Do we all agree taking the vaccine is the correct thing to for everyone
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No. We don't all agree.
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See...First response was a no.
lewicki in reply to
I am a sceptic. But, wife and I are on are way in 20 minutes to get first of two.With what information that is available no choice.
No. It's a matter of choice. I received my second Pfizer injection last week.
Much better than the alternative. I had the Moderna shot last week, arm was sore for a couple of days, everything ok now. Get it and don't look back.
Of course. Anyone who's sane and doesn't live on a desert island should be getting it. I hope it and wearing masks become federal law. No one has the right to infect me.
in reply to Tall_Allen
Come on TA. The question was do we all agree, not should we all agree. The federal law shipped sailed when the courts ruled it wasn't illegal to intentionally infect someone with AIDS.
Tall_Allen in reply to
.It is illegal in my state to intentionally infect someone with HIV. There are similar laws in most states. You are incorrect that federal law has invalidated them
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Anti-vaxxers be damned. No one has the right to infect me.
in reply to Tall_Allen
Agreed...but you'll agree it's hard to enforce and how would you treat it different than the flu. Slippery slope that I for sure don't want lawyers involved. We should all wear a mask and get the flu shot. Im waiting for the jnj vaccine. I'm a little wary of Pfizer. Moderna technology.
Unproven where jnj has the ebola vaccine for a number of years.
Tall_Allen in reply to
It's easy to enforce, the same way ACA used to be and will be again. You get a hefty tax penalty if you don't get a vaccine. IRS should require proof. It's not a slippery slope- it's a solid line - it's a deadly, highly contagious disease - flu isn't close on either ground.
When 5 billion people are vaccinated, even a side effect that has a 1 in a million risk, will occur 5,000 times. And I'm sure the media will make it seem like a big problem. That's because the media and most people are innumerate.
We only need immunity for long enough for herd immunity to wipe out the virus. We all have to do our part. We're all in this together. Didn't you hear Bruce Springsteen yesterday?
No other choice. Chinese need to write a check.
Hi TA:
Don’t think we can “wipe out” this virus as it’s complex and has many variants such as the South African variant that is more transmissible and is now proliferating in USA. 2 shots will not eliminate this virus, unfortunately.
The idea of herd immunity is that if there are insufficient carriers, it will die out. The South African variant is more resistant but it isn't completely resistant.
fmenninger in reply to
I concur as well. What’s the HUGE rush to get a covid vaccine from moderna or Pfizer when others are coming out that may prove to be safer in the long run and protect better against the other covid variants. We all have waited over a year and many have not been affected or have and have not died. I just think this rush to a decision without having more significant data especially in the long term. I live in ny and I’m phase 1A and my earliest appt is on 3-27 in Plattsburgh NY (closest facility that has appt). I’m not in a HUGE rush and may opt for JNJ as well.
Most likely our govt will strongly encourage all to get a covid vaccine at some point. You will need a covid vaccination card to travel as some companies are doing this now and more will follow. If you plan not to get the covid vaccine, I suggest a trip to the moon may help. Ha ha
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That would be the correct decision IMHO. The jnj covid vaccine uses the same technology they develop when creating the vaccine for ebola. That i think was over 6 years ago. The safety profile is better understood. I'm in 1A too in PA. With no vaccinations available it's as worthless as a mask mandate. 😀
fmenninger in reply to
I concur as it uses adenovirus technology that has been around longer than using mRNA for vaccines. Just as long as jnj doesn’t add any fillers such as talcum powder...ha ha
in reply to Tall_Allen
Misread...you stated federal law...that ain't happening. CA has more laws than people.
Tall_Allen in reply to
I think it should happen. We tried the "each state does its own thing" - and we saw how well that worked out. It will require a federal mandate..
To clarify, I assume that you are asking if the Covid vaccine is safe and medically advisable for men with advanced prostate cancer (i.e., you are not soliciting political opinions).
Just think.... for us bald guys it may grow hair on our upper heads, hopefully sometime in the near future....(I went out and brought a comb with teeth and a horse hair brush just in case - black plastic btw)...
Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.
j-o-h-n Monday 02/08/2021 5:40 PM EST
I want all persons who don't have a medical excuse, to wear a mask in public and get vaccinated. It has nothing to do with elected or not. In my city, there is a $300 fine for not wearing a face-covering in public. The sheriff enforces it and gives free masks to anyone who needs it. Even so, I see people in public without them. (Some people drive while on cell phones, don't stop at signs, etc.) Unfortunately, I can't fine them and by the time a deputy gets there, they will be gone. All we can do is make laws and enforce them as best we can.
It has nothing to do with defecation in public, which is illegal under California Penal Code 640 PC prohibiting urinating or defecating in a system facility or vehicle, other than a lavatory, unless it is the “result of a disability, age, or a medical condition.” However, the most common charge stemming from public urination is a public nuisance charge under California Penal Code section 372. Cities have more specific ordinances. LA City has a specific ordinance (LAMC 41.47.2.) against public urination and defecation, you'll be happy to learn.
in reply to Tall_Allen
Laws not enforced are really not laws. And the Constitution restricts the authority of the US Government which I am thankful for everyday.
I bring up the govt officials because of how many have been caught in public without masks on.
Tall_Allen in reply to
Do you think that the law proscribing holding a phone while driving is "not a real law.?" Many laws are difficult to enforce - you have to get caught in the act. They are real laws.
Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.
The police power of the State is the most fundamental function of government. Maybe you need to advocate a Constitutional amendment to protect your supposed "right" to infect others.
in reply to Tall_Allen
Thats not what I'm advocating
People should wear mask but it is impossible to adequately enforce that so why waste tax payers dollars even trying. That is a fools errand.
Tall_Allen in reply to
Well, as you see, the Supreme Court said I have that right - so I do. The suit was established in a Massachussetts case, as you see. Protection from the harm caused by others is the most fundamental raison d'etre of government. You may want to read Hobbes. Face coverings are being enforced in my city
in reply to Tall_Allen
Nice try but your interpretation of that case is incorrect. A states policing power to include compulsory vaccinations does not extend a right for you not to be infected. If you honestly think about, you'll agree that is silly.
I'm with you on the mask wearing but not with a national mandate. Local mandates are okay. And as you stated correctly, states do have that authority. In CA, with all the police defunding going on, how is the mask mandate really going to be enforce. Besides. I don't think local authorities have the authority to enforce federal law without a corresponding state law witch trickles down to localities. Also, the federal government would need to come up with billions of dollars in funds to pay for this mandate.
I'm a locke guy myself. Since college. Everyone should have to read 2nd treatise of government.
I live near Valley Forge. PA. It's 9:12 and the temperature is 18 degrees. Kind of nice if you like cold weather.
PS. I've been stuck in legal hell in New Jersey that involves a lunatic condo owner with lots of money. She has kept me and the other unit owners in court for nearly 10 years now. She loses all the time. I've since come to despise lawyers and developed a skill for reading opinions. A skill I wished I never learned.
Tall_Allen in reply to
In the country where I live, we have government of the people, by the people, for the people (as Lincoln said) . My government represents my interests and protects me and my rights. Your rights stop at my face. Just as states passed bans against knowingly transmitting HIV, and the Supreme Court case says they can do just that. It is silly to think govt lacks authority to protect its citizenry.
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