I'm trying to collect some wisdom from this all-knowing forum and see whether or not I should avoid shellfish? I love shrimps, crabs, and mussels, but I've told it can increase your psa. Is this a valid thing? I haven't had shellfish in what feels like an eternity. (almost 2 years now) I have already eliminated all meats, dairy, and poultry from my diet and would love to eat shrimps. My wife wants to make a shrimp etouffee (her specialty) but has been recalcitrant. Is this a valid concern?
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I've never heard that - do you have a reference, or is it just another rumor? I hope you haven't eliminated all meats, dairy, and poultry from your diet because of prostate cancer - that is just ridiculous - there is no reliable evidence for doing any of that. I hate seeing people with cancer depriving themselves without any good reason - aren't you suffering enough?
Dr. Phillips at Kaiser told me to stay away, but I've heard conflicting information. Thank you, Tall Allen! I agree, I'm going to enjoy my wife's etouffee now. It's going to be a carnage.
Before I leave, what are you thoughts on fried chicken? I mean would a fried leg , thigh, and side tray of popoe biscuits with spicy cajun fries hurt any as in once a month?
I'm coming to your house for dinner! Whatever you won't eat, I will. There is really no credible data that cutting back on any of these things has any benefit. Ask your Dr Phillips to show you the data and let me see it - I'll show you why it's probably wrong.
"A behavioral intervention that increased vegetable consumption did not significantly reduce the risk of prostate cancer progression among men with early-stage disease."
"The panel suggests that adults continue current unprocessed red meat consumption (weak recommendation, low-certainty evidence). Similarly, the panel suggests adults continue current processed meat consumption (weak recommendation, low-certainty evidence)."
Now, I could just as easily shown you observational studies that reach the opposite conclusions. That is very much the point. Other than the MEAL study, all the research is observational. Observational studies are almost always wrong. They show association, not causation. There could be many reasons why a man who eats chicken or eggs everyday is more likely to die of prostate cancer and those reasons have nothing to do with diet (e.g., they are the cheapest proteins and poor people are less likely to get adequate medical care). In research, we call this "unmeasured confounders." Observational studies are also flawed by "selection bias" - those who get a certain treatment are different in an important way from those who don't. The only way to know if diet has an effect on prostate cancer is to do a randomized clinical trial (like the MEAL trial).
My opinion is that whatever effect diet has, if any, is small and cumulative over a lifetime. I don't think anything one does in the short-term will have any effect.
Wow Tall_Allen! You are the man, brother! The data you shared is very reassuring, and what a relief. I have been depriving myself for so 18 months now. We will have a feast when all this is over. Full disclosure my wife and I are foodies. She's French Algerian and knows how to throw down a mean Boeuf Bourguignon steeped in Bordeaux, she also cooks Chicken tagines and couscous. You are invited to our family's barbecue! Ha! Thank you, brother!
Indeed! And yes it's the clay tagine pot, she's a purist when it comes to tagines! When this COVID-19 nightmare is over and it WILL, we'll invite over. She also makes a mean Nicoise and Choux Fleur aux gratins, but when it comes to pancakes, I make the best pancakes and wafles!
I'll be right over. My Algerian friends moved to LA (from Minnesota)--Mourad said the beach in California made him feel more at home--so I'm missing their cooking
Please message me. Is there a way to connect your algerian friends with my wife? It would be awesome. She grew-up in Paris, but brags about her Algerian roots all the time. As diverse as Los Angeles is, we've only encountered a handful of Algerians. As for the weather, she loves it out here!
I never know whether all these names are common or not. I have a half Algerian/half German friend named Bader, and a Tunisian friend named Samir. Other names, like my Burkinabe friend Moustapha, or Moussa (I know two of them, and two Ousmans) I do know are common. I'm so lucky to speak French well enough to get to know all these people. Moustapha especially is such a sweetheart of a man (not a Romantic sweetheart, just a good person--I'm gay but he's straight). I hope you and your wife and Mourad and Siba can all meet and hit it off!
