“If nothing is going well, call your grandmother.... - PMRGCAuk

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“If nothing is going well, call your grandmother.” ~ Italian Proverb

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Today I came to the heartbreaking realisation that I would not be capable of taking care of my 1 year old Grandson for 2 1/2 days (while Mummy and Daddy went to Dublin) as I agreed to do, 6 months ago.

It was one of the most devastating, admissions I've ever made.

I can barley get to Waitrose and carry back, two small bags of groceries! If I change the sheets I have to sit and rest for at least an hour. Forget cleaning the bathroom! If I do that, I'm done for the day.

How in the hell am I going to carry around, dress, feed, entertain, play with, pick up, take out, calm down, and ensure the absolute safety of a non-walking, one year old for 10-12 hours a day?

My daughter was absolutely in agreement with the decision and has a back-up, so the plans are not ruined; but that didn't stop me from crying most of the morning.

To have to admit to yourself (and your youngest child) that you, "SUPERMOM" believe yourself incapable of this small (what should be most pleasurable) task was depressing at best.

PMR & GCA have changed my life... and not in a good way.

I keep looking for the "silver lining" (as I'm sure there is one) and I occasionally catch glimpses of that lining, in the lessons I'm learning and positive lifestyle changes I've been forced to make, but bloody hell, if you cant take care of your grandchild.... what's the point?

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HeronNS profile image
HeronNS

I know you are disappointed. But think of those of us who have no grandchildren to care for, or not....

in reply to HeronNS

Good point!!!!

See, Silver Lining!

Thank you.

PMRpro profile image
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You have to have a cloud to get that silver lining.

And while it isn't happening this time - it WILL. Just not yet.

Rose54 profile image
Rose54

Be patient

Golden rules for those with PMR/GCA

Its ok to say no

I can watch Afternoon TV without feeling guilty

I will love myself more

I will designate more

I will sleep when i need to

Frozen meals are ok

Doesn't matter if house is dusty

Safe your energy for those little things that mean a lot

It does get better and i think that many of us benefit from this illness as we learn to make time for ourselves and enjoy the little things in life ,

When i look after my Grandson i have to travel to Norfolk and two weeks ago

all he wanted to do was watch Frozen and sing let it go .

He makes me do all the actions and dance that's fine

Its the spinning round while you do it i cant stand as i get so dizzy

i know i am totally mad but have just booked to take him to Disney Land Paris in Nov

god knows how i am going to manage all day .

But I will do 5 hours then rest may be me in pushchair by end of day

Think Positive

in reply to Rose54

WOW! You are mad!!!!! ...but I so admire the optimism! November is along time away! Fingers crossed

PS - I love the Golden Rules for those with PMR/GCA

PMRpro profile image
PMRproAmbassador in reply to Rose54

"I can watch Afternoon TV without feeling guilty" - guilt isn't the word that comes to mind...

Hmmm - Disney Paris in November doesn't appeal. Take your wellies and souwester...

Rose54 profile image
Rose54 in reply to PMRpro

maybe boring afternoon TV but i don't need to concentrate

Disney Paris totality agree doesn't appeal to me but sort of promised i would go .Boots ,base layers hat, scarf sounds like I'm having a winter sports holiday

PMRpro profile image
PMRproAmbassador in reply to Rose54

I was once told that the area where Eurodisney is located is one of the wettest places in France! My daughter wanted to go for a long weekend - until she got the quote...

Rose54 profile image
Rose54 in reply to PMRpro

Everyone i have spoken to tells me wet and cold

I have added waterproofs to my list

Was expensive but it will be a lovely experience he will be three when we go.

i have travel insurance so taking no chances

PMRpro profile image
PMRproAmbassador in reply to Rose54

And with a bit of luck - you will get there and it will be lovely autumn weather, frosty perhaps but dry...

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micheleinnaples

Quit being so hard on yourself! You are fortunate to have such an empathetic and intelligent daughter who is fully aware of your condition and your limitations in this chapter of your life. Your grandson will never know and besides, you can make it up when your feeling energized! I'm optimistic...the next chapter will be worth the wait and in the meantime, perhaps you can spend shorter periods of time with him? I understand...living with this condition is like walking on a "tightrope." You wake up in the morning hoping and praying that there is little wind. Some days there is a very slight breeze and other days it's like fighting hurricane force winds. We somehow manage to weed our way through all of our setbacks, in part, due to this forum...that my friend, is a silver lining.

in reply to micheleinnaples

Thanks micheleinnaples, I love the tightrope/wind analogy!

