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Has anyone had success John Peppers theory of reversing Parkinson’s symptoms through fast walking

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stocktiki

Definitely think walking and exercise helps control symptoms, but personally it hasn't reversed them for me. Sometimes I worry I'm not walking fast enough. I walk about 16 minutes per mile.

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Armyman

good job, do you walk daily

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Boscoejean

My husband used to do fairly fast walking up and down the road for many years and it seems like it did slow his progression because he had a slight tremor in the early to mid 90s and we initially thought he might have essential tremor and the neurologist was not willing to say if he thought he had essential tremor or Parkinson's in 2017. He did lose his sense of smell around 2014. He still walks but not as fast. It does seem to be helpful. He also rides the exercise bike and does chair qi gong following a DVD. He does a few other Parkinson specific exercises.

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Farooqji in reply toBoscoejean

It seems a very slow progression if the symptoms had appeared in 90s

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Armyman in reply toFarooqji

Agreed, it appears it’s worked for him. Did he walk everyday?

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LindaP50 in reply toBoscoejean

Any type of exercise will help. Fast, slow, just keep moving. Keeps the blood flowing, the mind working, muscles moving, and can boost dopamine levels.

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Zella23

My husband walks everyday but not particularly fast as he has a bad back and his leg muscles often feel weak.

It does ease his back with the movement. It’s one thing he does every day sometimes quite a few miles. His average steps according to his phone have gone up this year. He’s been dx 9 years.

I suppose it’s debatable in his case as to whether it helps slow progression, I think it definitely helps. Had PD symptoms since 2012 but didn’t know it was. Still on low meds though. Too much and dyskinesia gets worse.

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chartist in reply toZella23

He might be able to improve his walking activity and endurance using Astaxanthin as discussed here :

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Art

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Zella23 in reply tochartist

Thanks Art I ll look it up !

jeeves19 profile image
jeeves19

Nope….

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Dap1948

I think it’s undisputed that fast walking is very good for your health generally and could slow Parkinson’s progression, but when I started it in about 2014 it didn’t change/improve my symptoms. It took B1 to do that in 2017. I’m still walking 2 miles every other day though.

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BookLover19 in reply toDap1948

Which symptoms were reversed for you? Does the B1 help reverse your tremors? What type of B1 and which route do you think works best? (oral, injection). Thank you!

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Dap1948 in reply toBookLover19

B1 does reduce tremors in some people. I do take meds as well and the combination has reduced my tremors. B1 also removed all my rigidity and bradykinesia. My walking is normal, my handwriting is normal and I can play the piano again. People meeting me for the first time don’t see that there’s anything wrong with me and that’s after 14 years since diagnosis.

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TL500 in reply toDap1948

Are the normals when meds is not on too?

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Dap1948 in reply toTL500

More or less yes. I don’t really have any Off times.

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TL500 in reply toDap1948

What about before B1 protocol? Did you have rigidity and slow when no meds?

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Dap1948 in reply toTL500

I was slow and rigid even with meds. I was no longer able to play the piano but now I can.

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TL500 in reply toDap1948

And during that time he how was your handwriting with and without meds?

How do you take your b1 and meds?

How many times per day?

And for first dose of meds do you take on empty stomach before breakfast or during or after food? Thanks

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Dap1948 in reply toTL500

Gosh I feel interrogated! I can’t remember exactly, seven years ago but I know I wrote my Christmas cards no more than four each day even with meds, as it took so much effort, and now I write them all on one day. I don’t know if this has answered your question.

B1 can be taken with or without food and meds. My meds I take three times a day. The first dose I take with food, I’m afraid I don’t worry about protein reducing their effect.

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TL500 in reply toDap1948

Thanks Daphne. Sorry if I made you feel interrogated. Because you are so successful with it, I would like to do like you but have to know how to do it. I appreciate your answers.

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Dap1948 in reply toTL500

Have you read my book on the B1 therapy?

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TL500 in reply toDap1948

I have a while ago. But I lent it to friends and don’t remember where it is now, I have to find it. I tried B1 sublingual like you too, after the oral Solgar one, but I couldn’t and can’t find my sweet spot so I stopped it for a while and trying keto on and off. Now I have been getting back to B1 and would like to know how you do the meds etc. too . Thanks

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Dap1948 in reply toTL500

I should buy a new book! It was updated in April 2024 anyway.

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TL500 in reply toDap1948

Ok. I will have a look when I have time.

Thanks

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TL500 in reply toDap1948

How come I only can find published 9 March 2022? No April 2024?

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Dap1948 in reply toTL500

They are quoting the original published date but you will be sent the updated version because my agent removes the previous edition when he republishes. It’s not possible for us to have two editions available at the same time. When you receive the book, you’ll find it’s got April 24 inside.

