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I found this lady and I am reading now her free books. It confuses me, but also gives hope....

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MBAnderson profile image
MBAnderson

which books?

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park_bear in reply to MBAnderson

books by Dr. Janice Hadlock.

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Camomi in reply to park_bear

Yes. Do you know her?

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MBAnderson in reply to Camomi

I do and I've taken a pass.

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park_bear in reply to Camomi

As much as I care to. There is hope to be had but if you want reality you will not get that from her. Among other things, Hadlock refused to treat any patient taking Parkinson's medication. That meant she only treated early stage patients,where symptom improvement can look like recovery. She has also claimed that Parkinson's arises from foot injury. Has anyone never had a foot injury?

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pdpatient in reply to park_bear

 park_bear , I reached out to her precisely because I read her perspective about foot problems and PD symptoms . My Parkinson's symptoms resulted directly after my right foot started acting funny and then devolved into plantar fasciaitis and degraded further. My MDS said later that it was probably dystonia which is a common precursor to Parkinson's diagnosis. This was 2012. I tried calling her many times over a couple of months but to no avail.

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park_bear in reply to pdpatient

Yes, foot misbehavior as an indication of a prodromal stage of Parkinson's is not unusual. My very first Parkinson's symptom, years before diagnosis, involved some cramping toes.

I believe Hadlock is claiming foot injuries to be a cause of Parkinson's rather than a result.

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CuriousMe12 in reply to park_bear

I had a fungal toe nail for years up to PD (many £s worth of applicators never cured). Does that count?

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park_bear in reply to CuriousMe12

Pretty common and I would not take that as an indication of a prodromal stage of Parkinson's.

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cceelen in reply to CuriousMe12

She talks about how toe nail fungus goes hand in hand with PD. When peoplel are cured of PD, the fungus goes away! : - )

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park_bear in reply to cceelen

Perhaps one of those people would like to post here with first-hand confirmation of being helped by Hadlock. I have yet to see any.

cceelen profile image
cceelen in reply to park_bear

my thought is that if they no longer have PD, they wouldn't be on this forum... and she retired in 2020....

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park_bear in reply to cceelen

Other people who have recovered from PD by various methods have gone public about their recovery, including a member of this forum who goes by the name "crewmanwhite". Bianca Molle recovered by virtue of Wisdom Healing Qigong. I myself was blessed with a partial recovery by the same practice - I was able to reduce my levodopa usage from 600 mg to 200 mg daily, and I continue with that dosage to this day, 7 years later, with the addition of entacapone.. If she had actually healed all these people, and she claims, someone would be excited about sharing that good news.

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Juliegrace in reply to park_bear

That is actually how I ended up here, looking for someone, anyone who would say that they were treated and cured by her method. It’s been 14 years and I still have not found one person. Nothing is ever kept that secret. Eventually it would have become public knowledge.

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cceelen in reply to park_bear

I know it took awhile for me to find this forum after my diagnosis, it seems reasonablel to me that people who have put this illness behind them may never find it

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park_bear in reply to cceelen

Yep there's a lot more to the internet than just Health Unlocked. I spent as much time as I cared to in internet search of someone who says they've actually been cured, or even helped for that matter. There may be some such people out there but I could not find any. By comparison take a look at the response to this post inquiring who has been helped by high dose thiamine:

healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

Over 40 positive responses from people who have been helped, plus a lesser number of negative responses from people who had not been helped. Now compare this to responses to your recent postings - No one actually personally says they were helped, much less cured by her ideas. Many people find her writings appealing, but when it comes down to actual results, zilch. Nada.

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cceelen in reply to park_bear

I've wondered about the lack of information, but from a different angle.

When I was first diagnosed I knew nothing about PD, and set out to learn. Specifically I was looking for holistic approaches to treatment. I searched obsessively and although I am greatful for what I did find, and I've benifitted from it, there wasn't a whisper that came up about Dr. Hadlock's work. If I had found it then, I most certainly would have not started on meds, at least not until I had tried to find relieif through her methods.