I remember that feeling with my niecesabout 15years ago I have started having them for a week or two in the summer hols. I have used to take them swimming, to the park, the movies in one day. Then 5 years in I was dx with fibromyalgia. I have still had them but imposed one big thing...movies swim or visit magna or museum or whatever. I have was so exhausted even with those limitations. I have was sitting in the bath crying...the youngest was about 11 by then. She came in and asked if they had upset me and I have said no I have an crying because I have an not sure I have can do this again. I have had them the following year but then had to just do 2 days. I hadn't expected them to come in teenage years anyway. Who want to spend time with old auntie!

You will feel up to it again. And as they get older at that young age they get easier. It's sad but this condition will be controlled, you will feel better and get back up to a level you are happy with. You can see them for shorter periods and have cuddles. As someone else said you are lucky that your daughter understands. Take some virtual hugs for the moment. 💪🎢

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Poopadoop, You speak the truth. I am open an accepting virtual hugs... Thank you.

SheffieldJane profile image
SheffieldJane

I can empathise with your pain about this. I took care of Theo when his mum went back to work a couple of days a week, I loved it and I love him, now aged 3 and living in Australia. Thanks to the crash course in child care that I gave to uncle and Grandad ( who has the flexibility to work from home) and uncle who was hmmm between jobs, we muddled through. The upshot was an unusually close and intimate relationship between the 4 of us. A lot of the heavy lifting and playing was done by them. I still collapsed when Theo went home. The hardest part was his parents hanging around for an extra hour de- stressing and off loading at home time. It was the happiest time I’ve had in years - we all got loads from it. I would really rest to save up the energy for this and many’s the time I thought the night before “ I just can’t do this” and wondered whether to ring my daughter. I didn’t.

I had him while his brother was brought by C section 6 weeks early and all the times his parents were at the hospital with a fragile prem baby full of tubes. I don’t know why I’m telling you all this except it nearly killed me, and all because I couldn’t say no. A. because I was so in love with him and B. because of all the reasons you are in pain now.

We have a disease that is finite thank God and we will get better. Sometimes we can get creative so that we can do the joyous things.

Looking after a one year old baby boy who’s missing his mum for 2 and a half days is not small. It’s massive and you took the mature, self caring decision, to say no, at the moment I don’t have the strength.

Every day in every way you are getting better.

in reply to SheffieldJane

Sheffieldjane, Thank you... I know in my heart of hearts you are right (that I was right) but... (and here it is again) my EGO and fragile sense of self worth, is bruised and battered.

Oh no, Poor Poor Pitiful Polly has returned!

SheffieldJane profile image
SheffieldJane

I know.....x

TooSore profile image
TooSore

You'll feel better if you plan a visit to see him at his house where you can sit and watch him play or join in as you feel up to it. One fun thing you can do now at your leisure - record yourself reading a book and send it to him along with the book.

in reply to TooSore

Love the audio book idea!!!!! Cheers for that!

RheaV profile image
RheaV in reply to

I did an audio book for my first grandson when he was about 15 months old. I sent the book as well. I filled the tape with children's songs that I'd copied from another CD. He loved it. He really thought Grandma was on the radio, and when he heard the songs, he was convinced Grandma was singing! :-)

in reply to RheaV

Hahahahahaha. Love it!

GOOD_GRIEF profile image
GOOD_GRIEF

Oh, my dear girl. I'm sorry.

Here's the point.

We get better.

If we learn to care for ourselves at least a fraction as well as we have cared for others.

If we learn to let others give us what we need, and learn to accept gracefully and gratefully what others have been wanting and needing to give us.

If we have the courage to be vulnerable, and see that as the part of the great beauty of being human instead of superhuman.

If we learn to appreciate the quiet and the stillness to nuture our resources and "polish our spoons".

If we learn to gentle, rather than wrestle, "The Gorilla".

We get better.

And we get better faster with the love and help and support of others.

And having learned all this, we'll be able to teach it - to our family and to our friends - and hopefully they can learn it without enduring the chysalis of what ails us.

That's the point.

in reply to GOOD_GRIEF

Good grief, GOOD_GRIEF... that was profound!!!! Beautiful!!!!

That really resonated with me... thank you!

Insight329 profile image
Insight329 in reply to GOOD_GRIEF

Totally agree with Mamici ! That was profound! I think I’m going to make a copy of this and stick it on my refrigerator or bathroom mirror so that I can be reminded often. I thank you, too.

