A Bad Idea

Okay, so I've caved.

I've gone online and ordered myself an e-cig. The plan being to use this for emergency situations only.

What I've learned over the last three weeks is that I do not like the smell of cigarettes, I do not suffer from cravings when working (nor when i'm at home during the week), I don't like the control that smoking can have if you let it, I like my skin since quittig.

However, if it was healthy and did not smell, I would happily smoke away.

I have no idea if I'm going to end up becoming an "e-smoker", or weaning myself off in the future, but I just want to do what works for me.

This weekend has left me wondering when I'm going to fail, and I've decided that I'd like to have a back up, rather than pick up a smelly cigarette.

Maybe in the future I can gain some more faith in myself and stop smoking anything cigarette shaped.

I'm not sure if this change in my path will be more of a risk, but I need some help and my will power is very up and down.

I asked myself earlier if it's better to cave into an e-cig or cave into a real cig. Neither is a great solution for someone who hasn't even held a cigarette for 23 days, but I'm hoping that I might find something that works for me without being detrimental to my health.

I guess I decided that I'm telling you all this because I KNOW I'd have bought myself a pack of cigarettes by now if it wasn't for you this weekend.

Thanks guys :)

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  • Hi, I managed to quit for about 4 months last year using E-cigs. To be honest I get where you are coming from - they don`t smell etc. but I found that they were just as addictive as cigs and I constantly had a headache and a dry mouth using them. Eventually I ended up back on the real ones. Having said that, you have got to do what you feel is best for YOU. You have done SO well so far - why put temptation in your way now? Try writing a list of alternative things to do when you get that crave just to get your mind off it. It may help?

    xxx

  • I guess it's about whatever works for you... An E cig has got to be better than a real cig... I tried quitting with E cigs a few years ago, for me they just reminded me every single day that How much I wanted a real ciggy and how much I wanted to still smoke, but I have friends who managed to quit smoking by using them as a crutch so I guess we are all different and its about what works for us as individuals.. The best of luck to you - you are doing so well.. ;) xx

  • Thanks for the advice.

    It is something I've thought about and the main thing I disliked about smoking (apart from the health risks) is the control it has. I have proven over the last few weeks that I smoked so many cigarettes that I didn't even want!

    My aim is to remember that and to not swap one addiction for another, but I'm just going to see how I get on.

  • Thanks guys.

    I'm going to follow your advice about still fighting the cravings. I've fought so many of them off and I really enjoy not having to go out to smoke when at work etc.

    I don't even know if I'll like how the e-cig will taste! I just hope that it can work for me and doesn't become a replacement with similar detrimental effects.

  • ecigs

    hi

    I couldn't give up without using ecigs. I have friends who gave up using them, don't beat yourself up. One friend was on ecigs for 8 months before finally stopping but they are now a non-smoker for at least a year. At least I am presuming ecig has not got 4000 chemicals in and does not produce tar in your lungs. One step at a time :)

  • Ecig info

    i have tried 7 or 8 different types of ecig and find that 10 motives.com are the best for me. Their staff seem very helpful if you have a query. You don't have to suck hard on them (which gave me earache) and there's a choice of chargers and refils and they last quite a while.

  • Sarah

    Firstly, I did'nt realise that you were so young. If I were to put a call out on the Forum to ask how many of us wished we had quit aged 24 the system would crash. We'd all love to have quit at your age!

    So, please, please don't give up on your quit.

    I know nothing about e Cigs, I quit using patches and the occasional use of the Inhalator which is not unlike a cig. I called it my soother!!

    I personally would'nt advise going down the e.Cig route after being quit for so many weeks, but I think your mind is already made up.

    So, do whatever you feel is right, please don't start smoking again Sarah.

    Take care

    Fi x. (mum of a 26 and 22 yr old)

  • hi

    I couldn't give up without using ecigs. I have friends who gave up using them, don't beat yourself up. One friend was on ecigs for 8 months before finally stopping but they are now a non-smoker for at least a year. At least I am presuming ecig has not got 4000 chemicals in and does not produce tar in your lungs. One step at a time :)

    Thanks for that.