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TL500 in reply toDap1948

So every country has the same ?

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Dap1948 in reply toTL500

Sorry! I meant that the publishing company only carries one edition of that language at a time. The book has been translated into 13 languages so far. They were each updated and republished April 2024.

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TL500 in reply toDap1948

So English version is also updated and republished April 2024?

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Dap1948 in reply toTL500

Yes but Amazon will only quote the original publication date. The book will have the update publication date inside.

TL500 profile image
TL500 in reply toDap1948

Thanks. Is it sold on Bookdepository? It’s a good website with free delivery worldwide

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Dap1948 in reply toTL500

I’m afraid I’m not in charge of where it is sold. I leave all that to my agent. It might be, Do a google search.

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TL500 in reply toDap1948

I did and couldn't find it there. Could you suggest to your agent please? It can help PD people to save shipping fee which can be expensive . Thanks

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TL500 in reply toDap1948

I did and couldn't find it there. Could you suggest to your agent please? It can help PD people to save shipping fee which can be expensive . Thanks

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Dap1948 in reply toTL500

Why not buy the E version and then you have no shipping fee?…

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TL500 in reply toDap1948

I don’t know how to use it or how to get it from.!

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Daisies22 in reply toDap1948

Hello,Would it be possible for you to suggest what dose of B1 to take?

I was diagnosed with Young Onset of Parkinson's disease at the age of 49, 6 years ago. Currently, I am on Madopar 100/25 seven times a day and it is not working well. I also take Madopar dispersible if I need to.

Rigidity is the biggest issue I have at the moment. It is so extreme that it causes whole-body shaking.

I would be grateful for any comments you may have.

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Blue-hummingbird in reply toDaisies22

It’s been awhile since I read Daphne’s book, but I think it suggests starting with 100 mg of vitamin b1 a day and see how it goes. Since everyone is different, there’s no right answer. My HWP hasn’t found his sweet spot yet and has stopped taking B 1. I’m considering seeing if he’ll try methylated B1. It’s supposed to be easier to digest. Parkinson’s is such a puzzle. It seems most people agree that exercise helps. My husband watched a couple of John Pepper’s fast walking videos on YouTube and found that helpful. People also agree to eat healthy foods and avoid sugar and refined carbs. But some people find vegan to be helpful and others do best with a meat diet. Good luck on your journey!!

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Daisies22 in reply toBlue-hummingbird

Thank you for sharing your experience with B1 protocols, and apologies for my late reply. I was hospitalised for a week and did not get a chance to respond to messages.I just got Daphne's book. At first read it doesn't sound easy to find your sweet spot but I am determined to try at some point.

Thank you again for your kind words and all the best to you and your family.

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JayPwP in reply toDaisies22

Hope it was nothing serious... Take care...

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CuriousMe12

I dont think ànything reverses pd. You can maybe slow progression and walking helps. You also need to practice slow walking and maouvering around obstacles.

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Nikkiheat2

Walking seems to help my husband's tremors but it is pretty far from a cure for him. We did functional medicine testing, probably hundreds of different biomarkers, and he had a lot out of normal range - leaky gut, low uric acid, dehydration, vitamin D deficient and much more. We're working on getting each of those markers back in range and that seems to be helping a lot, similar to the Dale Breseden approach for improving Alzheimer's. I just don't see fast walking alone as having the same impact as correcting 20 - 30 out of range, diverse lab test scores, at least in my husband's case.

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LindaP50 in reply toNikkiheat2

Any type of movement helps! Good for you to attack each issue and work on getting them back in range for your hubby. A good goal. When my husband's lab reports arrive, I go through each line one by one and match with the previous month to keep track of what we need to watch. For instance, making sure his uric acid levels don't rise which can cause gout.

Our Parkinson's Journey is a road map, our pathway to live each day with intent. We try to add joy, laughter, relaxation, fun, exercise (includes chair exercise as his balance continues to worsen), listen to calming music, listen to happy dance/type music, spend some of our hard-earned retirement money, try to learn something new to keep the brain going, whatever we can do to not get swallowed up in the disease - and instead take control the best we can. It's not easy and some days we both just veg out and enjoy time at home indoors.

We can't reverse PD but can certainly work on slowing the progression and living a good life together. And, if you can fast walk, do it! Do what works for you and your PWP.

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Ghmac in reply toLindaP50

You get monthly blood tests? Through convential Dr? Insurance? Or?

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LindaP50 in reply toGhmac

Hubby gets quarterly blood tests due to another medical condition which is covered by insurance. Unrelated to PD.

