Interesting Evidence in Favour of Fast Walking

[JohnPepper]

Here is an interesting email I received from a Pd patient in Holland:

Hi John,

I’m glad to hear that you keep going strong. Despite the ‘other’ health problems...

I do the fast walking regularly and it definitely contributes to my health! I walk a lot more than you suggest (I do 40 kms per week) but that’s because -after 15 mins - I walk and feel as if there was no Parkinson’s. And that makes me happy!! I am also ‘only’ 51 years old...

I am currently on the way home from a month’s stay in Tibet; where I did a 58 km hike at an altitude between 4600 and 5600 meters... It was tough but I managed. And I also found out that altitude and Parkinson’s don’t go together very well. But hey; I’ve had the experience!

Furthermore, I find that the reduction of stress is key in handling Mr.P. It helps me to be much more honest with myself thereby becoming a happier man.

I was diagnosed 5,5 years ago and don’t do any medication. Nonetheless, symptoms do not vanish which keeps me alert of any possible improvement. I am still convinced I can reverse Pd but haven’t found my clue yet. But I keep searching and enjoying life at the same time!

I wish you a swift recovery from your arterial issues. You inspired me-back then, in Amsterdam- to find my own way and don’t surrender to the ‘quick fix’. I am very grateful for that.

Warm regards,

Ted

My response to him was to stick to the rules of Fast Walking and be sure to not do TOO MUCH!

[jimmydook]

Having trouble fast walking, got dystonia in right foot, try to walk it off, but dosent allways go away

[JohnPepper in reply to jimmydook]

Hi Jimmy

Are you walking the way you have always walked or do you consciously move your legs forward?

You may find this question hard to answer. At some stage, after reading my information on fast walking you might have found that you got better results by consciously moving your legs and arms, instead of willing them to move as you always have done.

[jeeves19]

Interesting form of PD not to have taken any meds in 5 years. Ergo he probably never had it in the first place 🤔.

[JohnPepper in reply to jeeves19]

Jeeves, you surprise me! I have been without any Pd medication since 2002. I took Pd medication for 10 years, but had I known I did not need it I could have saved an awful lot of money. I am surprised that none of my neurologists knew what they were doing, but hey, it's so easy to be wise afterwards.

[Hidden in reply to JohnPepper]

The same neurologists whose diagnoses you consider unimpeachable?

Funny, when anyone questions your diagnosis you seem far less willing to question the expertise of the neurologists that treated you.

[Hikoi in reply to JohnPepper]

You took PD medication for ten years. One drug selegiline, thats not PD medication!! I think nearly everyone here will be on a cocktail of meds by that stage. Who ever said that your PD was being treated with medication was fooling you.

[JohnPepper in reply to Hikoi]

Selegiline certainly is a Pd medication. It stops the natural breakdown of dopamine in the substantia nigra, which gives the patient more Dopamine.

Your determination to get other people to believe that I don't have Pd knows no ends.

But of course, you are an expert.

[Hikoi in reply to JohnPepper]

I wonder how many people at 10 years diagnosis of PD have treatment only and solely with Selegiline. One tablet a day!

It is disingenuous to speak of stopping all Parkinsons medications when that was all you were taking, one tablet a day. Yes selegiline can be used for Parkinsons but its original use is for depression.

[JohnPepper in reply to Hikoi]

It was two tablets a day!

[cshamb in reply to JohnPepper]

Hi John

I believe in the fast walking but not sure how to start. I have had pd since 2011 and doing well until now. I don't feel as good as I did. i am on medication. I bought your book several years ago but have mislaid it. I do Rock Stead Boxing but feel the walking would slow progression. Any help would be appreciated.

[JohnPepper in reply to cshamb]

Hi cshamb. If you contact me via my website -reverseparkinsons.net I will give you all the info to help you start the walking, together with my videos.

[Cons10s in reply to jeeves19]

Jeeves, Ive had PD five years and take no meds. I do take supplements however including Mucuna. Interesting after one year of daily meditation and two years of B1 my Mucuna intake is half or less of what it was at the highest use point. Now 1-3 Barlowes 40% a day.

Ted needs to add meditation to his regimen. I barely have symptoms now.

[jeeves19 in reply to Cons10s]

That's brilliant Cons. I used to try meditation but sadly my little dog/puppy always finds out where I'm practising and scratches at the door. Tends to jolt me out of Nirvana! But I think you've done great things and I'm very pleased for you.