    On the one hand I have done so well and I don't want to enjoy the physical side of smoking. But on the other I just want some help.

    Maybe this will work for me, allowing me to give into the odd crave while still providing me with the positive effects of not smoking (more money, nice skin etc).

    Or maybe I will go back to square one. Hopefully not!

  • Flipping heck you had me worried for a sec there Sarah!!

    Basically I'm in the same place and have done the same thing as you. It *is* thousands of times better than smoking a real cigarette, it has to be and I know that without mine I'd probably be smoking again 'cos I was feeling bloody awful. Didn't say it on here but was this close to ditching my quit, about as close as you last night, and for that the e-cig saved me.

    I would say to make sure you don't use it too much, basically like you said for emergencies only, am trying not to myself although it is easy to use it as a kind of adult dummy which ain't great, have avoided that so far though.

    It might be different for you 'cos you went cold turkey (I think) while I didn't, but if it's a choice between that and caving to fags it's the lesser of 2 evils!!

  • Personally, I wouldn't recommend e-cigs at all. But that's me, and your mileage may vary.

    Might be interesting to keep track of whether your personal definition of "emergency" changes and expands when you have an e-cig available. It sounds a little like, "I'll only take a drink when it's an emergency."

    I used to think not having any cigarettes in the house (before I quit) was an emergency. :)

    Now I know there is no such thing as an emergency that can be ameliorated by a cigarette. None.

    What I also know is that there is no growth that isn't painful. Once you learn to accept and move through the pain, you're home free.

    But again, your mileage may vary, and I'm only speaking of my own experience.

  • I'm probably going to read this back tomorrow and hate myself for saying it, but I'm going to say it anyway:o as it's a real hobby horse for me... but I'll hopefully forgive myself by saying this is just my opinion, and at you must of course go with whatever works for you. But...

    For me, this is absolutely at the core of my beliefs and how I beat my demon. What was (am) I addicted to? Tobacco or Nicotine?

    Draw a parallel with an alcoholic, drinking a bottle of scotch a day. What is the core of the problem, an addiction to scotch or an addiction to alcohol? My opinion is it's an addiction to alcohol. If said alcoholic tried to break his addiction by stopping drinking scotch and substituting gin instead, would that be a success? He's beaten his scotch habit, but is still dependent on alcohol, and is still (very obviously) a mess. One of the problems with nicotine addiction is that 'the mess' is not quite so apparent to the observer, even though you may feel it inside.

    So for a smoker the core of the problem is to beat nicotine addiction. Tobacco happens to be the means of nicotine delivery. Substituting with e-cigs or NRT may be considered a success - the tobacco habit has been beaten but the core addiction has not. True you're not exposing yourself to all the other crap in tobacco smoke, but you've just delayed tackling the root issue - and as long as you're actively feeding a nicotine addiction, the risk of returning to tobacco is huge.

    If you've been clean of nicotine for a significant period then starting any form of nicotine delivery would be a backward step, if you agree that the goal is to beat your nicotine addiction.

    Apologies to all successful NRT users - if it has worked for you in helping break your addiction then that's all that matters.

  • Disagree

    Contrary to your belief that NRT is not a good way to quit - the data does not support the belief that NRT is not an effective way of quitting smoking.

    The data from January quitters shows that NRT & cold turkey have the same success rate. You may say that's the January quitters represented only a small sample, & I would argue that it was a valid sample.

    Every quit in the end is cold turkey - some just take longer to get there.

    Anecdotally - I think that many more women than men prefer NRT as a method of quitting & I think it has something to do with the extra fatty tissue under the skin of women & the subsequent larger absorption & slower release of nicotine.

  • Okay, so I've caved.

    I've gone online and ordered myself an e-cig. The plan being to use this for emergency situations only.

    What I've learned over the last three weeks is that I do not like the smell of cigarettes, I do not suffer from cravings when working (nor when i'm at home during the week), I don't like the control that smoking can have if you let it, I like my skin since quittig.

    However, if it was healthy and did not smell, I would happily smoke away.