PMRpro profile image
PMRproAmbassador in reply to GOOD_GRIEF

GG - put this up as a separate post with a clear title.

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fren in reply to GOOD_GRIEF

wow, nail on head.....

I'm with Insight329, captured, printed, framed and on my desk, hope that is ok with you?

thanks - fren.

Hollyseden profile image
Hollyseden

Oh poor you. Be grateful that your daughter understands. Be kind to yourself and that includes not overdoing things. I only have PMR and now thanks to the wonder of Pred that is mostly controlled. Other aches I blame on my age.i look after my 3 year old grand daughter half the week and she is now at nursery in the afternoons. That's my nap/recovery time 😊 Lucky that my husband is around but he "doesn't play the games properly granny"but he does help a bit.

The time will come when you will feel more able to cope with the demands of a little being but for now you must be your main priority. I gave myself the nickname 'Granny canni' when I was at my worst, I still remember the pain of lifting a wee teeny onto the toilet, she's light as a feather but felt like a concrete block pre Pred.

Don't beat yourself up about this. One day it will be a distant memory. Big hugs

in reply to Hollyseden

You are (of course) right.. 100% right. "I" must be my priority.

Insight329 profile image
Insight329

Mamici, I know you have to be terribly disappointed in not being able to help your daughter and spend time with your grandson. Another blow PMRGCA delivered. But know that it’s just one blow. You will win this fight. It may take many rounds, but you will win. You will help your children with their children; just not this time.

Lately, I’ve been reflective of my journey through Clinical Depression in the 1990s. I couldn’t work for a year, my marriage was falling apart because of it and I was in a tarpit of despair. I told my psychiatrist that he couldn’t fix me as I was the sickest patient he would ever have. It was terribly challenging and yet I came through to the other side. Oddly enough, I’m thankful for that experience. I became a much better person because of it. And it appears that, if I’m lucky, I’ll learn to be an even better person by going through this. Heaven knows, I’m in wonderful company during the journey.

And so are you. Listen and really take heart to their advice and welcome their comfort. For the above responses held a lot of wisdom and caring for you.

And now I’m going to go see if I can dig out my copy of The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying. It helped me through those dark days of depression and I’m curious to see what ‘that Joy’ thought was important to highlight. Laughing.. I hope I didn’t highlight just the words ‘and’ and ‘the’. I might have to get a different color highlighter for this journey.

Take care!.

in reply to Insight329

Thank you Insight329, I absolutely treasure your (and EVERYONE on this site's) response(s) to my "rants" and "wonderings." I have found immense comfort and wisdom in the words that you all so freely share... I cant imagine how dark and scary the past two months would have been, for me, without all of YOU!

How I will ever repay you al is the question?

Hmmmm? I may be feeling the stirrings of a "rant," about the love, kindness, compassion and empathy we receive from total, STRANGERS, when we least expect it!

Insight329 profile image
Insight329 in reply to

Repay? Help pick us up when we are down. Share yourself; share your writing. Be present.

I think a rant about compassion sounds lovely and I look forward to reading it when you feel compelled to write it. :)

in reply to Insight329

: ) Wow, that was the nicest compliment I have ever been given! If my "rants" help pick people up when they are down... TOTALLY COOL! Thank you!!!

The "rant," about the love, kindness, compassion and empathy is bubbling...

Watch Withis space.

JulianJ profile image
JulianJ

I know it's a huge disappointment, but you made the right call and your daughter understands. SO much better to look at what you can and can't do than to try something and find you can't but have to keep going. You should feel good that you could see looking after a little 'un is a step to far for you.

On the plus side, you can look forward to time with your daughter and grandson, you can have all the play time you want and she can have all the tidying up ;)

I like it!

The time when I get ALL the playtime, hugs, cuddles, and love... and she gets ALL the tidying up! : )

Content1 profile image
Content1

You are still her supermum and always will be. The tables may have turned for a while, but as my lovely mum used to say, This too will pass. Be kind to yourself and remember that the sun always rises again. Bless you.

in reply to Content1

It does indeed!

5lupins profile image
5lupins

Morning mamici1,. Reading all the lovely posts you have received to help you through this difficult time is helping me to not feel too bad at having to accept my children's help while John is in hospital. Take care as this can be a rocky road at times. x

in reply to 5lupins

Yes, people are amazing, wonderful and most enlightening aren't they? Sounds like you have a lot on your plate! I hope, John is out of hospital soon and your lives get back to "normal." Hahahaha, whatever that is!

