thousands of ‘penis fish’ wash onto California beachIt’s a bird … it’s a plane … it’s a penis fish?
Thousands of “pulsing penis fish” have washed ashore on a California beach as seen in jarring photos that are raising eyebrows due to the creature’s phallic shape.
The quirky marine life is officially called fat innkeeper worms (Urechis caupo), and an expert writes for Bay Nature that he believes a recent storm in the Drakes Beach area is the reason so many of them mysteriously appeared on the beach.
Spotted by Ivan Parr on Dec. 6, the biologist from the Western Section of The Wildlife Society explains that the 10-inch fat innkeeper worm typically lives underwater, burrowing in mud or sand, but the storm likely carried them ashore.
“I’ve heard my share of imaginative theories from beachcombers, such as flotsam of a wrecked bratwurst freighter,” he writes.
However, Parr explains that a sausage ship accident is not the cause of this scene.
“We’re seeing the risk of building your home out of sand,” he says. “Strong storms — especially during El Niño years — are perfectly capable of laying siege to the intertidal zone, breaking apart the sediments, and leaving their contents stranded on shore.”
The spoonworm, which can live for up to 25 years, feeds and swims using its “spatula-shaped proboscis.” It typically eats bacteria, plankton and other small particles which it collects using “sticky mucus nets.”
Parr says he’s heard of sightings over the years in California at Pajaro Dunes, Moss Landing, Bodega Bay and Princeton Harbor.
The creature dates back 300 million years and also can be eaten — an anonymous colleague at The Post who has dined on a stir-fried fat innkeeper worm before in Shanghai, China, describes the taste as being “like a Livestrong band mated with a clam.”
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You think you’ve seen most everything in 73 years but this is a new one on me . Imagine falling down drunk on the beach one night and waking up in a pile of those .........ewwwwwwwww Yayahahahaya
A few years ago ...when Route 66 was still a thing. Once on a trip from Chi town to L.A. in winter .....
I woke up one morning , somewhere in the desolate Arizona desert .... sagebrush, cactus , bare rocky ground , a bit crumpled and damp .... on top of one of those little covered pic-nic tables that used to be scattered all along 66 here and there .... had to pull over for some sleep and sober up. Bright sun just coming up ...opened my eyes and a whole herd of giant shiny hairy black tarantulas was crawling all over me and everywhere.
I’m pretty sure I wet myself ( cudda been left from earlier tho .....dunno ) ...but in my best whiny little girl voice I let out a blood curdling scream at the top of my lungs.
So scared I was literally paralyzed with fear .... know what ? ..... a equally scared black tarantula can jump well over 6’ in a single leap ... trying to get away as fast as possible ! A whole herd of them all at one time is even scarier looking. Imagine hairy black popcorn popping. Dunno but I’d swear they can wet themselves too .
Dunno what this has to do with these worms but reminded me of it anyway yayahahahaya
Yayahahahaya well sounds like both of us have been around the block a couple of times.
I don’t know a darn thing about sterile slants, wide mouth mason jars, inoculated rye grain medium or soft shiny white Mycelium ....Nooope ... never heard of any of that yayahahahaya. ( I am a biomedical engineer )
In the late 60s I worked in the house light show at Titticut Follies night club in downtown Berkeley. I did the special effects , nuclear drums, pyrotechnics, twinkle strobes, enormous clouds of liquid nitrogen etc. the other two guys did the slip glass melting blobs projected on the walls , popular at the time. We worked from a scaffold erected in the middle of the club. It was real performance art. That art performance was always more successful when you could sync yourself with the mental conditioning of the audience, for sure. I could write a book about my times there. People like Owsley, Keasley and Leary were everyday joe’s back then that liked to hang out and party back stage with the more popular bands. They usually ingratiated themselves by bringing “ gifts “ , lots of premium gifts yayahahahaya
I was a charter member OG hydro farmer here in CenCal for the medical cannabis co-op For many many years. All that is old news now that anyone can walk into any gas station convenience store and buy 300 kinds of cannabis products off wall hooks OTC yayahahahaya. ( figuratively speaking ) Times change , we’re artifacts of another long past era. We could never do that stuff to our bodies today as well ( probably ) .
These youngsters today know very little about most of that stuff, probably a good thing. I enlisted in the Army in 1970 and went to Ft Ord for boot camp thru the Oakland induction center. It was a month before I would have been drafted.