    I have no idea if I'm going to end up becoming an "e-smoker", or weaning myself off in the future, but I just want to do what works for me.

    This weekend has left me wondering when I'm going to fail, and I've decided that I'd like to have a back up, rather than pick up a smelly cigarette.

    Maybe in the future I can gain some more faith in myself and stop smoking anything cigarette shaped.

    I'm not sure if this change in my path will be more of a risk, but I need some help and my will power is very up and down.

    I asked myself earlier if it's better to cave into an e-cig or cave into a real cig. Neither is a great solution for someone who hasn't even held a cigarette for 23 days, but I'm hoping that I might find something that works for me without being detrimental to my health.

    I guess I decided that I'm telling you all this because I KNOW I'd have bought myself a pack of cigarettes by now if it wasn't for you this weekend.

    Thanks guys :)

    Hi Sarah Lou,

    Whatever works. Make sure you have an e-cig without nicotine. I have been quit for 9 months, after smoking for 50 years. I used the inhalator and couldn't have done it without it. Problem is you can't get one without nicotine and using it without a cartridge is useless.

    I get really annoyed about people who give advice about e-cigs without trying them and especially about people who seem to think you need to have nicotine with them.

    I tried them a few months into my quit and they kept me going. I no longer find the need for them. They didn't make me want to smoke.

    The first ones I tried had nicotine and then I bought them without. I didn't notice any difference.

    Your quit is YOUR QUIT and do it your way. Good luck

    Una

  • I get really annoyed about people who give advice about e-cigs without trying them and especially about people who seem to think you need to have nicotine with them.

    I tried them a few months into my quit and they kept me going. I no longer find the need for them. They didn't make me want to smoke.

    The first ones I tried had nicotine and then I bought them without. I didn't notice any difference.

    Your quit is YOUR QUIT and do it your way. Good luck

    Una

    I completely agree with you Una.

    Ditto for NRT.

    If you can go completely CT then great, that's fab and all but lots of people can't.

    I *know* that if I hadn't had NRT I'd have started smoking again - probably wouldn't have lasted a day - know that because it happened before, I also know that after the time I'd had, unless I'd bought an e-cig I'd be smoking real ones again.

    It doesn't matter *how* you stop smoking, what matters is that you do and that you stay quit. If that's CT, patches, gum, Champix, e-cig whatever then it's good.

    Thing with the e-cig (and mine does have nicotine in because it's now my NRT) is that you can have 2 or 3 puffs and put it down unlike a fag where you smoke the whole thing because it's there.

    Have had mine for nearly 2 weeks now and it has definitely not made me want to smoke real ones - in fact it's the opposite, I now *know* I won't smoke again.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that you can be too hard on yourself - you can force yourself to do the whole thing CT and if that doesn't work it's all or nothing but NRT in whatever form gives you a safety net, and breathing space while you battle Nic oTine

  • "Bad Idea" totally reads as "Guilty Conscience" as a title, doesn't it? lol.

    First of all, I didn't post on here so that I could justify my decision. It is my decision, as a lot of you have said, and my aim was not to have a flood of replies agreeing with me, so thank you all for your honesty.

    So far I've been totally honest about my experience, and I don't want to hide because a little voice tells me I should be ashamed of not managing alone.

    Max, thank you for being brutally honest about your opinion. I hope you don't lose your faith in me (after all, I'm on Day 24 now :p and haven't given in).

    I started my quit with a daily patch. This itched like crazy and the 14mg of nicotine was too much, resulting in head aches and a nasty nicotine rush every morning! I used the patch for seven days altogether.

    I moved onto gum, simply because I could not find the correct patch with the dose of nicotine I was looking for. I bought 2mg gum and have used one piece in the last week. It tasted foul!

    I was unaware that you can buy e-cigs with no nicotine so, if I find that I use the thing when it arrives, that will be my next step.

    I know a couple of people who have pretty much swapped from smoking cigarettes to smoking e-cigs, basically replacing one addiction for another.

    I know someone who quit around 9 months ago, used an e-cig a couple of times, and still goes back to it now and then.

    I am yet to meet someone who failed altogether with an e-cig, but I'm sure they're out there too.