Effectivement, le fait de parler français permet de decouvrir beaucoup de culture! And who knows, if you've ever make it to LA, we should all get together and throw a giant mechoui/tagine party, I've already invited tall Allen who my husband mentioned is looking forward to my tagine! You and your friends are welcome as well. Merci beaucoup, Jim!
This name derives from the Arabic murad, from the Arabic quadriliteral root arad, meaning 'desired, wished'. The name Murad stems from the Persian word morad, which means 'fulfilment of a vow'.
Tall Allen is right as usual I’m sure. However even he’d agree that keeping a healthy weight , and BMI will likely lead to a longer life. So eat as you want but in moderation and exercise.
Do you know whether alcohol has any negative effect due to ADT hormone therapy. I'm on prosap + Abi + pred since DX and haven't touched any alcohol since.
Hi. My husband had a Gleason 9 cancer treated by surgery and radiation 6 years ago. For the last 18 months he has been in BCR with relatively slowly rising PSA ( 10 - 12 month doubling at this point). He eats no dairy and only fish and shellfish, no other meat. The only negative thing that he was told about shrimp is high cholesterol. He is fit and does a lot of physical activity so no problem with that. I would say enjoy the etouffee!
Why do you want to give it up? If it's helpful and not interfering with your treatment or your life I don't see the problem. I started using marijuana after diagnosis (mostly vaping) and found it to be extremely good for mental health, particularly on days when I'm not fit to exercise.
Take a drop of RSO in a capsule rectally or eat it on an empty stomach with a little fat. The rectal route can avoid the "head high" but produce a strong "body high" and is way more efficient. Far less is needed.
I am with you brother. I love shrimp, crab and mussels. I am pescatarian. However, I a quick search on Google scholar tells me bottom feeders may not be the best thing for me. I do eat shrimp etc but not that often. I would say I eat shellfish less than one per month. What is life for.
I love shellfish .. Naturalpathics tell us it’s all toxic . Bottom feeders filtering the floor. In the Old Testament it spoke not to eat shell fish .I went on a holistic diet five years ago . We visited New Orleans last October . I took off the gloves. I ate ; turtle, crab, shrimp, oysters , duck and everything on the Cajun menu. As I was departing New Orleans on the plane west I developed a rash over my arms and torso . This was from all of the toxicity of the foods eaten . It lasted for five days then was gone. I used to eat my weight each year in fish and sushi and shell fish . Now only once in a great while.
Flying into St. Georges Island on the Florida Panhandle....Cold brew and about 3 doz.is a nice lunch.....sitting there with all the rest of, I guess shit eaters loving life..... Blue Skies to all!!!
I occasionally eat sushi. It is also in DO NOT EAT list for prostate cancer. But again, I have it maybe once every two months, mostly tuna. What is life for.
Wild salmon is great for us of course. In your opinion is farm raised salmon also good for us just not as good as wild , or is the farmed raised pretty bad?
Last Friday the nutritionist from Harvard School of Public Health did *not* advise against shellfish in the Mass Prostate Cancer Symposium. Of course that is not saying deep fried shrimp every night is good for you.
Good lord, people! I've heard that life kills and that we're gonna die one day. Your love of seafood and its preparation sound great to me. Go for it.
As Tall_Allen has reported, there is little - if any - data indicating that one should deprive oneself of the pleasures of seafood or beef or pork or, or, or. And, the idea that eating shrimp or other shellfish because of what THEY consume seems ridiculous to me. But, to each his own.
You're going through enough stress and suffering, I dare say. Enjoy your food! And, of course, all things in moderation (novel idea, huh? LOL)
Just remember shell creatures are bottom feeders and live off of junk on the bottom of the seas junk in junk out. Check out Chris Knows Cancer on you tube and on a Amazon book the studies are a lot of bunk when they say they are good it is All about the Money Baby
I haven't met a shellfish that I particularly like.
The conversation is very deep, but lacking backbone, in terms of substance.
(sorry I couldn't resist #%&*^%)
Beat that one J-O-H-N ....