My new Kaiser doctor has stopped me from using cannabis products now .. makes me pee in a cup DAP test as part of my opiate contract. Loaded me up with pain medication “ benefits “ kinda trying to make up for it I guess. Yayahahahaya this world is a fickle place isn’t it ?
O M G Kaliber , I am laughing SO hard I almost peed myself! I have a tarantula story like yours, TRUE STORY, except not near as colorful or funny!
I grew up in the country, and one childhood home of ours was surrounded by countless cedar trees, rocky fields, with creeks running through the property, etc...prime real estate for all types of critters. I was accustomed to seeing and co-existing with all types of wildlife, however...I never quite got accustomed to the "infestation" of the hordes of black, furry tarantulas that lived there, AND inhabited our farmhouse!
It was one thing to see them outside where they commonly live, but they would show up inside the house where they obviously weren't expected OR welcomed!
We were told that they were attracted to and lived in/around the cedar trees and rocky outcroppings in the area, but why they loved our farmhouse I have no idea!
I swear we had the makings for a smash hit of a horror movie!
Long story short, and needless to say, I do know that they can jump quite high, and I'm in agreement with you, they DO pee themselves...it couldn't have been me! )
I lived in Texas for over a decade and they were as common as scorpions ( thick as flies ) and horned toads there too. When you are mowing what there is of a yard in that rugged place ( Killeen, Tex ...Ft. Hood ) .... you have to have someone walk in front of the mower to shooo away the horned toads and tarantulas and “ spot” for prickly pear cactus shoots. You NEVER want to hit those shoots with a mower yayahahahaya one can turn into a forest of them pretty quick from all the pieces. Yayahahahaya
Here in Central California tarantulas are quite common as are horned toads as well. They live out in the foothills and near the lakes. A little smaller than the Arizona types. I kinda like them.
Very familiar with the Killeen/Ft. Hood area. Born, raised & still live in Central Texas. My tarantula (& I forgot horny toads & scorpions) experience was mainly in Glen Rose. I've not seen any of those critters in quite some time. Was always told fire ants wiped 'em out, or chemicals, but who knows! Sad, really, I loved horny toads, respected tarantulas from a distance, as well as scorpions. Small world! 😀
Fire ants were just getting started when I lived there, no doubt a lot worse 40 years later. We used to take a peek at our steps when we came out of the house in the morning for rattlesnakes, they used to coil up and sleep on people’s steps. You would usually find 8 - 10 of them a year back then. Austin was only 60 miles south, used to hang out there most weekends ... Armadillo world headquarters , Les Amines , all the hike and bike trails along the river. Beautiful place. Boots , hats , beer gardens and Shiner Long Necks ... didn’t get much better than that. I learned to love Texas after a while . San Antonio and the river walk was and still is an exotic sunken gardens ... ambiance thick enough to cut with a knife. My brother in law still lives over at the coast near Houston.... never get enough offshore fishing in the gulf. Lots of hunting and fishing there , lots to like about Texas.
I’m sitting in my jacuzzi under a canvas pavilion off my back patio, sipping a glass of local white wine while I’m writing this, a little after midnight and nearly 60f outside ... palm trees and bright red flowering fragrant eucalyptus trees and shrubs blooming everywhere. Lots to like about this place too I guess, but I do still miss that Texas vibe a lot now and then . Yayahahahaya this place is a lot like Padre Island this time of the year. Gotta try to soak it all in while we can. Seems like I appreciate all this a lot more the way things are now ... funnie how that works yayahahahaya.
There are still a lot horny toads all over Arizona . They are passive. I love the horns toad .Out of towers are fascinated when I pick one up to show them . They don’t bite us.. The Gila monster is a favorite lizard here.. I ve yet to see fire ants in as . Hope that holds . My brothers x wife is in Killeen . I have no been . That’s a big base . Take care and have a good week ahead . Peace 😎🌵
I’m a nature lover . My father was a park Ranger for 35 years. From the years 66 71 he was the superintendent of Saguaro natl monument now park.... We shut the park gates at sunset .My brothers and had run of the park. After the summer monsoon rains I remember seeing hundreds if not thousands of tarantulas getting up on the steaming 9 mile black top loop road. My friend had one as a pet . It would crawl over that kid ..I haven’t seen that arachnid phenomenon crossing the roads in the 50 years since.. 3 years ago we had a great monsoon after a30 yr drought. I walked in the wash near our desert home and there in the sand were millions of 1/2 inch baby Colorado River toads. Nature in the desert keeps things under the surface until the time is perfect . I avoided the scorpion bite until two years ago. Super pain for 24 hrs . Then nothing.. The only time these guys bite humans is in self defense when they are being crushed .. Your tarantula wake up session would have flipped me out at any age....That’s a freaky story .
