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I have been on 75mcg for about 9 years. Bloods not tested for 2 years. Have recently been feeling clammy weak, low blood pressure and now have mouth ulcers, swollen lips and tongue and struggling to eat. Could this mean my levels need checking?

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greygoose

Certainly sounds like it. 75 mcg is only a tiny dose, not much more than a starter dose. Your bloods should have been checked six weeks after you started it, and your dose increased to 100 mcg. Your doctor is being negligent. I know there are difficulties at the moment, with COVID and one thing and another, but that doesn't mean that hypo patients should be left to suffer. :)

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Marz

Do you have TSH FT4 FT3 tested or just the TSH ? Do you have Hashimotos ?

Very important to test B12 - FOLATE - FERRITIN - VITD. Your symptoms could be LOW B12 as well as poor thyroid function.

Are you supplementing ? On any other medications ?

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75mcg is only one step up from starter dose

What were thyroid and vitamin results 2 years ago

Do you have autoimmune thyroid disease also called Hashimoto’s diagnosed by high thyroid antibodies

What vitamin supplements are you currently taking

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 tested

plus both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested if not tested at diagnosis

Very important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 at least once year minimum

Low vitamin levels are extremely common, especially with autoimmune thyroid disease (Hashimoto’s or Ord’s thyroiditis) or if left on too low a dose levothyroxine

Autoimmune thyroid disease with goitre is Hashimoto’s

Autoimmune thyroid disease without goitre is Ord’s thyroiditis. Both are autoimmune and generally called Hashimoto’s.

Recommended on here that all thyroid blood tests should ideally be done as early as possible in morning and before eating or drinking anything other than water and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

List of private testing options

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Medichecks Thyroid plus antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes antibodies, cortisol and vitamins by DIY fingerprick test

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

Come back with new post once you get results

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Me2022 in reply to SlowDragon

I paid for a private test 2 years ago. At that time I wasn't asking Vit D and B12 supplements. Haven't taken B12 for over a year. My vitamin D and B12 levels were maximum levels. Ferritin 56.2, foliate 28.9, TSH 2.88, FT4 17.7, FT3 3.47, TPOAb 58, T4 80.5, TgAB 78.6 .

Going to ask GP for bloods but think they only do TSH and T4 plus will ask for FBC. (If I have problems I think I'll access a private test again.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Me2022

TSH 2.88,

FT4 17.7

FT3 3.47,

TPOAb 58,

T4 80.5,

TgAB 78.6 .

Obviously these results are far too long ago …but they showed EXTREMELY Low Ft3

ALWAYS Test as early as possible in morning before eating or drinking anything other than water and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

TSH too high

What’s the range on Ft4, Ft3 and TPO antibodies

Assuming

FT4 17.7 (12-22)

FT3 3.47, (3.1-6.8)

TPOAb 58, <34

Ft4 was 57% through range

Ft3 only 18% through range

Assuming test was done as early as possible in morning before eating or drinking anything other than water and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

Most people when adequately treated will have Ft4 at least 60-70% through range and Ft3 at least 50% through range

So inadequate dose levothyroxine and very poor conversion of Ft4 to Ft3

High TPO antibodies confirms autoimmune thyroid disease also called Hashimoto’s

Have you had coeliac blood test done

Are you currently on strictly gluten free diet

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SlowDragonAdministrator

How much do you weigh in kilo

guidelines on dose levothyroxine by weight

Even if we frequently don’t start on full replacement dose, most people need to increase levothyroxine dose slowly upwards in 25mcg steps (retesting 6-8 weeks after each increase) until eventually on, or near full replacement dose

NICE guidelines on full replacement dose

nice.org.uk/guidance/ng145/...

1.3.6

Consider starting levothyroxine at a dosage of 1.6 micrograms per kilogram of body weight per day (rounded to the nearest 25 micrograms) for adults under 65 with primary hypothyroidism and no history of cardiovascular disease.

Also here

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

gp-update.co.uk/Latest-Upda...

Traditionally we have tended to start patients on a low dose of levothyroxine and titrate it up over a period of months. RCT evidence suggests that for the majority of patients this is not necessary and may waste resources.

For patients aged >60y or with ischaemic heart disease, start levothyroxine at 25–50μg daily and titrate up every 3 to 6 weeks as tolerated.

For ALL other patients start at full replacement dose. For most this will equate to 1.6 μg/kg/day (approximately 100μg for a 60kg woman and 125μg for a 75kg man).

If you are starting treatment for subclinical hypothyroidism, this article advises starting at a dose close to the full treatment dose on the basis that it is difficult to assess symptom response unless a therapeutic dose has been trialled.

BMJ also clear on dose required

bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m41

Do you always get same brand levothyroxine at each prescription

Which brand?

Come back with new post once you get new test results from GP

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BlueKeith

I know it's an old post but just seen it. I've been on 75mcg of levothyroxine for a year now and have tests every 6 months. I keep expecting my dosage to be upped but they keep saying all's good. To be fair I'm feeling miles better than I was and my main symptom was severe brain fog which has almost gone but have odd days. Was just wondering did your doctor go into details as to why he was keeping you on 75mcg. Also do you suffer from brain fog?

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Me2022

I eventually got bloods done the second time I went to GP in April. When I rang to ask for results I was told everything was OK, so asked for a copy of results. 15 minutes later I got a call from GP to say TSH was raised and had meds increased to 100mcg. After 2 months finally feeling less fatigued and brain less foggy. TSH is now below 1. I now ask for copies of blood results each time. My ferrying is still quite low at 42 so starting to supplement iron.

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