[Dragona]

My husband has it but as yet he has never taken any med first noticed about 6 years ago, plays golf and takes thiamine plus few other supplements main problem at the moment is excess mucous driving him mad he uses magnesium oil for stiffness in hands

[JohnPepper in reply to Dragona]

When we have the excess mucus we have to remember to swallow more often. It is a pain, but it is better than dribbling!

[PDConscience]

EVIDENCE: "symptoms do not vanish which keeps me alert of any possible improvement. I am still convinced I can reverse Pd but haven’t found my clue yet. But I keep searching..."

*JP's literary insult to medical world 'Reverse Parkinson's Disease' can still be found in the 'Science Fiction' section at a few shoddy used-book shops in select 3rd world countries.

[JohnPepper in reply to PDConscience]

Said by someone who has never met or examined me. He obviously has a hidden agenda, which is probably the only reason why he lurks in the background, dishing out these ugly comments.

[Grumpy77 in reply to PDConscience]

As for the effects of fast walking on PD, it is unknown to me, so i am completely neutral as I don't have any evidence for or against it

While I'm with you against fraudsters taking advantage of innocent victims, my qualms with you is, by associating reversal/healing/cure of PD with science fiction, you seem to be saying its impossible to ever find a solution which is beyond symptomatic suppression. I guess you think such a stance makes you scientifically cute.

I think it does the opposite really, because its downbeat, pessimistic, depressing and discourages individuals from believing their own research can make a difference

My own stance is, while I believe a cure/healing protocol/reversing of symptoms is possible, i will only buy yours (or allow you to sell yours) if you provide me with evidence

I strongly believe in our life time, a solution beyond symptomatic suppression can be found

[Hidden in reply to Grumpy77]

I disagree. John's all over this forum with his misleading claims regarding his fast walking. Any post made that highlights the weapons-grade nonsense that makes up his book (and forum posts) is beneficial for the vulnerable (or desperate) here that are in search of a cure. And no, it's not harmless for someone to come here and religiously advocate for their approach when they make claims like "fast walking is superior to other exercise because it has a specific GDNF related power to halt/slow/reverse". PD patients of any age and condition have a limited amount of time available to them during the day and they should at least be accurately advised so that they can make educated decisions about how to use that time. What if someone's progression was not as slow as it could have been because they pursuedfast walking instead of HIIT or rock steady boxing or something with some actual science behind it?

It's incredibly unlikely that lifestyle changes in the form of any exercise is going to provide the basis for a reliably replicable 'cure'. Hundreds of millions of people have had PD at this point, including people that were incredibly fit/strong/whatever at diagnosis. Hell, I'm sure there's no shortage of patients that were already 'fast walking' when they were diagnosed.

I don't even see where the poster you are responded to is "saying its impossible to ever find a solution which is beyond symptomatic suppression." They simply called John's claims science fiction, which is probably generous in my view as there's no science involved at all. It's just fiction, really.

[PDConscience in reply to Hidden]

Well said!

[Grumpy77 in reply to Hidden]

My bad, i meant PDConcscience implied so... not that he literally said it was impossible.

What I meant was if someone could pick a claim to be false without the evidence of examining the people involved (my presumption) to prove their claims are false, then they could do that to any claim.

It is one thing for the 'reverse PD' claimant not to provide evidence and its another thing for the debunker not to examine the claims but simply to debunk based on the simplicity of the method

[PDConscience in reply to Grumpy77]

You're kind of getting out there in the cosmos with your interpretations of what I said, grumps. I'm simply pointing out that which is already obvious to all bipeds in possession of a modest degree of wit and common sense: A book that claims to 'Reverse Parkinson's Disease' by walking fast belongs either in the 'science fiction' section or in the trash bin. *BTW: Rambling about "a solution beyond symptomatic suppression" fails spectacularly to achieve any scientific depth for you.