By the looks of things you still live pretty close to that great place. I don’t know why but that place is beautiful to me, I really love that great desert environment. It’s very exotic. I head over to Joshua Tree quite often and mono lake too ... I wouldn’t trade it completely for for the Mediterranean environment I live in but sure wood share it equally yayahahahaya. Palm trees and ocotillo cactus ....oh yea yayahahahaya
I never got a scorpion sting in Texas but my wife got stung the first time she used my shower and one fell into the waterbed and stung her the first night she slept there yayahahahaya guess they thought she tasted better. You could lift a board in a outside woodpile and 100s of them would run in all directions there in Texas. Hid under loose bark in the pine trees too. You had to be careful.
They say the penis fish is showing up all over Cal. One kid even found one in his moms bedside nightstand.... I’ve been been lucky to avoid bites until the last on. My first bite was at 4yrs old in Maryland. I was in my summer shorts walking with our friends dachshund when I stepped on a yellow jacket nest in the blue grass. I got 130 bites putting me allergic to stings. Never got bit again until the scorp..It’s a peaceful drive from
La to Prescott... come over and hang with us for a bit ..Some beautiful areas around here that we can show you ..Take care brother...🕷🐝🦂
That’s really funny yayahahahaya .... but it might be an electric eel instead, they probably look a lot alike yayahahahaya yayahahahaya. You never know.
In my last house , a block from here , yellow jackets built a nest underground in a elevated corner of that yard. One night I wondered into their nest and they kicked my a$$ ... those sapsuckers are extremely painful. I didn’t get more than a few extremely painful stings ...I can’t imagine your agony with that many stings. Probably good thing mine was at night ....
Fresno is in the Central Valley interior of California.... half way between L.A. and S.F. . ... Joshua tree national monument and Death Valley are 3 to 4 hours closer to me than you are yayahahahaya yayahahahaya I’d love to take that 40 drive East at least one more time . It’s on my bucket list .... nothing but great stuff the whole route. It’d be great to stop and share a glass of lemonade ( Montrachet) along the way brother.
Got that little voice in the back of my head laughing it’s a$$ off saying “ dreamer “ , but what the hay does it know ...... right ..... ? yayahahahaya.
I have a yellow jacket nest in the ground 200 feet from my front door. I use caution because I’m allergic. But now in this cold weather I’m
Must eradicate this underground nest to protect my future. It good yo dream. The mundane will take over if no dreaming occurs. They say if you can dream it you can do it . We pray that’s the case for our dreams. My role now it to ready my wife’s situation for a time when I’m not here.. thus the move and sale of the other place. Downsizing.. It’s all taken care of . Nothing in my name. I don’t even have a bank account. Sold everything to survive these past five years . Still, by some miracle I’m here . We visit family in cal twice yearly in the Bay Area.. Take it easy!
We do get to travel a lot here , many exotic places ... all on the company dime tho. The medical center encourages people to take spouses when on the road. Wife gonna retire in 11 months .... gonna be some big changes for both of us.
Your wife sounds really nice ... it’s sad this has to happen to her. Sucks big time
She did nothing to deserve such bs .First marriage for both of us . Us fellows after 50 almost deserve something. For us it’s pc . But others battle bad shit also. Change can be good for you both.Glad to hear that ..
One important thing about the monument and all where you live is that it’s natural rugged beauty. Just beautiful. Nature at it finest. Jaw dropping awesome.
Fresno , here where I live , would be bare rocky desert .... sprinkled with creosote bushes and tumbleweeds, not much else. Less than 11 “ rain here a year. We have plenty of snowmelt from the very nearby high Sierras mountains , lots of large water storage lakes that turns this isolated valley into a man made garden wonderland. It never freezes here which causes a mediterranean environment with all the snowmelt. A large percentage of all the AG food the entire Country eats comes from here. It’s vast and extremely varied.