I live by the beach in MX and in US. I harvest clams, mussels, wild caught salmon, tuna and dungeness crab. I have access to fresh oysters, octopus, squid. Love seafood. Friends don't let friends eat farmed salmon.....I recognize some places like Norway may have better methods but there have been many problems with farmed fish living in crowded conditions with feces contaminated water.....and we are worried about clams, mussels, crabs! I use the freshest fish or chicken to catch crab....they prefer fresh killed food, mussels grow on rocks in the surfline. I would take my chances with seafood over most corporate farmed beef, pork, chicken. Love MT grass fed beef but most of us are not eating that. Any food living in cramped pens and shot full of antibiotics is not inspiring to me.....I would rather eat fresh, sustainably caught seafood, when possible.
After viewing Chris Werk's modules, module 3, (from "Chris Beat Cancer"), he says that cancer feeds on the amino acid methionine, which is present in animal protein, including eggs and cow's milk as well. It's a shame most of our food has let us down. So skip the beef/ steak. Poultry and seafood have some methionine, compared with beans. Of course, try to get fresh ocean-caught seafood, not farm-raised. Chris says if you eat such food, eat green veggies/ salad at the same meal. Maybe the key is to taste a few shrimp, but limit? He also recommends taking a good probiotic for gut health.
Thanks for all your contributions. I agree with most, BUT some reviews were/are riddled with religious bias and negative inferences of shrimps amounting to s%it food and people eating them or willing to eat seafood as s%it people completely uncalled for.
I'm not here to knock down anybody's religion, but I don't need to be lectured with scriptures and negative eating sh@t food comments which are culturally insensitive and downright offputting.
Wanna talk about sh@t, how about environmental toxic exposures which literally defecate on us all, or but as long as we're making profits at the detriment of others, mostly minorities, then no one is complaining. Shrimps aren't killing us, toxins are!
For now, I will be enjoying some shrimps in moderation, and anyone else is welcome to join me! Happy Sunday!
Ohh, the laughter, the laughter. Thank you sir. I have some fish sticks that have been in my freezer for about a year. Don't know if they were bottom feeders. Mostly bought them as an excuse to buy some Tartar Sauce. I figure we will all be eating snails in a few months. Just watch what your cats eat. Not your dogs - they eat their own poop. Enjoy.
Don't worry about what you eat. Nothing you eat is known to accelerate Pca growth, but maybe if you eat TOO MUCH then you could be feeding the Pca too much.
The best you can do for yourself is to eat only enough to enable waist < 95cm, and BMI < 25, and while you do that, make sure you spend plenty of time on daily exercize.
I've survived 10 years after diagnosis and am now 72,and I cycle 200km a week, waist 92cm, BMI 22.5, resting heart rate 48, and doctors think I an the most healthy stage 4 Pca patient they have ever seen. I gave up all red meats from about 2015 to 2019, and it made SFA difference except that it lessened arthritis pains. But I had both knee joints replaced in early 2017, and then I could eat some meat again with arthritic pains. Diet is important to live well and get old, and as we age, we lose muscle mass % , so we should also lose fat %, so that we get lighter as we age, NOT HEAVIER. By being lighter, we can do many things we always liked, although slower, because our lighter muscles also produce less motive power per Kg of muscle. I could cycle 26km across town at 61 in 55 minutes, but last week I did the same trip in 60 minutes. But nobody over 65 overtook me. At 40, I did it faster.
But doing it is the key to longevity, just sitting and doing SFA is poisonous.
200km a week is 9.5 hours of time cycling, and its on 3 days a week, and not all cycle rides are fast. But there's nothing less than 20kph average. So my effort equals average of 1.36 hours a day. Yesterday I did 78km, and discovered a nice Sushi restaurant in a distant suburb to mine, so I had a fine healthy lunch meal during my ride.
If I do eat meat, its less than 100grams, and mixed with vegetables in a stew, all quite filling, packed with enough vitamins, and enough protiens, fats, and carbohydtrates.
I rarely ever eat shelfish such as prawns because often they have come from asian prawn farms and are highly polluted.
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