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Healthynotwealthy

I can't talk from experience but I did look into this method when researching for my mum. If you look at his method it is more than just fast walking, it is the focus on the whole thought process behind it. I believe that others who have shown absolute dedication to novel tasks have been able to also see benefits. A study of John Pepper appears in the book The Brain that Changes by Norman Doidge (neurologist). I think for some people it works.

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Pixelpixie in reply toHealthynotwealthy

Seems to

Me it’s not really a reversal. The cognitive function changed from automatic to “mindfulness.” But if that works, wonderful!

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Ghmac in reply toHealthynotwealthy

Dr. Mischley mentioned John Pepper to us. Apparently they have met.

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Salted

The combination of physical therapy and fast walking has improved my gait, balance, and energy levels. I walk and move a lot more quickly now. I experience less rigidity/stiffness. Other symptoms, like tremor, are about the same, maybe a little worse than in the past. I think fast walking/exercise can actually reverse some symptoms and slow the progression of PD, but it is not a cure.

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Taranto98 in reply toSalted

Hi,

I am working with a physical therapist on Wed for the first time. Focus is on balence, gait and mussel retention and enhancement.

Any suggestions?

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LGIN in reply toTaranto98

yo realizo ejercicios propioceptivos, para mejorar el equilibrio, que son ejercicios que realizo en un la media pelota ( BOSU), ya que se realizan en situaciones de inestabilidad para darle fortaleza a las piernas, principalmente a las rodillas y tobillos

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Salted in reply toTaranto98

I would expect that your physical therapist will be observing and assessing, maybe testing your balance and movements for the first session or two. Don't be afraid to ask the PT for help or tips on any specific needs you have. My PT gives me print-outs of exercises and drills that I can do at home. If you are assigned a home program, do it. Just do it, every day If possible. Every little bit of strengthening, realigning, retraining will serve you. You might not see or feel improvements immediately, but over time, it can make a big difference.

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Taranto98 in reply toSalted

Thank you. Over the last 5 years my weight has stayed the same but my pants have gotten tighter. I increasingly struggle carrying 40 pound cat litter, or 40 pound salt for the pool.

My mussels are getting weaker and they are being replaced by fat.

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Gcf51

agree

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JayPwP

JohnPepper what do you say?

I agree with Healthynotwealthy comment above

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HugoRipanykhazov in reply toJayPwP

Isn't he the one who reckons that his pd was cured by selegeline back in the 1990s? Or am I mixing him up with someone else?

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JayPwP in reply toHugoRipanykhazov

I don't have a clue

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maugonnet4213

Walking workouts (with kicking, side steps, etc.) plus B1 have made my PD progress very slowly. After 6 years since my diagnosis, I still have a very mild case. I can do everything with no fear of falling or freezing. My symptoms are : terrible, tiny handwriting and awkward right hand. I can't use chopsticks any more, but aside from that my life is unaffected.

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Taranto98 in reply tomaugonnet4213

I couldn't use chopsticks before PD. So no loss there. lol

now writing and typing is another story. yikes

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LGIN

Good afternoon, I do strength, balance and cardio exercises every day for approximately 1 hour and a half, I walk fast as John Peppers says, I do 9:30 minutes per km, I take long steps and I think that everything together has helped me slow down. PD disease, but from that to reversing it, I think it is very far from being able to be achieved, with strength exercises, I have regained muscle in my legs (quadriceps and hamstrings) and upper trunk (biceps, triceps, pectorals and deltoids ), which make me feel safe walking and being able to go about my normal daily life, I take my medications and dietary supplements. greetings

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JayPwP

Any thoughts anybody???

youtu.be/G1Czy2VTSeI?si=GI9...

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JayPwP in reply toJayPwP

🙏🙏🙏

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JayPwP in reply toJayPwP

No comments??? I feel it could be an additional clue to walking benefits for PD

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Esperanto in reply toJayPwP

You are absolutely right Jay. The content of the video is super important, but due to its simplicity and repetitions about the importance of walking—where do we know that from—the message about the crucial role of the lymphatic system doesn't really come across. Moreover, the holistic approach to Parkinson's Disease already focuses on exercise, diet, and gut health.

In promoting lymphangiogenesis, or the improvement and formation of new lymphatic vessels, factors such as hydration, stress reduction, fiber-rich nutrition, sleep quality, probiotics, certain vitamins and minerals, and avoidance of toxins also play a role. New to me is lymphatic drainage massage, a special massage technique aimed at stimulating the lymphatic system.

It's too ordinary. If there were a new medication, this topic would receive much more attention. But rest assured, work is being done on this as well, because there is definitely money to be made here.

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Manypony

I’m walking a mile every other day a a good clip. I wear 1.5 lb weight on my affected arm and leg

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