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Fatostatin / SREBP-1 / Silibinin (from Milk Thistle).

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By now, you will have had your fill of the study conducted by Dr. Pier Paolo Pandolfi [1], but keep reading.

To summarize the mice findings:

i) PCa cells that had lost PTEN and PML turned into fat-producing machines & became metastatic.

ii) PCa cells that had lost PTEN but not PML were indolent.

iii) When mice with indolent cells were fed a high saturated fat Western diet, the PCa became metastatic.

iv) Media message: high-fat diets cause fatal PCa.

However: “You cannot just say, ‘Don’t eat fat,'” Pandolfi said. [New York Times]

In fact, Pandolfi's interest is now in Fatostatin, which prevents the creation of fat.

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It has been known for at least 20 years that aggressive PCa cells manufacture fat. This has nothing to do with diet.

"... increased de novo lipid synthesis ... is an early event of the disease. Up-regulation and increased activity of lipogenic enzymes (including fatty acid synthase and choline kinase) occurs throughout PCa carcinogenesis and correlates with worse prognosis and poor survival." [2]

Note: Fatty Acid Synthase [FAS] is an enzyme (encoded by the FASN gene) that is used in the synthesis of fatty acids (lipids).

"Overexpression of FASN is an early event in PCa pathogenesis, associated with PCa progression and metastases to the bone. Elevated expression of FASN has been linked with poor prognosis and reduced disease-free survival in PCa" [2]

"The major transcriptional regulator of the lipogenic enzymes ... is the sterol response element binding protein-1 (SREBP-1). Expression of SREBP-1 can be stimulated by androgens and epidermal growth factor (EGF) in PCa, and in turn, expression of the androgen receptor is regulated by SREBP-1, creating a positive feedback loop for the expression of lipogenic enzymes. Moreover, overexpression of SREBP-1 is sufficient to increase tumorigenicity and invasion of PCa." [2]

This is old news. i.e. the generally accepted view is that aggressive PCa must make the lipids required for proliferation. We could interfere with that by targeting FASN or SREBP-1. Fatostatin inhibits SREBP-1.

[3] (2011) "Inhibition of SREBP1 sensitizes cells to death ligands"

[4] (2014) "Fatostatin Displays High Anti-Tumor Activity in Prostate Cancer by Blocking SREBP-Regulated Metabolic Pathways and Androgen Receptor Signaling"

[5] (2014) "Silibinin inhibits aberrant lipid metabolism, proliferation and emergence of androgen-independence in prostate cancer cells via primarily targeting the sterol response element binding protein 1"

"The importance of lipids in cancer progression was established after several studies showing that normal cells ... meet their requirement of lipids through uptake of free fatty acids from the diet; however, in case of cancer cells, more than 90% of their elevated lipid needs, are fulfilled by de novo lipogenesis."

That puts dietary fat in perspective.

"... the expression of master transcriptional regulator of lipid synthesis enzymes, sterol regulatory element binding protein 1 (SREBP1), is strongly correlated with Gleason grade. SREBP1 overexpression alone is sufficient to increase tumorigenicity and invasiveness of PCA cells, while its inhibition decreases de novo fatty acid synthesis and causes PCA growth inhibition and apoptosis induction."

"Results from present study showed that silibinin effectively decreases SREBP1 expression through AMPK activation in PCA cells, and that silibinin-mediated SREBP1 inhibition is critical for its anti-cancer efficacy against PCA."

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Milk Thistle has been used for centuries for liver health. The literature can be confusing, since there are a number of active components. The better products are standardized - usually to 80% silymarin, where silibinin is the primary fraction. Silibinin itself is made up of silybin A and silybin B.

-Patrick

[1] iol.co.za/lifestyle/health/...

[2] ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

[3] ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

[4] ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

[5] ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

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snoraste

Patrick,

if the goal is to activate AMP-K, why not use something like Swanson's AMP-K simulator? Or are they the same?

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pjoshea13 in reply tosnoraste

Metformin is the AMP-K activator of choice, of course.

But you ask a great question - would merely activating AMP-K shut down the fat machine?

I can't answer that. -Patrick

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snoraste in reply topjoshea13

I'm getting a lot of push back on Metformin from my MO and GP. The main concern is its potentially adverse interaction with Zytiga/Lupron. Do you happen to know of any studies?

On the positive front, I managed to get 40mg Lipitor prescription, planning on easing into the full dosage over the next 3 months.

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pjoshea13 in reply tosnoraste

I'm not aware of any studies or potential problems.

I would think that there are enough diabetic Metformin users on Lupron for problems to have been documented.

-Patrick

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Captain_Dave in reply topjoshea13

There are a lot of natural AMP-K activators. Here is a decent article:

selfhacked.com/blog/natural...

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BigRich in reply toCaptain_Dave

Thank you Captain Dave for the link.

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Roland632017 in reply toCaptain_Dave

Hi Captain_Dave

I like to point out one of your previous argument about how some of us behave.

I like to check you out.

There is nothing at all that we know about you.

We are a caring lot and hope to be able to share our personal opinions as well as out current predicament.

I sincerely hope you could participate graciously.

Thanks for your attention and no offence intended.

Roland

P/S I cannot help out ( agree/disagree) as I don't what's wrong with you and hope you can understand.

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Astonishingly fine analysis. I could never have understood this without Patrick cutting through the verbal scientific thickets for us. Not just a pathfinder, a pathmaker!

OK, as usual I'm confused. Is their a supplement out there that does most everything that helps whack the the fat factory? Link(s) maybe, thanks.

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I have heard that amla berries can help with cholesterol. They are hard to find where we live so I just use the powder. I think the berries are better if you can get them. nutritionfacts.org/video/am... It is inexpensive and easy to throw in your morning smoothie.

Niacin - I have also read that Niacin can reduce cholesterol but this is one we have not implemented.(Large doses) I need to research it more.

CoQ10 - Not yet researched

Flax Seeds - Flax helps to increase your good cholesterol.. lots of other reasons to eat these... I add 3 tablespoons ground to my husbands smoothie. We buy Bob's Red Mill in bulk.. as I have 4 sons whose smoothies get a similar treatment.

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Apart from Milk Thistle? I can't find anything else.

I have never questioned the bioavailability of standardized products, but someone has pointed out to me that it might be an issue.

Life Extension claims they have solved that problem. The write-up doesn't mention PCa lipogenesis, of course:

lifeextension.com/Magazine/...

-Patrick

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