Having said that , Fresno ... many if not most California cities are total freaks. The meticulous Fresno yards are adorned with plants, bushes and trees selected to be in fragrant bloom year round. We have winter grass and we have summer grass, green yards year round ( I pass on the winter grass plant and let my brown yard rest in the winter ) We are just now , in December, having fall, spring bloom will be in full force by February. About half the plants - trees here are from the Southern Hemisphere.... they bloom in winter taking up the slack from the northern ones during winter months. Fragrant Eucalyptus trees exploding with bright red blooms are everywhere , for example. Loquat trees with pungent thick white blooms ...
While yes it’s beautiful, there is nothing natural about it ... the entire city is a product of man’s imagination and not Mother Nature . It’s all synthetic and forced. Palm trees and redwoods side by side in yards ...a quarter of the foliage here you’d have to look up in a botanical reference to even know what it is. Fortunately we have plenty of rugged natural beauty nearby ... some of the best on earth ( Yosemite, Kings Canyon , coastal micro lime ) which balances things out, but ...
Fresno is still a freak of mans imagination and vanity Yayahahahaya. Radically different than your beautiful home there brother.
I grew up in the Bay Area in the 70’s & 80’s in Marin Co. point Reyes in our backyard. I knew Fresno then .can be hot and humid. But yes, let it grow . America food basket .They also grow a lot of rice in that delta.. IVe seen thermal ground imaging from a satellites . They show the table ground water sucked down in some places to several thousand feet. The imperial valley in some spots had sunk a foot or more due to water withdraw. As long as the Sierra and Rockies recieve water then All is well in the west. I believe that we’re still in a 30 yr drought. Very good that you’re happy where you are planted. Last time I went thru Sac. Was coming back from Burning man with my brother. That was a revelation of human expression and freedom. Hang loose like a long neck goose ,Or in our case like little neck clam near extinction .. Take care.🌎
Yes yes brother , there is no more exotic and special place as the Marin headlands. There are plenty of other exotic places but the Marin headlands are high on that list. My wife’s UCSF home office is up there and I can get back home to Berkeley as much as weekly sometimes if I want. I don’t know how many micro climes are there but they talk about the 50 hills all the time. Enjoy the chilly fogged in windy ambiance of the sunset district, then drive round back of Sutter hill and enjoy gentle warm and sunny ambiance of what feels like you went to a different continent yayahahahaya. Drive up the Castro or to GG park for something else entirely. I’ve probably spent 8 - 9 days up there in the last couple of months.
You are right ..
There aren’t really any “ farmers “ anymore , it’s all gigantic farming conglomerates... AG operations of unimaginable size like WestLake. They have sucked up so much ground water in places .. the ground level has fallen 12 feet. It’s pretty much uniform valley wide at two or three feet. No one should ever be growing anything over in the stark desert along 5 on the west side, but they do. We over produce here to extremes that are hard to grasp. I’ve seen enormous, really enormous , piles of those sauce tomatoes just plain dumped in fields for animal feed. They grew so much they were unable to market it. The government pays them to dump it to maintain market price levels. I could go on and on about that topic alone yayahahahaya. If they just took out a half a million acres each of totally over produced / unneeded almonds and screw cap wine grapes they would save enormous amounts of water. Not only will they NOT do that, they are always planting more .... it’s a money maker ... the government pays them to dump the product and / or subsidizes them and cha ching.
I live half a block from the Fresno State AG university fields in north Fresno. I used to ride over on my bicycle and glean a basket full of products after they move through and harvest. They don’t care if you take the left overs. Many times it’s vegetables or species of fruit that you have never seen before ... they developed themselves or grew for productivity experiments. Some pretty exotic stuff happening over there. Yayahahahaya very unusual flavors too yayahahahaya
Most of my friends love burning man too, but this last one they said sucked big time because legions of law enforcement showed up and searched everyone entering. Too heavy handed , bummed them all out yayahahahaya. Still it was magnificent never the less ...gigantic temp instant city. Think it was well over 80,000 people , probably much more.