Chrob profile image
Chrob

Lots of love and understanding here and it’s so true that it will pass . My first thought on reading this last night was ,I’ll go help out but in the morning light , I would be a frightening stranger to your grandson . Please keep ranting. Carol

in reply to Chrob

You are too funny and TOO KIND! What a lovely thought!

I think even I would be a frightening stranger to my grandson.

Gaijin profile image
Gaijin

The age of your grandson is the most physically challenging stage..he'll grow and you'll be able to cope just fine.

I admire your ability to say "no".. I would have said "yes" and then suffered the consequences. Good thing 7 of my 9 grandchildren live abroad or I'd be dead.

in reply to Gaijin

I'm actually quite surprised at my ability to come to this realisation and to actually say, "No." That's not like me at all!!!

I must attribute my decision to all of the genuine, heartfelt, experienced wisdom bestowed on me here, on this site!

People have been so forthcoming, honest and generous with their own experiences, that I had to face the facts and realise that I was just kidding myself if I thought I could do it!

Gaijin profile image
Gaijin in reply to

Well here you go... More silver lining..

Even my English has improved by reading all the good writing on here..

in reply to Gaijin

WOW! Cool

Rugger profile image
Rugger

People have said far more eloquently than I can, that you've made the right decision - selfless - not selfish.

Just put groceries to the weight of your little one into the 2 carrier bags and pick them up many times over the next 2 or 3 days - then you'll realise you were right.

Hope you get to see him soon for those cuddles, rather than the 'stress' of caring for him.

x

in reply to Rugger

I know right!!!! He must weight like 18-20 pounds... I cant imagine carrying him around all day, on my hip, all crunched over! And lifting him, up and down and up and down. Who was I kidding?

PMRpro profile image
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I looked after my grandson at that age so mummy could do something - doubt it was work - and after an hour and a half I was on my knees. His mother said the same - she struggled at the age of 22!

That was long before I got PMR, he's 16 now. You have to remember that even without being ill we are a LOT older than we were when our children were small and their mothers are now. And it DOES make a difference.

Hindags profile image
Hindags

I went through smtg similar, having to tell a niece that I didn’t have the stamina to host her and her two daughters for a visit recently. And am worried about traveling to see my grandson play baseball this summer. I cried at these losses as well.

These are things that life is about for me. I hope that there will still be time and energy after PMR for me, 76 years old, to look forward to these things again.

I hope the same for you too.

in reply to Hindags

Ohhhhh, Hindags, I'm so sorry. Yes, these are the things that make my life richer and fuller, now! ...and the thought of not being able to experience them, makes me very sad.

However perhaps, we, BOTH need to pull ourselves up by the bootstraps and learn to appreciate all of little pleasure that life does offer to us. I find myself being grateful for things now (AGCA = After Giant Cell Arteritis) that I NEVER even noticed before!

There is still time... there is always more time. Right up until that last moment.

Insight329 profile image
Insight329 in reply to

My best friend calls that ‘pulling up her big girl (adult) panties’. “I’m going to pull up my big girl panties and . . . “ It always makes me chuckle.

in reply to Hindags

You have to do that now because if they came and you felt very ill during and after their visit you would definitely not want them to visit again. This way there is 100% chance that when you feel a bit better they can visit and remember they can help you. My younger niece in that branch of the family basically ran around for me on her 21year old legs at Xmas. Usually I get a playful mouthful of banter lol.

Marcy47 profile image
Marcy47

Hi Mamici1,

It will get better, by the time he is running around you will be feeling much stronger, keep telling yourself that and it WILL happen.

I have no grandchildren, my married daughter is 46 and has no wish to be a Mum, the single daughter is 48 this year and would love to be a Mum (works in Childcare), but never met THE MAN. She used to be a Nanny, I told her to get a T-Shirt made with "I'm just the Nanny" on it.

I am 2 and a half yrs into PMR, down to 8mg Pred and feel it is getting easier. It has turned into Piriformis Syndrome so got to work on getting rid of that now. Never a dull moment is there?

Hugs Marcia xx

in reply to Marcy47

Thank you, MarciMay, I am at the beginning of this journey (diagnosed 11/17) and now on 70 mg of Pred! It will get better, I know it will... but I still vacillate between acceptance and denial. : {

Best of luck to you!

