Has anyone heard about when Peter Tass 's vibrating glove is out?

[TL500]

Does anyone know when we can get them and how? Thanks

[Michel0220]

Please watch this recent presentation and Q&A.

youtu.be/XRUOjpm0hKo(Not working as expected?)

[gaga1958 in reply to Michel0220]

did he really answer the question TL500 asked though? I listened and thought he really didn't give a defined answer. maybe he just doesn't know.

[Neurosmith in reply to gaga1958]

He said it was hard to say but estimated 1.5 to 2 years before they are generally available.

[TL500 in reply to gaga1958]

Thanks for your question.

[TL500 in reply to Michel0220]

Thanks

[Manypony]

synergic lab in Eugene Oregon is running a trial

[TL500 in reply to Manypony]

Peter Tass 's glove?

[Manypony in reply to TL500]

it’s a trial of “ the glove” with both an effective and a placebo protocol

Glove trial

[TL500 in reply to Manypony]

Thanks

[Neurosmith]

This is from the video transcript. Note the time stamp and go to that part of the video:

49:08

what is the timeline or availability to the public

it's it's difficult to tell because it

49:17

um it it really depends on for example in very specific just one important

49:22

aspect as I told you about the racing car we expect this car to be very fast

49:28

and really super compared to the previous one but we have to know exactly how much faster it is and this will

49:35

influence the FDA approval trial we're going to do this will influence the time

49:41

points of the of the outcome outcome measures and I hope that in let's say

49:48

one and a half to two years or so we'll have this product available

[gaga1958 in reply to Neurosmith]

thank you

[TL500 in reply to Neurosmith]

Thanks

[TL500 in reply to Neurosmith]

Do you know if the interview was recently? I know that the video is just 3 days ago. Thanks

[Neurosmith in reply to TL500]

Yes, the interview was this last Monday, June 5, 2023. I watched it live. The YouTube was posted the next day.

[TL500 in reply to Neurosmith]

Thanks. So have to wait 1.5 to 2 years for it?

[WinnieThePoo]

their intention would be 1/2 to 2 years. The first kanwar bhuttani. videos came out in 2018. covid was obviously seriously disruptive. But these things have a habit of being delayed

[WinnieThePoo in reply to WinnieThePoo]

Well. We have an official stanford trial again. Initial trial of the new glove. 10 people 2 years, completes late 2025clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show...

[TL500 in reply to WinnieThePoo]

So that means the gloves won't be out on market until after 2025?

[WinnieThePoo in reply to TL500]

Well. It's a bit confusing. Although that is a new trial, yet to recruit, they appear to be re-using the template from the previous trial which they withdrew. It's only 10 people and open label. So for fda approval I would have thought they would need a larger placebo double blind trial of the same length. Maybe they would run that in parallel. If not, and they are going to wait for the conclusion of this one, then maybe 2027 or 2028

[TL500 in reply to WinnieThePoo]

I was hopeful that it was going to be out 2024 when the first few videos were shown

[Ctime]

The question that I asked on the seminar was why they felt they needed to let perfect get in the way of good.

I am happy to have a Ford Fiesta today rather than a race car in 4 years. I can also afford a Ford Fiesta, and keep it running. Perhaps the Synergic glove is the non race car version.

The DIY work is incredibly important if only to keep the pressure on to bring the "official" version to market and to keep pressure on the cost. The opensource work on 3d Printing was what dramatically transformed the industry, created new markets and reduced costs by an order of magnitude.

[JCRO in reply to Ctime]

To appease the stakeholders and make a substantial profit. They are working the IP Attorneys hard protecting their “new” position having disclosed too much freely in the past.

[Ctime in reply to JCRO]

JCRO, I agree that this is a not unlikely scenario. Certainly, once the device is on the market it will be quite easy to reverse engineer and anything that is not in the patents or is based on ideas in the papers but before the patents will be broadly available quite quickly particularly in countries with a low bar for non invasive medical devices.

[WinnieThePoo in reply to Ctime]

The new glove may be a bit trickier to reverse engineer on a DIY basis since it probably involves monitoring brain activity and varying the vCR to match the feedback

[Ethin in reply to WinnieThePoo]

Where did you see that? Was it in a new clinical trial description, published patent or some other presentation? I am afraid I missed that announcement.

Generally, I think closed loop makes sense. However, closed loop is not yet implemented in most DBS systems today, where it also makes sense, which suggests that the 'racing car glove' make take even longer to arrive. Unless Peter Tass is the Elon Musk of DBS/vCR.

[WinnieThePoo in reply to Ethin]

patents.justia.com/patent/2...

[Ethin in reply to WinnieThePoo]

Thanks! Quite a racing car, indeed..

[TL500 in reply to Ctime]

Agree on Ford Fiesta theory!

[marisadr in reply to Ctime]

Have you heard of the Cue1? It's also a wearable device, a sort of "button" that you place on your sternum, which has shown to reduce or eliminate many of the Parkinson´s symptoms. It does so by delivering " specialised patterns of vibration and pulses, known as ‘vibrotactile stimulation and cueing’, which improves motor skills, walking parameters, and reduces freeze-of-gait and stiffness". It's a real breakthrough, maybe not as powerful as Dr. Tass´s glove, maybe not a "race car" but a good enough Ford Fiesta that is already available for purchase. Designed by recent graduates of Imperial College and Cambridge University, it has been selling in the UK (there's a waiting list) and is being introduced in some of the NHS hospitals (no years-long FDA testing here).

Apparently, it works. I'm on the waiting list in Spain and am very excited because yesterday they informed me that they've arrived in Spain, and I'm one of the first on the mailing list, so I can now purchase one. 340€. I bought it yesterday and should receive it in about a week.

This is good competition for the glove, hope it helps to speed things along!

For anyone who is interested:

charconeurotech.com/what-is...

youtube.com/watch?v=7cQ7XMQ...(Not working as expected?)

cuh.nhs.uk/news/high-tech-d...

[WinnieThePoo in reply to marisadr]

There have been a few posts on the forum about these. Experiences have been mixed. Some people get a valuable benefit from it. Quite a few don't. It's not equivalent. It may be vibrotactile but it isn't coordinated reset