Her work includes everything I was hungry for, especially with in-depth, detailed descriptions of everthing surrounding PD. She is brilliant and seems tireless in her work. She challenges the established medical community by revealing the true effect that dopamine drugs and supplements have on us. Someone might choose to use them anyway, but most people using them have no idea about their effect.

It reminds me of cigarettes. People smoked them before they knew about their perils, and they smoked them after they knew, but at least they knew.

A friend reminded me that Google (and Google search) is powered by money, big money. It may be no accident that neither one of us came up with anything about Dr. Hadlock in our searches.

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park_bear in reply to cceelen

>It may be no accident that neither one of us came up with anything about Dr. Hadlock in our searches.

That is not what I said. What I did say: "I spent as much time as I cared to in internet search of someone who says they've actually been cured, or even helped for that matter." [Emphasis added].

I have had no problem finding Hadlock via Google search.

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cceelen in reply to park_bear

Yes, I read what you wrote. Once I had been given her name, I had no trouble findiing her, but before I knew her name and only entered the subject, she did not come up. How I wish she had, my path would have been different.

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park_bear in reply to cceelen

Or perhaps the only difference would have been a delay for the time spent finding out that her methods did not work for you.

Sadly, many people have been made to feel guilty as a result of her condemnation of medication.

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cceelen in reply to park_bear

Her intent is to provide information and hopefully help people. She certainly has not shared this information to make them feel guilty. The ones who should feel guilty are those who led us to believe that the dopamine medications are harmless.

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pdpatient in reply to Camomi

She never returned my phone calls 🙄

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justoldage in reply to pdpatient

She retired in 2020.

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pdpatient in reply to justoldage

Hmm. It makes sense due to the pandemic I guess. Did you try to reach out to her? BTW, she had those books published online at onlinepencil and I couldn't read the books entirely since there was little editing and too many pages 😀

I should have said that I called her several times in 2012. Sorry, for the confusion. She lived in Santa Clara in those days.

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justoldage in reply to pdpatient

I downloaded her books from www,PDRecovery,org/publications. Cost free or make a donation.

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gomelgo in reply to justoldage

She readily and promptly answers emails. Though much of what she writes can be super confusing, I believe she is onto something, and I don't think it's fair to claim that she is making direct claims about foot injury CAUSING PD. I think, after reading almost all of her books (for free btw), that she has partially gotten it right that our brain and nervous systems are in a stuck mode. Stuck in fight flight, freeze. There are plenty of others who corroborate this, and sadly are dismissed. I'm not sure what it is that causes people to be so skeptical before really reading through the stuff. Maybe it's that most who have been diagnosed have immediately been put on meds. But she is VERY clear that she tried to cure people who have been medicated only to find that her treatments made them worse. I imagine that would have been quite devastating to her since she herself had PD. And when I see people dismiss her ideas outright just because she won't work with folks who have already been medicated, I find that sad, and frightening actually. Because no one has it all "right". And just like the folks who are medicated and temporarily doing better, are only partly getting it right, same goes for pretty much everyone looking at this conundrum. Have you ever considered that it's not actually an either or proposition, and maybe everyone has a piece of this puzzle, and everyone has a valid contribution to make? I prefer to live my life through a lens of possibility, where I constantly consider the question "what if everyone is right?" I don't actually contact her anymore because she was kinda rude when I pressed her on the fact that her techniques actually DO need a practitioner. Who is able to stroke their own back? Anyway, here is something interesting considering we were just looking at this dopamine issue. pdrecovery.org/new-corrobor...

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justoldage in reply to pdpatient

I never knew anything about her before my diagnosis in July 2021. Her home was around Weyburn,, Saskatchewan, about 70 miles south-east from me, but she taught in California.

The article does offer support to her teaching. One thing J. Hadlock explains is the disconnect of energy flow from the foot that connects to the brain.

Another interesting person is Dr. John Bergman who has a few videos about Parkinsons. He is a chiropractor from California and operates a clinic in Mexico.

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PDTom

There really is a lot to read!

please let us know if there is any progress.

