Does processed meat then mean bacon sausages? Read someone said by cutting out cr4p. What is that?
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What do you call processed meat and what does cutting out cr4p mean?
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Cr4p is a way of writing cr*p without triggering swear filters 
The generally mean processed foods when they say that - sugar, ready meals, crisps, sweets etc.
Processed meats would include sausages (although you can buy better quality ones that aren't as bad), salamis, chicken nuggets, hot dogs, bacon, meatballs etc.
The thing is, there aren't swear filters on here. Which makes sense, it's for discussing medical issues, swear filters would get in the way of clarity. You can say whatever the fuck you want.
Well perhaps where they saw someone talking about Cr4p might have had swear filters that the person was trying to avoid triggering. It's common on a lot of other forums.
I usually censor myself here, out of politeness.
I hope no one is offend by the bad word above... 🤬
You naughty girl...you made me chuckle 🤣
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"Processed meat" is another one of those mythical food groups that dieticians invented so they can say "don't eat that".
All food is processed. Cooking is a process. Chopping or grinding or mincing is a process. Adding salt and spices is a process. "Processed meat" covers such a wide variety of unrelated processes that it really has no meaning.
Personally, I think Michael Pollan's advice works here: don't eat anything your great-grandparents wouldn't have recognized as food.
You can find sausages, ham and bacon-like meat mentioned at least 1000 years ago, so IMO they're food.
I love your way of explanation AWT and I am impressed that you have kept up your LCHF for over 15 years, I know you could teach me a thing or two. I was never sure about the processed meat thing, although I especially enjoyed ham, bacon etc, I even tried making my own sausage meat (very successfully) because of the hype over processed meat.
I got lost on my journey whilst on keto - for a couple of years I felt fab, obviously losing the weight makes you feel that way, but I had so much energy too. I'm sure I was missing B vitamins amongst a host of other things, perhaps because they are aren't retained in your body, but being so strict, I'm sure I deprived my body of so much and I believe I ended up paying for it.
I need to ask you a couple of things, will get myself together and pen another message.
I've got a rule of thumb, that I like. I only buy things that are close to the form they grew in, or that I could prepare (at least in theory) in my kitchen.
So chorizo and salami I could totally make (though I wouldn't, because I am a slatternly housekeeper, so I would probably get botulism). Virgin olive oil is OK, because I could get a press. Most seed oils, no because they are create with industrial pressures and petroleum solvents. I make an exception for refined olive oil, because I need it's mildness for mayonnaise.
It seems to be the best way to follow the Michael Pollan rules, TheAwfulToad
I also scan the ingredients for things that shouldn't be there. I don't want sugar in my meat, for example. It's rough to be American, they sweeten bacon. And everything else. I've been watching American keto cooking on you tube, and they put a ton of sweeteners in things that don't have sugar in them in Europe, like mayonnaise.
Though premade mayonnaise has sugar in it, even in France, but I have never seen it in a recipe.
Sugar in ready made mayo is to help it keep for awhile. Fresh mayo doesn't keep well, nor do any oilbased dressings, The emulsifying agent breaks down and they go rancid, sometimes within a day. Proper mayo is made with raw eggs and oil, with just a little salt and maybe mustard, so It doesn't keep without preservatives.Sugar and honey are also preservatives which have been used for years.
I agree with keeping foods as simple as possible, so I rarely have highly processed foods as many have stabilisers, fillers, preservatives and other chemicals in them. Look at ingredient lists on the packs. I rarely have pies, Hot dogs, burgers, etc., unless I make them myself, although I do have bacon, ham and salami as standard. Smoking and salting foods are the oldest ways of preserving meat, and have stood the test of time, but putting all the extras in, Nah!
Cheers, Midori
I am pretty sure it requires quite a high concentration of sugar to be antibacterial. But you might be right, I haven't ever bought mayonnaise (I think), so couldn't say if it tastes sweet compared to homemade.
The YouTube clip I watched, he put in half a teaspoon of sweetener in his mayonnaise, and said if he added more, it would taste like Miracle Whip, which seemed to be a good thing. After googling Miracle Whip, I was shocked.
Americans and Canadians also overuse salt; for example, in Canada, they put salt in breakfast cereals. We noticed a big difference when we moved from there; food tastes so much better...less salty
OMG. I just compared Kelloggs Cornflakes on walmart.ca and tesco.com. 25% more salt and 25% more sugar.
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They like their sweet and salt over in North America.
(the UK version reports 1g of fibre, but the Canadian on says 0g. I don't know if that's a difference in the labelling standards, or if the UK one has more fibre)
I think the ideal salt consumption is greater than the published numbers, and I take a teaspoon of pink Himalayan walk in my green tea every morning.
TheAwfulToadAmbassador
Yeah, ultra-processed food. As badger said, it's all that stuff that only became possible after the industrial revolution that's best avoided.
The problem is that nutritionists get sloppy with their terminology and confuse everyone (including themselves - the Eatwell Guide and various BDA leaflets recommend a few "healthy" ultra-processed foods).
TheAwfulToadAmbassador
It's funny how people think that anything's healthy as long as it's made from vegetables.
So we've got "vegetable" oils (actually seed oils) which are made with aggressive industrial processes ... but apparently they're really good for you, even though no human ever ate them before about 1950.
All those fake "vegan meat" products made with soya (which isn't good for you in large amounts) and who-knows-what chemicals to give it the right flavour and texture.
Oat milk and rice milk ... ultra-processed grains. Basically pure starch. Glycemic index between 70-90, in the same ballpark as sliced white bread. Ordinary table sugar, for reference, is about 60.
Porridge (as recommended by the NHS) has a GI around 80.
And the politicians are telling us we all ought to be eating like this!
Don't get me wrong - there's nothing wrong with vegetables. But they ought to be eaten as vegetables, not something that's been processed out of all recognition.
Personally I hate the way the diet dictators talk about 'Red and Processed Meat' in the same sentence. They are not the same. We had a discussion the other day on sausages and just how variable they are. Look at the ingredient list. If it has more than 5 ingredients definately a Processed Meat. Real Food has no added ingredients and does not require an ingredient list.
C.R.A.P. stands for:
C arbonated Drinks
R efined Sugars
A rtificial Foods
P rocessed Foods.
The worst food is refined carbohydrates.