Hadron Therapy

[Perfetto-Zeynep]

Hi

Has anyone had carbon ion therapy in Germany?

What do you think about this treatment?

I contacted Heidelberg but they said they were closed until 7th march.

Thanks for your comments

[Tall_Allen]

Italy also has carbon ion at CNAO in Pavia (near Milan). Try contacting Roberto Orecchia at the European Institute of Oncology in Milan.

[Perfetto-Zeynep in reply to Tall_Allen]

Thank you very much for your helpful comment. I’ll contact there.

[Brundo]

Can you please provide more information about this therapy? I just looked it up and it says that it's for localized prostate cancer.

[Perfetto-Zeynep in reply to Brundo]

Hadron Therapy is a radiotherapy method developed to destroy cancerous cells. Unlike other radiotherapy methods, strongly interacting particles and ions are used in this treatment method.

The most commonly used proton and carbon in hadron therapy method.

[Brundo in reply to Perfetto-Zeynep]

Thank you so much for your reply

[Tall_Allen in reply to Brundo]

Here's an article about it:

prostatecancer.news/2016/08...

You are right that it has only been used for prostate radiation so far. I guess it could be used on metastases that are causing problems if they are in a precarious place. I have no idea why the OP is interested in it.

[Brundo in reply to Tall_Allen]

As always thank you for sharing your knowledge. I never heard about this therapy before. It sounds like a good option for some and not so much for others, but I guess it's worth contacting them to find out more as things change every day.

[Currumpaw in reply to Tall_Allen]

Hey T_A!

Thanks for the link. progress with this seems to be moving slowly. Usually a reason for that.

An older link with more info--

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Carbon‐ion radiation therapy for prostate cancer ...

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...

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Currumpaw

[Tall_Allen in reply to Currumpaw]

The reason is cost. Mayo is building a carbon ion cyclotron in Florida.

mayo.edu/research/forefront...

[Currumpaw in reply to Tall_Allen]

Hey T_A!

The new treatment facilities are supposed to be much smaller than the first generation facilities. Thanks for that info.

Of interest would be the possibility or "re-treatment" or as some have suggested with proton therapy that --surgery may be possible after proton therapy as it less damaging--depending on the radiologist who did the proton therapy!!!

For failed radiation HIFU was able to help many. I would think that FLA might do the same and even better although the in bore, real time using a mp 3.0T MRI seems to be becoming more common.

I wouldn't be surprised if the research coalesces and a pill, an injection or whatever makes all other treatments things of historical value!

Currumpaw

[Tall_Allen in reply to Currumpaw]

Radiation causes changes in tissue that makes surgery difficult - that is because of ionizing radiation and is true for X-rays, protons, or carbon ions.

The best salvage after radiation failure is focal brachytherapy.

[Currumpaw in reply to Tall_Allen]

Hey T_A!

So right about surgery. If it were I, I wouldn't roll the dice on "only this much radiation damage should have occurred--it will be okay." I've heard "assurances" before.

Currumpaw

[j-o-h-n]

Geez I read the title of your post and thought it said "Hardon Therapy".... (would have been a more interesting post)...

Good LucK, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 03/03/2021 6:08 PM EST

[Perfetto-Zeynep in reply to j-o-h-n]

😊

[Hidden in reply to j-o-h-n]

That would be the best therapy, wouldn't it?

😳

[j-o-h-n in reply to Hidden]

It sure WOODie............

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Friday 03/12/2021 7:28 PM EST