shocked to my core

[Frankish]

I usually just read here, I don’t normally post but this article shocked me because it shows just how screwed the health system is

b12info.com/who-is-dr-kilme...

[OldmanD]

The GP's dont want to know, dont want to hear. . . . . I presume you are in NHS land. . . . . I left it. . . . . Glad I did or I may not even be around today. . . . . . Hadnt a clue what was wrong with me. . . . . Pile on the antidepressants and inhalers followed by loads of anything that they felt they could prescribe. . . . . .

[wedgewood in reply to OldmanD]

How right you are .

[Wheat]

thank you for this article. (s.i. and taking TMG to lower homocysteine).

[Narwhal10 in reply to Wheat]

Wheat sorry I’m being stupid - what is TMG please ?

[Wheat in reply to Narwhal10]

Sorry my fault shouldn't have used initials, its Trimethylglycine aka Betaine Anhydrous an amino acid to reduce homocysteine. 🌺

[Narwhal10 in reply to Wheat]

Thank you - every day is a school day. 😘

[Wheat in reply to Narwhal10]

Gosh yes, every day I learn something new. I shall be so glad to improve enough to remember details rather than the general gist 😵‍💫🙂

[Narwhal10]

Thanks Frankish,

I did see it. It is sad but not surprising because it has been the case throughout history. The people with the most wealth, the most social status, what makes the most profit. Nowadays, it is who has got the better advertising and Public Relations Manager.

Yes, it is excellent science but it does not fit in with the current line of thinking. If all people have to do is concentrate on their diet, take supplements and injections. Then we won’t have enough sick people, we won’t be able to prescribe all these drugs. We need that Revenue to keep us afloat.

Quick, we better shut them up, let us cut off their Research money, ignore them, hope they go away. Let us make life really difficult for them, drag their name through mud, discredit them. It is all about keeping control of the masses.

Celiac disease is a fine example - all a person has to do is stop eating gluten, wheat, barley and malt. That is the cure. There is NO tablet or pill for it - so no money for Big Farmer and doctors are NOT interested in it.

A friend of mine had blood tests back that were pre-diabetic. They researched went on a particular diet. A year later, the GP rang back with their most recent blood results and was absolutely amazed. They had anticipated prescribing metformin, as most other patients at the Practice were not interested in their own Health. Leaving it to the fate of the Professional. The GP asked What they had done ? Quite simply they told them I changed my diet. You did not tell me anything. So, I researched quite intensely, maybe you could recommend this Diet to your other patients ? The response was pretty standard, Oh, I don’t know about that.

[Bellabab in reply to Narwhal10]

Exactly and I have done the same and remain OK - free of type two diabetes as shown by annual Hba1c tests:

"Diagnostic Tests

For an HbA1c test to classify as normal, or in the non-diabetic range, the value must be below 5.7 %. Anyone with an HbA1c value of 5.7 % to 6.4 % is considered to be prediabetic, while diabetes can be diagnosed with a HbA1c of 6.5% or higher."

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK5....

I have had to explain this to my GP every single year and they still have me marked down as having "diabetes type two".

[Narwhal10 in reply to Bellabab]

Well done Bellabab,

Well, your Health Records are not accurate, have clarity and are not contemporaneous (up to date). As people’s Health Conditions change or awaiting for Specialists to order tests. The ‘grey area’ of we do not know yet.

Under GDPR (2018) Article 17 The Right to Erasure you can have the erroneous data removed.

If you have copies/access to [time] and [date] of first HBA1c stating non-diabetic ranges and every one since confirming non-diabetic ranges using the [time] and [date] of each test.

You can cc: the Practice Manager but you write to the CCG/ICG/Trust’s Data Protection Officer. Their role is to protect patients’ data. Further information is available on Information Commissioner Office’s website.

ico.org.uk/for-organisation...

Frankish has posted about Dr Kilmer’s work, can you image if someone had a Stroke and it was not on their Medical Records. 😱😱

[Thrones12]

that is very sad so many people could be helped if only we could sway our doctors but sadly it’s a battle that we as individuals encounter week in and week out , nothing changes despite our efforts,I’d guess the major reason we are all self injecting and stressed out month after month in case our resources dry up on us.. thank you Frankish

[Technoid]

Standard conspiracy theory nonsense. A "genius" kicked to the kerb and silenced by the evil establishment.

