Walking / running supports our cardiovascular system, resistance training helps you to keep muscle mass and supports bone density. I do both and trust it’s good for all warriors.

[AnnieAppleseed in reply to Nusch]

I agree, both is just fine!

[dockam]

I walked every day and even multiple times/day whilst on Vaykay at home in Hawaii for 8 days at 80F. Then got back up to 4000 ft in Tehachapi and did a walk at 39F😂

Winter walk at 4000ft

[maley2711 in reply to dockam]

39 degrees Fahrenheit? big deal......for much of this country, 39 or lower for 4 or more months per year

[AnnieAppleseed in reply to maley2711]

Yep, walk around the house or the mall. Find a way, it only matters if you recognize that. Once recognized, the motivation gets stronger. I restarted just a 5 minute walk, then managed it up to 20-25. Not sure I would do more, but I do rise from my seated position (working on computer) to fetch water, etc. every hour).

[maley2711]

Thanks...and per my understanding, mets-free survival a predictor of overall survival!

I think that if we had a nice empty room I might be able to motivate myself to begin some type of resistance program....but we just don't have such an empty space.

Honestly, almost 1 hr/day walking at 74 and I feel exercised out? I doubt there is any study comparing , say 30 minutes walking + 15 minutes resistance, to 50-60 minutes of walking ?? All the RO offered was.....yes, studies show exercise can help with ADT SEs...no specific guidance. Denied any good evidence of cardiovascular problems with ADT.......and never commented when my osteopenic DEXA BMD results came in???

I've forgotten my probabilities......if a treatment, eg ADT + radiation, has 8 potential serious SEs, each with a 5% probability, what is the probability that the patient will have at least 1 of those 8 SEs????

[AnnieAppleseed in reply to maley2711]

The point of my original comment was that we have to find OUR own level. But walking, lifting small weights, leg lifts, jumping/shaking, etc., all MATTER to our best health. And I know all of us on this discussion, want that. Just keep moving. My own program has become a 20-25 minute (every other day lower or upper) body work, with some Yoga moves, some Qi Gong moves, and those half situps. Later in the day a 20-25 minute walk in the sunshine (I live in South Florida so pretty much always sunshine).

[AnnieAppleseed]

Resistance works on muscles. Walking is aerobic and helps the lymphatic system do its job. Both are great. I use pubmed.gov The National Library of Medicine. You can research any issues, just do not use the word 'and'. I don't know why, but it stumps the algorithim.

[AnnieAppleseed]

Of course I agree. Let's get physical, physical!

[maley2711]

Thanks again ! I'm not happy that it seems not to be just my Kaiser RO but probably large majority of such docs who are not proactive in discussing all this with the patients!!?? Supposed to be a HEALTHCARE system, not just a procedure system!!!??? But we must hide our discouragement from these Docs, or risk their negative reaction ??

I'm sure all of us older guys need resistance exercise, cancer or not. Yes, I'm such a wimp at 74, that I'd need to do pushups with knees on ground......called women's pushups?

What a large number of men need is joint-friendly resistance exercise...guess I should Google....even my walking sometimes challenges my old knees. A VERY atheletic 76 yr old former bother-in-law just had his 3rd knee procedure/replacement..yikes. One Doc told him next step is amputation....OMG!! Formerly, 44+ years ago, a 5'11" bball dunker!!! Never especially overweight.

So " As The World Turns" !! I'm going to start the wimp's pushups in next 24 hours. What muscles are principal for situps?

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I do not have any links to studies. I was repeating Tall_Allens's posts. Try asking his input on this. I prefer strength training since I can get my upper body in on the action. Walking gets my biggest muscles moving. I power walk between weight sets. ADT makes this motivationally hard.

[Adlon57]

Finding it hard, exercise has been recommended for my Prostate Cancer therapy, I am currently on Radiotherapy sessions, BUT it has aggravated my Genetic Osteoarthritis knees, which are b##### painful especially getting up from sitting position or walking down stairs🥴🙄

[dockam]

I did 648 miles in 2022, gonna try and best that this year.

Dx'd in Oct 2014, so bulk of those miles post PCa Dx, maybe that's why I'm still standing

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Map my run app from 10/15/ 2011

[AnnieAppleseed in reply to dockam]

Great, it matters.