[Grumpy77 in reply to PDConscience]

I suppose my presumption (as in my reply to @Horace99) was wrong then. If contrary to my presumptions you have examined the claimants and proven their claims to be false, then tough

[PDConscience in reply to Grumpy77]

Examined "the claimants" and "proven their claims to be false"?!? 😳

I have indeed thoroughly examined the referred "claimants" and have conclusively proven that - contrary to JP's fanciful 'Reverse Parkinson's Disease' by walking fast claims - genuine PD reversal can be obtained ONLY through the daily ritual of burning incense and banging on a tambourine while loudly howling your favorite Sanskrit mantra. A success rate surpassing that of JP's magical fast-walking formula serves as incontestable proof (you're examination to prove otherwise is welcomed).

Your apology is accepted.

[Grumpy77 in reply to PDConscience]

" genuine PD reversal can be obtained ONLY through the daily ritual of burning incense and banging on a tambourine while loudly howling your favorite Sanskrit mantra"

I was speaking seriously in my reply to you. But since you - as my psychic sense tells me - on the other hand choose to be sarcastic, then i stand by the contents of my first post in this thread

My principle remains the same - you can't take moral high ground if you debunk claims you haven't checked out

Disclaimer: I have absolutely no proof that fast walking reverses PD, but it being a form of exercise, i have no proof that it doesn't reverse PD either

[Dragona]

Thank you John for your reply I do believe the people who still have the ability to exercise should take advantage and keep limbered up I know golf helps my husband as I am sure walking is extremely good

[JohnPepper in reply to Dragona]

Hi Dragona. When you say, "Still have the ability" I assume you mean don not have any injuries preventing them from exercising. I agree with than, but don't think that being unable to walk without getting out of breath is an inability to walk.

If someone gets out of breath walking for even a minute, then that person should start walking, before it is too late! If that person were to walk as far as he/she can, every day, then within a month that person would find that they are already able to walk a lot further before they get out of breath and within three months they will feel like a new person.

[hanifag]

Please tell me the symptoms how y

Control with out meds

[Rscott]

Keep up the positive message John. I personally do not do fast walking but spinning 3 times per week provides strenuous exertion and cardio. There is pleanty of science behind this. Plus I do boxing for Parkinsons 3/ wk. my symptems are steady and I have cut back on meds.

[Resano]

Great. However In a country like Tibet, neighbouring Bhutan, there may have been a confusion factor there. Please have a look at the below article and a possible explanation: Intermittent Hypoxia (see Belikova and colleagues’ studies…)

“The second theory revolves around hypoxia and the main neurotransmitter that Parkinson’s disease effects. A study published in Springer titled Intermittent Hypoxia and Experimental Parkinson’s Disease found a link between hypoxia and the increase of dopamine synthesis. We know that atmospheric pressure reduces with altitude and with that so does the amount of oxygen. The reduction in the partial pressure of inspired oxygen at higher altitudes lowers the oxygen saturation of the blood which leads to hypoxia. But what does this have to do with parkinsonian symptoms? The results of this study revealed that a two-week course of intermittent hypoxia training in patients with Parkinson’s disease increased dopamine synthesis in old and experimental PD animals which restored the asymmetry of DA distribution in the brain.”

“ According to Fred Ransdell, author of Shaky Man Walking, he has had two individual experiences where his tremors almost completely vanished. The first takes place whenever he is flying. Mr. Ransdell states that as the plane gains altitude he will remain completely asymptomatic until the plane lands. The second was when he was driving over a mountain pass at 9,000 feet elevation and he states that at that moment he noticed that his tremors were gone.”

Source: "Increasing the Altitude to Decrease the Symptoms of Parkinson’s Disease"

highaltitudehealth.com/2019...

[BigTexan in reply to Resano]

I guess if MJF moves to Colorado we will know if the high altitude study shows something!

[kaypeeoh]

I lived in Wyoming for 35 years. Wyoming is higher altitude than Denver.

[JohnPepper in reply to kaypeeoh]

Is Denver above 6000 feet? I lived most of my life in Johannesburg and did my fast walking there, with wonderful results.

[kaypeeoh in reply to JohnPepper]

Denver is the 'mile high' city. Altitude is 5280ft above sea level.. But as I said I lived in Wyoming. Home was Sweetwater County at 6500ft. But the PD diagnosis forced me to move to Connecticut. In Wyoming a trip to the neuro was a three-hour drive each way. In Connecticut it's a 10 minute drive to Hartford Health.

[JohnPepper]

I lived in Johannesburg which is 6000 feet above sea level for most of my life. I am now living on the southern coast of South Africa.Do you have Pd? If so, do you d the fast walking?

Kind regards

John