Autoimmune disease (a/i) and risk for cardiovascular disease (CVD)

[PMRpro]

The other week someone posted about a study saying pred increases the risk of CVD. Here is one posted on LupusUK that related CVD and autoimmune disease. The results look very similar. So was it the pred or the underlying disease?

healthunlocked.com/lupusuk/...

[jinasc]

"So was it the pred or the underlying disease?

🤑💰💷 ?

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to jinasc]

Think the authors of the 2 papers need to get together ...

[Blossom20 in reply to PMRpro]

Thanks for this - interesting. Under the article is a reference to a study specifically about pmr and gca and the conclusion was that there is no evidence of Cv disease caused by these! So that's good to know at least!

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to Blossom20]

Maybe we need to get copies of them all to give to doctors because I think this current fad for getting patients off pred even faster is due to the one showing even low doses of pred cause CVD.

I don;t imagine for the moment they have controls of untreated PMR and GCA patients, just whether patients on pred have more CVD than patients who didn't have PMR/GCA, And inadequately managed inflammation in the arteries will have its own consequences.

[Ronzy in reply to PMRpro]

That’s all we need

[Blossom20 in reply to Blossom20]

But of course if it's not caused by the Pmr it's likely that it's caused by the Pred...

[Blossom20 in reply to Blossom20]

Actually I don't see how they can come up with these conclusions...all the patients with Pmr or Lupus or RA will be on medication, so how can they tell what is causing the Cvd?

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to Blossom20]

My point exactly ...

[Ronzy in reply to Blossom20]

If wife sees that she would freak out.

[Ronzy in reply to Blossom20]

😵‍💫🌹🌹🍀🍀

[piglette]

What about this one? Steroids may cause depression as they ‘change shape of brain’.

digitaleditions.telegraph.c...

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to piglette]

Like the reference about "tiredness"!!!!!

[piglette in reply to PMRpro]

I think I am living in a dream, everything becomes madder and madder. I wonder what shape my brain is now, Mickey Mouse shaped?

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to piglette]

Didn't think about a dream - but I was just looking at it all this morning and thinking WTF ..........

[piglette in reply to PMRpro]

Probably a good thought!

[Ronzy in reply to piglette]

Join the club 😵‍💫😵‍💫

[Wallysma in reply to piglette]

Mine is shaped like Goofy.

[Nextoneplease in reply to piglette]

Well, that explains it then…..!!! 🤷‍♀️