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HyperFoods: Machine intelligent mapping of cancer-beating molecules in foods

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NPfisherman

Thanks for posting....good info... fine tuning diet...

Fish

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pjoshea13

Figure 4 was particularly interesting, in that so many favorites that I have written about are there.

-Patrick

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GreenStreet

Thanks very much for posting. Very helpful. Agree about figure 4.

GreenStreet

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DarkEnergy

Sir Puxi,

You are in a rampage, as my wife say, please keep it up!

Cheers, brother...

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cashlessclay

This explains why nutrition/cancer studies are close to worthless. They control for one or

two of the 100+ independent variables, let the rest go wild, and expect meaningful results.

In engineering, we would use something called the "giggle test" before undergoing such a study.

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Kuanyin in reply to cashlessclay

I totally agree with cachlessclay. OK, now we have all of the nice diagrams and charts. What do we do with them? Anything about therapeutic or clinical amounts--nooo. These researchers just throw the stuff onto a wall to see what sticks. As they mention, talk about apples, you need to include peel, but they don't say how much or how many apples. I once tried to figure out how many apples one would have to consume to get the needed ursolic acid--I think I came up with 15 a day. OK, let's say there is a synergistic effect in combining several of these hyperfoods. Again, no evidence is provided. I would bet that if one went into the citations themselves, you wouldn't get much of an answer. I have written letters to many researchers in the past, on behalf of HU, but never received any replies to my questions. As for the hyperfoods, themselves, "Eat to Beat Disease: The New Science of How Your Body Can Heal Itself" by Dr. William W. Li who makes an effort to tie all of this stuff together so that it makes sens. ted.com/talks/william_li/di...

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puxi in reply to Kuanyin

Perhaps you need to understand better the scope of it... We could do the same with nutrition that feed cancer too.... be patient and let a consistent database be constructed (away from those guys that believe that ONLY ONE thing - I mean one food, like the actual stupid traditional medicine is trying since 70 years with A single miraculous drug!!!!) will do the job. This is misleading. Now is time to better understand synergies between things which is VERY complex BUT with a consistent DB, intelligent design of experiments (thing that actual oncologist's and most researchers in this field doen't know what it means) and good programing will open a new perspective on the topic. Let see

.. I'm pretty confident that some amazing results will come with this approach.

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cashlessclay in reply to puxi

"We could do the same with nutrition that feed cancer too" . . . exactly. So, let's say

we have a chart of foods that feed cancer. How much overlap will there be, that is,

foods that both "fight" and "feed" cancer? All listed high GI fruit will overlap. So will potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn, beets and rice.

Until this is sorted out, I'm using the rule that foods that result in "insulin spikes" or "iron spikes" are cancer feeders. Cancer cells have more receptors for both insulin and iron (transferrin receptor, TfR).

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cashlessclay

This study is perhaps the most impressive undertaking I have seen in nutrition/cancer.

Looks like it can be continuously updated, and will only get better. Underwhelmed by

studies coming out of the US since I started working on my PC diet, six years ago. The potential here is impressive indeed.

Does anybody understand why the US effort in nutrition/cancer appears to be stuck at a much lower level? We are still answering "does sugar feed cancer"?

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FSB12 in reply to cashlessclay

Medical doctors in the US don’t like math? Just kidding but not totally as the level of math and statistics taught to US medical students is not high. Biostatisticians who work with physicians are also usually not trained in machine learning.

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Graham49

Excellent. I hope there are further studies to address the limitations of the study that the authors identified.

Happy that grape gets a high score and hope it includes red wine. Less happy that the coffee bean does not seem to be included.

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cashlessclay in reply to Graham49

I would be careful with grapes. A small amount of tart grapes buried within the meal

may work. I haven't tried that. I did try juicing a small amount of grapes and it destroyed

the diet. Coffee (black, no sugar) works fine in my diet, at one mug/day. Likely to work at higher amounts as well.

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CalBear74

Author's comments on metformin and chromium picolinate very relevant given my regimen. Thanks for posting.

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zenbee13

Wow, very interesting read. Can't say I absorbed it all, and I will try to absorb a lot of the whole fruits and veggies!

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puxi

This is your opinion.... And reflects clearly your mindset. Not for me. Very toxic... Bests

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j-o-h-n

Chocolate chip ice cream (two scoops)...

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Tuesday 07/16/2019 11:35 PM DST

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