    My hope is that, like with my gum, I will put my e-cig to one side and the thought of it being there will be enough. I've had the gum on my person (at work and at home) for the last week and used one piece on Friday night when I really fancied one (I think I was a little intrigued to see how it worked, too). I spat it out after ten minutes.

    I'm sat at work now and, even though all my thoughts are on smoking at the moment, I don't want to smell, touch or taste a cigarette.

    I have no desire to smoke.

    The only reason I can think of as to why I had almost a two day long craving this weekend, after not even needing nicotine for 5 days, is that I'm still seeing this as some form of punishment. Why can I manage a whole week at a time without smoking, with hardly a craving, but feel like I'm going to go insane when I spend 24 hours in a place that I relate to having a cigarette? And, being a no smoking household, there wasn't one wiff of cigarettes the whole time I was there!

    So, whilst I try and figure out what is right for me, I am not going to go through a weekend like this one.

    I have no doubt that you can ride through the tough times without any help, but I don't want to. So let's see how it works :)

  • Sorry!

    Flipping heck you had me worried for a sec there Sarah!!

    Basically I'm in the same place and have done the same thing as you. It *is* thousands of times better than smoking a real cigarette, it has to be and I know that without mine I'd probably be smoking again 'cos I was feeling bloody awful. Didn't say it on here but was this close to ditching my quit, about as close as you last night, and for that the e-cig saved me.

    I would say to make sure you don't use it too much, basically like you said for emergencies only, am trying not to myself although it is easy to use it as a kind of adult dummy which ain't great, have avoided that so far though.

    It might be different for you 'cos you went cold turkey (I think) while I didn't, but if it's a choice between that and caving to fags it's the lesser of 2 evils!!

    Apologies Gemma ;)

    I didn't mean to worry you. My thread title was a little dramatic, I realised this morning!

    x

  • Apologies Gemma ;)

    I didn't mean to worry you. My thread title was a little dramatic, I realised this morning!

    x

    Oh no worries!!

    Just thought you'd gone and bought fags or something :eek: Have done some pretty dramatic thread titles too!!

    For what it's worth, I felt guilty about buying the e-cig too :) x

  • .I am just worried about the rise in these things,even adverts allowed on TV,not a fan!

    Don't think they should be plugging them on TV 'cos nicotine is addictive and it's one thing to use one when you're already an addict but wouldn't want them attracting non-smokers.

    They were plugging the things non-stop on the radio in the run up to Christmas too, which was a trigger I didn't need :eek:

  • Sarah Lou

    The overwhelmingly important thing is to stop smoking real fags.:)

    They are absolutely stuffed full of bad things as we know.Your precious and delicate human body does not deserve to have to cope with those every day.

    If an E cig helps you stay off real cigs thats great.:D

    If an E cig is a path to leaving nicotine addiction behind completely then great.I am just worried about the rise in these things,even adverts allowed on TV,not a fan!

    But it's an individual choice. x

    I think that Gemma was right in suggesting that you really have to careful with these things, and not allow them to become your "dummy". I was quite sceptical myself as, medically, health professionals are still trying to work out how harmful e-cigs are. And, like you said Max, they're being advsertised everywhere. I think, eventually, they'll have to start banning ads and maybe even remove them from indoors, because they're already so popular with smokers who want an alternative to smelly cancer sticks.

    I've always said that I'd be happy to be a "social smoker". To not have to depend on cigarettes to get me through my day, but to be able to enjoy it as I would a Friday night drink.

    I've since changed my mind. I don't want to stink and I don't want to spend so much money on something that is killing me. I don't want to suffer so badly when I have a cold, and I don't want to wonder when my next hit will be.

    In a way e-cigs are bad, because it's just replacing your addiction with something similar. But, until I get it stuck in my head that I don't want to smoke anything at all, I am hoping that this will help me out. And, if I found that I just replaced cigs with e-cigs, I would be much happier than I was before!

    I want them to be the thing that keeps me away from the real deal, and hopefully the thing that helps me to move away from smoking altogether.

    :D

  • Oh no worries!!