"Thirty years ago, Kilmer McCully, M.D., discovered that cholesterol and clogged arteries are not the causes but rather the symptoms of heart disease. "

Total nonsense. He did no such thing. Heart disease is multi-factorial but yes, LDL cholesterol and more broadly, ApoB are causal for heart disease. High homocysteine is not required for atherosclerosis to begin (or advance).

Homocysteine is an independent risk factor for cardiovascular disease, particularly stroke but lowering homocysteine does not seem to have been effective in clinical trials in reducing cardiovascular events except where dietary folate intake is low. This is why Homocysteine is most often considered a marker rather than causal, exactly the opposite of Cully's contention. There is not enough evidence at the moment to conclude with certainty that Homocysteine is causal for cardiovascular disease.

I do believe it is wise to keep homocysteine low but it would be foolish to ignore a high ApoB because your Homocysteine is low.

I have mentioned and recommended TMG before to help reduce Homocysteine and it would especially be useful in early treatment or functional deficiency to help get Homocysteine down faster. Just dont do so while ignoring your ApoB. That would not be wise.

[Bellabab in reply to Technoid]

Whatever may or not be nonsense the use of very strict dieting for a while has been shown to be effective of many people including me. Its thought it may be that this rids the liver of fat thats blocking the passage of insulin from the pancreas. This diet must be supervised.

[Technoid in reply to Bellabab]

Any diet that reduces overall caloric intake sufficiently for that individual can be effective in reducing insulin resistance. And yes, more extreme ones, such as the temporary 800 calorie diet should be supervised for nutritional adequacy.

[Sleepybunny in reply to Technoid]

For others reading this thread, I think ApoB stands for apolipoprotein B.

Link about ApoB test

labtestsonline.org.uk/tests...

[Technoid in reply to Sleepybunny]

Yep, thanks Sleepybunny. Here is a good video that serves as a primer on this stuff

m.youtube.com/watch?v=xjPDA...(Not working as expected?)

[NaturesChild123]

Have been caring for my elderly father who has advanced cardiac disease and does not tolerate statins at all, they make him very ill. None the less, his last doctor tried a different statin , unbeknownst to my father and his family, and my father ended up in the hospital due to the new statin. Shortly thereafter, we met with a new cardiologist who wanted him to try yet another statin and I handed her a recent study that proves that actual risk reduction of the medication that she wanted him to try was a mere 1.5%, which is quite different from the perceived 30% relative risk reduction that the pharmaceutical industry claims - I do not believe that doctor even understood the difference between actual and relative risk reduction as here eyes glazed over while I was explaining this fact. I then handed her a hard copy of the NIH study, which clearly outlined what I was referring to. She never looked at the study, held it by the corner as if I had handed her a dead rat and then handed it back to me after a minute or so.

I told my father that we needed to find a new doctor as this one had no understanding of the risk to benefit ratio, no inclination to learn and my father's risks were far too great to entrust his care to such an ignorant specialist.

[Technoid in reply to NaturesChild123]

Sorry to hear of your father's adverse reaction. The video above covers absolute vs relative risk reduction at 24:08.

[Technoid in reply to Technoid]

Another good one for understanding absolute vs. relative risk:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=vRRD8...(Not working as expected?)

[NaturesChild123 in reply to Technoid]

I have a solid understanding of the difference. It is the doctor (and the entire cardiology group that they work for) who does not and will not even consider the possibility that statins can and do pose serious risks. We have since found a new cardiologist who was willing to go on the record to say that the statins nearly killed my father.

[Technoid in reply to NaturesChild123]

This article from The Atlantic had some interesting details on the possible reason for one of the most serious adverse effects of statins: archive.is/BSdew

[NaturesChild123 in reply to Technoid]

The subject goes far deeper than that one article and the fact that cholesterol is, in fact, a functional hormone is missed in most equations. The widespread reduction of protein carriers is not, in itself, the answer to the perceived "disease" of high cholesterol. I am not certain that it would be appropriate for me to continue this discussion here as this sub is dedicated to PA. I wish you well on your health journey.

[Technoid in reply to NaturesChild123]

Just to clarify, cholesterol is not a hormone but is a building block of several hormones. "High cholesterol" is a bit vague, what matters is ApoB which is the best indicator of risk as explained in-depth in the video about blood lipids above.

[NaturesChild123 in reply to Technoid]

Which is why I used the term "functional hormone". I am done, this is not the place for this discussion.