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Lanakay

I understand completely. I’m right with you. I think knowing you can’t do things you want to do is about the hardest part. Not feeling well is bad but the way this effects our lives is worse. I don’t plan anything too far ahead these days because I never know how I’m going to feel. I have some good days and for those I am grateful but then there are some really bad days too. I don’t know if it’s the PMR or the prednisone.

Yup... I make my decisions on a daily basis, as I usually have good mornings, but then feel crap in the afternoon. At least I have sussed this out!

The Prednisolone (70mg) side effects are slowly killing me... down to 65 mg tomorrow! : )

Jackoh profile image
Jackoh

Well everyone has said it all. First of all I'm amazed at what sense you write. I'm sure if I was on 60/70 mg of pred I wouldn't be expressing myself half as well as you do! I've had PMR then morphing into GCA for 3 years now. I've had to relinquish looking after one of my grandchildren and now we all just meet up for one morning and go and have a treat for an hour. I can't rush around with my other daughter's 4 boys who are older, so we meet up once a week, my daughter cooks dinner and we watch a film with the boys that they think I'd like! All of these things are not what I would have normally planned. My youngest daughter who has a 10 month old is now 6 months pregnant with twins and I would dearly love to help her ( she lives in central London and I'm in the Midlands) but again I know I've got limitations on what I can do, when and how. It's so hard to accept sometimes,I think, that we can't do what we want/ would normally have done so I think it's being creative about what we can do without losing the contact. I think one of the positive things here is that your daughter totally understands and has a plan B and that secondly that you have had the courage to say you can't do it. I think at first this is very hard but is a humbling experience and helps us also be more understanding of others. I'm sure too that we can be a role model in our weakness: it's teaching our daughters/ sons too not to attempt to be superman/woman (which we're all encouraged to be) but again for them to know their limitations and to be good to themselves so that their health doesn't suffer hopefully in later years.

in reply to Jackoh

Thank you.. thank you ever so much. It's a valid question... I find it hard to string a sentence together when I'm speaking, but when I write I get "possessed."

I am sad you've had to relinquish looking after one of your grandchildren, that must have been hard. However happy to hear you have built a different type of relationship with them that works for YOU!

I love the idea of being a role model even my weakness; it's important for my girls to see I am not "invincible." I am but only mortal and have boundaries and limitations like everyone else.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Melissa

bunnymom profile image
bunnymom

Ah but the point is that you will learn to take of yourself....and after that the grandkids. I have been in the same boat but we can't do what we can't do. (for now)

in reply to bunnymom

Thank for your vote of confidence! We can't do it now, at this particular point time... but we will!

Grants148 profile image
Grants148

I was fortunate ,pre PMR,that l was able to look after my baby grandsons when their mummies worked part time. They are older now but still come round during the school holidays . I am so sorry that you are not able to look after your little grandson at the moment,but hopefully you will eventually feel a lot better and would be able to look after him when he is older and will not need lifting about. I have a great grandson now and sadly would not be able to manage him ,he is just beginning to crawl and climb around , like you l find it hard to do much around the house,l have to pace myself,one of the hardest things is changing the duvet cover. I wish you lots of happy times with the little boy when they bring him to visit you xx

in reply to Grants148

Thank you.. thank you so much for the kind word!

fren profile image
fren

Hi mamici1

I have been following your post since struggling out of bed this morning, and find myself overwhelmed by the wisdom, common sense and compassion expressed by all who have responded.

You are still "SUPERMOM", in fact more so. You have faced up to your current physical condition and taken a sensible course of action. You have reinforced your open, honest and adult relationship with your daughter, and you must have reassured her that you would never put your little Grandson at risk through unrealistic expectations of your own capabilities.

I'll bet your daughter is relieved, she was probably worrying too. Now could be the time to share more clearly with her the effects on you of GCA / PMR, and even show her this site. Together you may find different ways to support her during your temporary limitations.

The 'point' is that you are still Grandmother and litle one will need you for much more than physical care over many years to come.

Sending you the best wishes and bundles of positive vibes.

in reply to fren

Okay... that was lovely and for some silly reason... it made me cry. I think it was the, "...you have reinforced your open, honest and adult relationship with your daughter," but I'm not sure why that made me melancholy?

Stupid Prednisolone!

And you're right, I kept thinking what if I collapsed, fainted or had seizure or something! I'd NEVER had forgiven myself.

Sending best wishes and positive vibes right back at ya!

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