I watched the bi-centennial celebration from atop the Marin headlands.It was also my favorite make out point after I got my drivers license. Fond memories of teen
Sex on the ice plant. Really comfortable ..G.GPark rocks. The windmill at the beach . Cliff house . I left my heart in SF. Just can’t afford to live there.. So it’s dropped twelve feet . That’s crazy. They will suck all of the water from the table. Then it will go back to desert again. Lack of water will be the problem for man in the near future.. Dig this . In Pima county around Tucson they grow pima cotton . It ain’t Giza cotton but it’s pretty high quality .. It’s grown solely on Colorado River water run into the desert by canal ..It take 800 gallons of water to make cotton for one t shirt. It’s all flood irrigation out in the parched desert .Total waste. It’s all politics and big money. The tamarisk forest that edges the entire Colorado River below Hoover dam takes more water from the river than is delivered to the final destination LA.. Marvin Gay sang 40 years ago about fish full of mercury ....No one cared....As long as corporate America is in charge of farms and water we’re all screwed..look at flint Michigan and all waterways east of the Mississippi are toast . So is the the air and water . This generation will be the last to see Polar bears and all of the big games animals of Africa .. That’s sucks about them major searching people entering burning man ..But it’s easy to hide lsd , shrooms , and ecstasy . That’s what is mostly used. I d love to go again. It was spiritual and fucking amazing to see people enjoying freedoms unseen in our tight ass society . If you get a chance , check it out . You won’t regret it or ever forget it. I’m sure the resourceful burners will find aways around the local heat next year. They ‘ve got million dollar busses and jets flying into that place....... There are No more family farms. . We could feed the world with the food we waste in this country . We are the consumers of the earth. We hope that the kids take the keys and do a better job than the good ol boy network has done. Since the invention of the gas combustion engine we have destroyed the planets ecosystem. I think it’s too late to reverse the damage done. The good news is that the earth will in time regenerate .Man won’t be here. Something else will crawl out of the soup . Hopefully Not to fuck it up again...I erase my long speels the next day . Hu is part of the system.. big brother watches all..haha
Hmm... I started this post just to discuss the article "Penis Fish".
And now it has evolved (or, perhaps devolved) into an endless discussion of the flora and fauna of the great southwest (and every "nook and cranny", thanks Kaliber).
In my youth, my Dad was transferred to Dallas, LA and and I spent 2 years of high school in Denver. So, I do love the Southwest!
This is only my 2nd post and it has been most gratifying! There has been a collective response of laughter and "good humor" (thanks j-o-h-n).
siouxbee19, has perhaps expressed it the best:
I haven't laughed so hard in a very long time! Thank you all for that, much needed, as they say "laughter is the best medicine"!
I made my first post in June and my most memorable supporter was Lulu 700 ( among others), he provided me with knowledge and new found courage to basically deal with the facts.
You are quite an addition to our membership.. If we can occasionally yuk it up, no harm done. No humor in the grave fellas and girls . Today is all we have . I’m the guy always praying for those around me. God my my brothers in arms. Go Rams!
It’s called Lupron fog .. yayahahahaya ... but seriously, certain posts like penis fish lend themselves nicely to all this lighthearted silliness. It’s quite intentional. You can, understandably, sometimes cut the death and despair here with a knife ..... pretty depressing off and on. The silliness really helps a lot. Thanks for penis fish brother ... it got lots of upbeat fun ... great contribution here, you are making a nice contribution that benefits everyone a lot. We’ll be looking forward to having you here among the brothers, brother.
Yayahahahaya yayahahahaya I was gonna say the exact same thing ...great minds must think alike.
It’s that image of Siouxbee with that little white angel on one shoulder saying “ better stop “ and on the other shoulder us 2 with a pitchfork, “ awww go for it ... do it .... go ahead you know you want to “ yayahahahaya ya. We bad ... tisk tisk ..😈
Don’t listen to this old reprobate siouxbee, yayahahahaya
OK, if you twist my arm...I was going to mention that perhaps all those phallic "worms" were washed-up cast-offs from the porn industry, being on California beaches and all.
San Fernando valley and Prague capitals of porn...glad they didn’t have that access to porn when I was a teen. Kids today see it all by the time they’re 12...
I hear that yayahahahaya. I just wish I could look down and see something without using a mirror ( and those velvet padded tweezers, of course ) . At least I can blame it on the adt and get away with it yayahahahaya.
I know, I know ... what’s with that velvet ? ( J Seinfeld ) back when .... when I said ( 60s ) shag carpeting , it was ole J-O-H-N that changed it to velvet. It’s a covering for the tiny tweezer metal tips to keep your adt teeny pennie from becoming a chilly willie.