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MBAnderson in reply to PDTom

"When the electrical aberrations in a person with Parkinson’s are corrected, the person’s Parkinson’s disease ceases."

Essentially, she is claiming a single cause and, secondly, that she can cure it.

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PixelPaul in reply to MBAnderson

Wouldn’t you think if somebody had the secret cure for PD, that more people in the community would know about her?

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park_bear in reply to PixelPaul

Many people seem to know about her but I've never seen anyone claim benefit, and I've been here for many years.

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LAJ12345 in reply to PixelPaul

I think we all know about her but her trick is if you’ve taken meds she can’t help you so that eliminates most people

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OKWY in reply to MBAnderson

Doesn't her theory correspond a bit with Prof Peter Tass' glove and theory of reset? That's possibly instant and seems miraculous, but I don't hear people complain it's too simplistic. I did watch one of her videos and it made a lot of sense about the "pause" state creating freeze and energy blocked at the neck. I do Tai Chi and it makes a lot of sense. My HWP had some great help with acupuncture by a gifted taiwanese student (ex nurse).

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park_bear in reply to OKWY

I'm a very dedicated Qigong practitioner and Qigong has helped me a lot. Her description of the Chi in Parkinson's patients bears no resemblance to my experience of Chi. My flow of Chi is not blocked at the neck. I do find that flowing Chi to the brain, in moderation, is helpful.

Camomi profile image
Camomi

She treated at first everybody who came to her, but discovered that is was impossible if you use medicine.

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MBAnderson in reply to Camomi

From park_bear, "That meant she only treated early stage patients, where symptom improvement can look like recovery. "

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gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson

"from Park Bear" ... how about reading it for yourself and seeing what she actually says?

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MBAnderson in reply to gomelgo

I think you misunderstand the reason I cited park_bear

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gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson

That may be so. In which case

I would appreciate a clarification.

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kevowpd

Has been discussed here many times. It's nonsense and worth no more of anyone's precious time.

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gomelgo in reply to kevowpd

I see no harm at all in spending time thinking about possibly having actual cures that may save people from cutting into their actual brains, or killing their own brain cells on purpose, or becoming endlessly addicted to a drug that itself plainly claims NOT to be a cure or even able to continue to help after a few years.

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kevowpd in reply to gomelgo

There is no possibility for an 'actual cure' in the output the subject of this thread but you are of course free to spend your time as you see fit.

Anyone can self-publish a book in which they claim to have cured thousands of PWPs using whatever treatment plan you can dream up. Sadly, that does not make it real.

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gomelgo in reply to kevowpd

Firstly, she does not claim to have cured thousands. Secondly, this idea that "there is no possibility of a cure" is actually impossible to prove. Whereas people have actually cured themselves. MANY people. And folks who do what you are doing here only perpetuate this mythology that is being treated as fact by people who are making a TON of money off this kind of "reality". It's really sad to watch actually. People are being made sicker, and brains are very obviously being damaged .. even the doctors who prescribe these medications will tell you that they are damaging to brains. But I think you and I are wasting both our time arguing because these are BELIEFS, and no one can argue with each others beliefs ... and win. Unless of course, at least one of the people arguing is willing to question their own belief.

"Cheers to all the people who can change their minds when presented with information that contradicts their beliefs" - Jim Carey

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crewmanwhite

Be cautious. There is some doubtful veracity to some of the information therein.

CuriousMe12 profile image
CuriousMe12

I tried reading the free download but quickly found it like wading through treacle. The concepts were alien to me. I suspect that idve needed to start buying courses to understand it.

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Camomi in reply to CuriousMe12

2020-recovery-from-parkinson.pdf

You read this one?

CuriousMe12 profile image
CuriousMe12 in reply to Camomi

Don't know. It's nothing I can open.

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gomelgo in reply to CuriousMe12

She is RETIRED now ... so not sure you can buy courses. But even if you could, there is zero in the books that suggests that you need to buy courses. However, I agree that some of it can be quite confusing. But the underlying premise is far from confusing to me.