    Just thought you'd gone and bought fags or something :eek: Have done some pretty dramatic thread titles too!!

    For what it's worth, I felt guilty about buying the e-cig too :) x

    I'm glad I'm not the only one!!

    One of the main things that seems to be mentioned on the internet is that e-cigs could promote smoking, whereas they are supposed to be helpful to those already addicted. I really hope they nip this in the bud before it becomes a promotion for non-smokers.

    x

  • I've always said that I'd be happy to be a "social smoker". To not have to depend on cigarettes to get me through my day, but to be able to enjoy it as I would a Friday night drink.

    I've since changed my mind. I don't want to stink and I don't want to spend so much money on something that is killing me. I don't want to suffer so badly when I have a cold, and I don't want to wonder when my next hit will be.

    That's great 'cos you've really got to want to stop - you're definitely thinking the right way :)

    I'm glad I'm not the only one!!

    One of the main things that seems to be mentioned on the internet is that e-cigs could promote smoking, whereas they are supposed to be helpful to those already addicted. I really hope they nip this in the bud before it becomes a promotion for non-smokers.

    x

    I hope so too - the people I buy from say not to use if you don't smoke already etc, but if they're advertising them as a safe alternative to smoking (and they do 'cos they're not allowed to call them NRT) it's a bit dodgy!!

    Have used mine a few times today, my boss is seriously getting on my wick and it's not even 11 so rather than stress-smoking I'm using that. Other days I hardly touch it :) x

  • We are lucky to have the exotic and beautiful Gemma Lou here with us and logging on so much,as she is not only a successful quitter and living legend but as an E Cig user she can answer with authority on many questions relating to those peculiar devices.:D

    Ooh what do you want to borrow then Max? :p

    Seriously though anything I can do to help I will :)

  • Thank you guys so much :)

    It helps to have a couple of different perspectives and I hope that, with some people using e-cigs and some people quite against them, it will keep me on the straight and narrow and I'll still remember that I DO NOT WANT A CANCER STICK.

    I'm going to try not to feel to guilty about needing the help but also try to remind myself that, so far, I have not even craved most of the time. I want the help for those times that I really don't feel in control (when drinking alcohol, for example). So I'll try to keep that in my head!

    What made you both want to quit then? Any particular reason or just a number of different ones?

    x

  • Thank you guys so much :)

    It helps to have a couple of different perspectives and I hope that, with some people using e-cigs and some people quite against them, it will keep me on the straight and narrow and I'll still remember that I DO NOT WANT A CANCER STICK.

    I'm going to try not to feel to guilty about needing the help but also try to remind myself that, so far, I have not even craved most of the time. I want the help for those times that I really don't feel in control (when drinking alcohol, for example). So I'll try to keep that in my head!

    What made you both want to quit then? Any particular reason or just a number of different ones?

    x

    I'm really glad to have helped :)

    It's weird but it just helps having something in your bag (e-cig, gum or whatever) so that you know if the worst happens you've got that rather than fags to fall back on!!

    Oh you said the gum you had tasted bad, if you don't want to use the e-cig then the Freshfruit and Icy white gums are quite nice, some are really vile though!!

    I had lots of reasons to stop, basically I stopped enjoying it - that was pretty sudden - it was very expensive (I smoked Marlboro lights and they're £8 a pack now :eek: ) and the thing that tipped me over was when I put my ashtray pouches in a brand new bag, opened it and could smell it reeking of old fags. Had always said I'd stop when I was 30, but have done it with time to spare!!

    Why did you stop? x

  • I'm really glad to have helped :)

    It's weird but it just helps having something in your bag (e-cig, gum or whatever) so that you know if the worst happens you've got that rather than fags to fall back on!!

    Oh you said the gum you had tasted bad, if you don't want to use the e-cig then the Freshfruit and Icy white gums are quite nice, some are really vile though!!

    I had lots of reasons to stop, basically I stopped enjoying it - that was pretty sudden - it was very expensive (I smoked Marlboro lights and they're £8 a pack now :eek: ) and the thing that tipped me over was when I put my ashtray pouches in a brand new bag, opened it and could smell it reeking of old fags. Had always said I'd stop when I was 30, but have done it with time to spare!!