Tie a string on it.... and tug at lifting it pass your belly....(gently of course)...While you're at it use your Iphone to look at it... and if you wish take a picture for the local Ladies flower society...
that seems pretty tragic to me brother. 2 years with her , before ...... damn ... crap ... I hear you pretty loud and clear buddy.
it seems really rough on a whole lot of guys here ... so much manhood wrapped up in their prowess. Gots to feel some serious compassion for them when that disappears from their lives. It’s diametrically the opposite for me tho.
I don’t want to indite myself here, but I was pretty good looking back in the day ... saw a LOT of back doors and waited on a lot of basement couches Yayahahahaya married 4 times, lots of live in’s.
I’m “ revirginated “ nowadays , for over 25 years or more yayahahahaya. My wife and I have been married for 43 years ... about 10 - 12 years in , the wife found something hiding in her closet ... I’m pretty sure she knew it was in there long before she met me. Strict Catholic parents and upbringing for her, father a deacon in the Church. Whatever ... that left me free to become celibate as part of my Soto Zen priest training ... guess it all worked out in an odd sort of way. I have no memory of the last time I spent the night in a bed with a woman ... even just to sleep .... more than a couple decades and then some. I’m all past that personal prohibition for many years now , it’s unnecessary now on a religious level , but too late for me I guess. Adt + 73 + intense moral values, I’m irrevocably committed to my marriage ... adds up to nothing gonna happen for me. I think about it a lot now and then, sometimes I miss it a lot I guess. I imagine how it’d be again to just lay down beside someone warm and soft and put my arm around her, even just to fall off to sleep. Cuddle on the couch ? Now with death staring me in the face , guess I’ll never know. ( this is so pathetic isn’t it ? )
That’s the only glitcher for me now ... I hope she’ll hold me, kiss me ,hold my hand to say goodbye when it’s time ... maybe grieve for me some, after. I think she will ...I think she loves me strongly in her own “ special “ way ... 43 years and a ( now dead ) daughter together ... we have a lot of shared life experiences together. That she would see me out is somehow pretty important to me , it’s something I really feel like I need ... still as well as I know her, I’m not exactly sure of it .... it feels a little iffy ( tharze some hard core cold rustling somewhere deep in them there bushes ) ... I’m not sure I’d bet money it will happen ... there’s even a nagging little thought , far in the back, that she’ll do the opposite and hammer me when it happens yayahahahaya
Well this is way TMI , too much information isn’t it. Between the both of us , seems like plenty of material for one of those droid tear jerker movies ...... huh ? Yayahahahaya. Sounds like you are “ good with it “ me too really I guess . Life is a funny thing with interesting twists and turns .... it’s mountain roads for both of us ....eh ...brother ?
Wtf? Who are you?? Haha haha Married four times. You’re no rookie.. I’m in the same boat. You hit the shit on the head. I’m new to marriage. Never wanted to after seeing how my mom was to my dad. My wife too is dedicated to me. But some twist in irony keeps her distant from me. She saw first hand all of the gross shit I went thru. My body is toast . Naked I look 80 and I’m 58. Part of sex is you must like yourself . I don’t like my body now. I look like shit and feel like it 50% of the time. I too miss the feminine touch and the wonderful intimacy attached . That’s a hell of a thing to lose. She and I went through some hell . More like , I put her through hell. I thought I was dead . My ego shattered and my
Life over. I was spouting suicide .Yelling and screaming at my passive wife for no good reason at all. I was angry that I fd both of our life’s up. Thought she would be better off without me.. I’m better now. But you should have seen me last week .I was a mess.. She’s starting to recover . Plus she’s finishing menopause and has felt great about herself either. There is Hope for us. We’re deeply in love. We ‘re starting to take in a deep breath after a few years of hell.. She is my angel...I am like you 1000%loyal .. It kills me inside.She is gorgeous body and all. I don’t feel that she has any attraction to me anymore. I don’t blame her either.. I was so hard on her . Although I’ve stopped that selfish behavior , not sure if she can forgive me? She’s built a wall ...I ve broke every relationship that I ever had . I hope this time I can fix what I’ve broken .? I’ll erase my rant after you read it . Not for every bodies ears .. Later
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