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CuriousMe12 in reply to gomelgo

Maybe you're lucky in understanding. I just didn't get it which is why I'd need a course (which appear to be available to purchase on line).Can you give a summary explanation of her solution, or is it not that simple?

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gomelgo in reply to CuriousMe12

Read my other comments in this thread.

Eddie129 profile image
Eddie129

she lost me when she suggested to talk to an imaginary friend or dead person.

I Read one of her books cover to cover. A lot of theory, but no concrete steps on how to actually get to recovery.

What does work/help: exercise, clean diet, positive attitude, meditation, the right supplements etc. This website/chat room and the people who are on it, have given me more hope than most of the books on PD that I’ve read . Thank you all.

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Canddy in reply to Eddie129

Agree Eddie129

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gomelgo in reply to Eddie129

What is your idea of a positive attitude? FOr some, talking to a "higher power" is very much a part of a positive attitude.

Pixelpixie profile image
Pixelpixie

Stuck on Pause does detail her approach and I believe she has a very useful approach. She defines four “causes” with different remedies. She is not unlike Howard Shifke in her electrical approach. The reason she eschews treatment if on meds is bc she believes lack of dopamine is not the problem and meds cause an OD. I have emailed her twice with questions and received a prompt and helpful reply. Not everyone has the foot injury type but some have Type I & II. In fact, I developed my PD not long after a foot injury but I believe the cause is more Type I. Howard’s approach is easier to follow- see Fighting Parkinsons and Winning

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MBAnderson in reply to Pixelpixie

Ms. Pixie,

"... she believes lack of dopamine is not the problem and meds cause an OD."

But, how do you/she reconcile that with the hundreds of thousands of people who take c/l and feel it does them a lot of good and with all the brain scans that show loss of dopamine in pwp?

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Pixelpixie in reply to MBAnderson

I believe the dopamine is being shunted so C/L supplements a more direct feed. But that’s my take

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gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson

Mark, please explain why people who take meds are not cured, and why ALL of them eventually stop benefitting from the meds. Also, why does dyskinisia only affect those who take meds?

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MBAnderson in reply to gomelgo

"...explain why people who take meds are not cured..."

Because supplementing with c/l doesn't address the cause and all neurologist who prescribe it are careful to explain that.

"...why ALL of them eventually stop benefitting from the meds."

I don't think this is fully understood. One theory is not accepted by all neurologist.

A widely accepted theory is that over time there are fewer dopaminergic neurons in the brain. A pwp tends to need more dopamine to compensate for progression.

The other theory is, in some, c/l does lose some of it's effectiveness as is the case with many drugs. I don't know the explanation (on a molecular level.)

"Also, why does dyskinesia only affect those who take meds?"

It doesn't. Some pwp who don't take c/l get it.

In others, "These fluctuating levels, and the continued loss of dopamine-producing brain cells, make it impossible to keep a steady level of dopamine, which contributes to dyskinesia."

Dyskinesia can occur when dopamine levels are on their way up or on their way down or when they are peaking.

michaeljfox.org/news/dyskin....

While I am open to his theory, upon his presenting more and better evidence, as for now, I believe PD symptoms are the result of low dopamine.

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gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson

"Also, why does

"Also, why does dyskinesia only affect those who take meds?"

It doesn't. Some pwp who don't take c/l get it.

REALLY?!?! This is the first I am hearing of it. Have you met anyone who has dyskinesia without having ever taken the meds?

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MBAnderson in reply to gomelgo

I can't find the study now, so I stand corrected.

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gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson

Thanks for looking. If you ever come across a case like this, please let me know.

JohnPepper profile image
JohnPepper

Does it mention antyhing about FAST EWALKING, which really does reverse PD Symptoms and is also FREE

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Camomi in reply to JohnPepper

Till now I didn't read that....

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gomelgo

Honestly, I think there is more than one way to reverse symptoms. And I think what people truly believe will cure them ... will in the end. If actually accomplished of course.

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gomelgo

Also, there is this, which I have not yet gotten into enough to say much about. ceri.com/parkpage.htm

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