    Why did you stop? x

    Thanks for the tip with the gum.

    It really did make a difference having it near me and knowing that help was at hand. I would be very happy if the same thing worked with the e-cig.

    If I had it delivered and never used it, I would certainly not consider it a waste of money!

    Well done with quitting before your planned time! :)

    I also smoked Marlboro Lights, which are sooo expensive!

    I stopped when I had a cold, but I didn't really have a moment when I decided enough was enough.

    I would get so jealous of my boyfriend at times, because he shows such self control with smoking. The only time he struggles to say no is when you place a beer in his hand. He doesn't smoke at work, rarely at home (unless we're having a drink). He's never faced with the question "when can I next smoke?" if he's put in a position where smoking is not allowed, and he never seems to worry about leaving the house without a lighter or his smokes.

    He just seems to accept that he doesn't need to smoke, apart from when socialising and having a drink.

    He just tells himself no. HOW ANNOYING! Lol.

    I started giving up whenever I got poorly, because I would get a bit of a telling off (by said boyfriend) for causing myself more damage smoking when I had a cold/virus. I decided that he made a good argument (why was I letting smoking control me, even when coughing my guts up?!) and so I found that I could, quite happily, go 5 or 6 days without bothering.

    I decided, during this last cold, that I'd already survived 5 days and may as well stop.

    It costs a fortune and I was worried about my future (Would it be harder to give up when older? Would I be able to give up when pregnant?), so I stopped.

    One thing I've found over the last three weeks is that I do not enjoy smoking at work. I am surrounded by non-smokers in my office (something I have been very thankful of recently) and have genuinly found that no craving has brought me anywhere near the edge. I am so surprised at how easy it has been to kick the work fags out.

    My skin is softer and it has been really nice to do simple things (like food shopping, going to a restaurant) without thinking about that next cigarette.

    I hope that this is at least a decent step forward onto kicking the habit,

    but I am definately still feeling the pull, so one day at a time!! :)

  • Think anything that keeps you off the fags is a good thing!!

    I was one of the ones who smoked all through colds and stuff, except once and that was when I quit the last time!! That lasted 18 months-ish, but then I messed it up :mad:

    Remember the looks and comments i got for coughing like mad and smoking - could slap myself now!!

    You've got great reasons to stop, and I'm sure you're going to get there!!

  • It's nice to read how deeply you have thought about all this Sarah Lou (I do like Lou or Louise as a middle name;:) my daughter is called Katy Louise )

    You have give this a load of thought.

    I thought I would smoke forever- Honestly.I went to Doctor in Dec about something else and he said 'still smoking?' yeah..I replied knowing what was coming..so he asked me to see the Non Smoking Nurse (or whatever she was called lol)

    She almost immediately suggested Champix-now I knew several blokes at work who had quit successfully using Champix so I thought 'why not':rolleyes:.

    The rest is history-it worked really well for me,I have never craved badly,I frequently fancy a ciggie maybe a few times a week but it is easy to bat off;and there is a world of difference between 'fancy a fag' and ' need a fag' and I NEVER need a fag.:D

    Thank you Max! Yes, I do like Sarah Louise or Sarah Lou for short!

    To say that it's been on my mind a little over the last few days would be a slight understatement! Lol.

    I really am thinking about it. Because I know that a lot of my thoughts are just that dirty nicotine devil talking and I don't want to get tripped up.

    I really don't like the smell and I genuinly don't want to end up constantly ill and struggling for breath when I'm only in my 40's/50's. I don't want to be controlled by something so insignificant and I like that I CHOOSE not to smoke.

    Over the last year or so I've learned a lot of control over smoking (as I mentioned earlier, one of those times is when I'm poorly), but I really miss it at the times I felt I genuinly enjoyed it (at the pub with booze, for example).

    I am hoping that an e-cig will be my saviour. This is my first ever serious quit and I would like to think that, no matter how much I have to battle, I will eventually win and find a comfortable way to be healthy.

    One thing that I will never be good at is denying myself something that I enjoy (which is why I choose cake and chocolate over a beach bod, ha!). I'm only human, after all.

    And, whilst I know that going cold turkey is the answer in most cases and is much better in the long run, I'm going to try as many routes as I possibly can to be successful.

    I hadn't hear about champix until I started posting on here (please can you give me an insight?), but it sounds as though it's doing a lot of people good!

    I do like that there are more and more options out there to help us and it makes me happier to know that I'll find my route in time.

    Today I am simply focusing on the fact that I have reached Day 24. I must not lose sight of this! :D

    x

  • 70 quit smoking tips

    As always, a decent debate with a spread of opinion. For what it's worth I'm with Egg, good post there.

    Now to my mind NRT is perfectly valid, many people quit successfully using it (my mother quit using gum 25 years ago) and Egg wasn't suggesting otherwise either. But there are two aspects - quitting the habit of smoking (easy enough I'd say), and ridding ourselves of dependence on nicotine (effin' hard). I'm doing both at the same time :eek: but they can be done in steps too, one before the other if that's easier.

    As long as the end game is achieved, which for 99% of us surely has to be to get rid of both of these things? Unless you want to continue to burn foliage and inhale smoke (why?)? Or have your brain crying out for a drug every day of your life (again...why?)? So that means that NRT has to be entered into with a very short term view, and a plan to cut down/cease at some (planned) point in the near future. Or at least that's my view of it.

    Which is why I'm quitting CT, just my preference. Up yours smoking, you're just a plant, no hold over a decent proud human. I'm better than you. Yay! Man wins!! :cool:

    The dependence is the hardest, breaking it and keeping things that way is 99% of the long term quit; he's not called the nico-demon for nothing. And to that end, let's continue to beat him to a pulp. Here's a link to an article published on a site for our Yankee cousins across the pond, which covers at least 90% of what I've either experienced directly through my quit so far, or witnessed here with others. If I'd found it at the start of my quit it would be laminated and nailed to my headboard.

    whyquit.com/pr/072005.html

    Finally, now I've finished laughing at a certain other thread going on containing some very funny usage of our colourful language, SARAH LOU - 24 days? Where have you been??? Pleased to meet you and that's bloomin' marvellous, congratulations and keep it going! :)

  • Pleased to meet you too!

    As always, a decent debate with a spread of opinion. For what it's worth I'm with Egg, good post there.

    Now to my mind NRT is perfectly valid, many people quit successfully using it (my mother quit using gum 25 years ago) and Egg wasn't suggesting otherwise either. But there are two aspects - quitting the habit of smoking (easy enough I'd say), and ridding ourselves of dependence on nicotine (effin' hard). I'm doing both at the same time :eek: but they can be done in steps too, one before the other if that's easier.

    As long as the end game is achieved, which for 99% of us surely has to be to get rid of both of these things? Unless you want to continue to burn foliage and inhale smoke (why?)? Or have your brain crying out for a drug every day of your life (again...why?)? So that means that NRT has to be entered into with a very short term view, and a plan to cut down/cease at some (planned) point in the near future. Or at least that's my view of it.

    Which is why I'm quitting CT, just my preference. Up yours smoking, you're just a plant, no hold over a decent proud human. I'm better than you. Yay! Man wins!! :cool:

    The dependence is the hardest, breaking it and keeping things that way is 99% of the long term quit; he's not called the nico-demon for nothing. And to that end, let's continue to beat him to a pulp. Here's a link to an article published on a site for our Yankee cousins across the pond, which covers at least 90% of what I've either experienced directly through my quit so far, or witnessed here with others. If I'd found it at the start of my quit it would be laminated and nailed to my headboard.

    whyquit.com/pr/072005.html

    Finally, now I've finished laughing at a certain other thread going on containing some very funny usage of our colourful language, SARAH LOU - 24 days? Where have you been??? Pleased to meet you and that's bloomin' marvellous, congratulations and keep it going! :)

    Thanks for your very insightful post :)

    I only discovered this awesome forum last Thursday, would you believe?! Lol.

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