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My correspondence with Dr Cosentini

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Sharing this in case it can be helpful to anyone. I wrote to Dr Cosentini for advice on Thiamine dosage this morning. He responded in about an hour! Here it is:

Dear Dr Cosentini and company,

Hello from the United States! First, thank you for all that you do for people with Parkinsons Disease! I also have Parkinsons Disease and wish to consult you about the dose of Thiamine that I should be taking. I am 49 years old, 235 pounds (106.5 Kg). I was first diagnosed 5 years ago. My UPDRS score was 31 but came down to about 21 after 2 or 3 months of taking 4g per day of B1 Thiamine HCL. At that point I have stopped improving and I am wondering if I am at the correct dose. Will you please advise me on the dose for my situation?

Thank you and kindest regards,

Rob

Translated by Google:

Ciao dagli Stati Uniti! Prima di tutto, grazie per tutto ciò che fai per le persone con Parkinson! Ho anche il morbo di Parkinson e voglio consultarti sulla dose di tiamina che dovrei assumere. Ho 49 anni, 235 sterline (106,5 kg). Mi è stato diagnosticato per la prima volta 5 anni fa. Il mio punteggio UPDRS era 31, ma è sceso a circa 21 dopo 2 o 3 mesi di assunzione di 4 g al giorno di B1 Thiamine HCL. A quel punto ho smesso di migliorare e mi chiedo se sono alla dose corretta. Si prega di avvisare sulla dose per la mia situazione?

Grazie e distinti saluti,

Rob

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Caro Rob, debbo dire che la traduzione di google è perfetta. Anche io non saprei scrivere in inglese e il traduttore mi aiuta molto. Sono molto contento che hai trovatto giovavento dalla cura. In effett debbo dire che è stata efficace su tutti i pazienti trattati nel mio studio e via email. Quello che devi fare lo troverai in inglese tradotto da google.

Dear Rob, I must say that the google translation is perfect. Even I could not write in English and the translator helps me a lot. I am very happy that you have found youthful from the cure. In fact I must say that it was effective on all patients treated in my study and by email. What you need to do you will find it in English translated by google.

Please take a short videotape of your face while speaking and your walk to be kept as a reference for the future.

To determine the right dose in future we follow the following criteria. First of all it is necessary to say that if the dose of thiamine used is excessive it can determine, after an initial improvement, an aggravation of the first improved symptoms. In this case we invite the patient to suspend treatment with thiamine for a week, the worsening regresses and then can be restarted with halved or in any case lower doses. The right dose should not give the side effects of overdose, improve at least 50% all the symptoms of the UPDRS scale, and bring the PULL TEST to normal, which is almost always pathological, is often present even in the early stages of the disease and also reveals in the early phase the disturbances of equilibrium. As a rule, if a strong push towards the back is given to the Parkinsonian patient, he / she takes a few steps or falls. This symptom is only improved by thiamine being insensitive to other treatments. The normalization of the patient’s response tells us the dose of thiamine is the rigth one.

The normal subject to the push is still or at most takes a step backwards.

Let me know in 30 days, when you should see the improvements.

Best regards,

Antonio Costantini

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he then writes again:

Comunque potresti aumentare la dose a 5 grammi e anche a sei .Se è eccessiva invece di migliorare puoi peggiorare e ritornare alla dose precedente.La giusta dose di tiamina, assunta regolarrmente arresta completamente la progressione della malattia, riduce drasticamente i sintomi non motori,e corregge i disturbi dell' equilibrio.Riduce fortemente i sintomi motori ma non è in grado da sola di farli scomparire in quanto le cellule della sostanza nera sopravvissute, anche se sono ristorate non sono in grado di fare le funzioni di tutto il nucleo sano. Per ottenere la completa regressione dei sintomi motori è necessario aggiungere la giusta dose di levodopa la quale non darà mai più le cosiddette compliczioni tardive. Noi abbiamo da anni pazienti con le tue stesse caratteristiche che non mostrano più nessun sintomo motorio e da diversi anni. Tienimi informato. Un saluto. AC

However you could increase the dose to 5 grams and even to six. If it is excessive instead of improving you can worsen and return to the previous dose. The right dose of thiamine, taken steadily, completely stops the progression of the disease, drastically reduces non-motor symptoms, and it corrects the disturbances of the equilibrium. It strongly reduces the motor symptoms but it is not in itself able to make them disappear because the surviving cells of the black substance, even if they are refreshed, are not able to perform the functions of the whole healthy nucleus. To obtain the complete regression of the motor symptoms it is necessary to add the right dose of levodopa which will never give so-called late complications. We have for years been patient with your own characteristics that no longer show any motor symptoms and for several years. Keep me informed. A greeting. B.C

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in summary, he says to

1. take video of myself walking and talking

2. do a pull test

3. suspend treatment with thiamine for a week, the worsening regresses and then can be restarted with halved or in any case lower doses

4. you could increase the dose to 5 grams and even to six. If it is excessive instead of improving you can worsen and return to the previous dose.

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I am extremely impressed!

~Bassofspades

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Gioc profile image
Gioc

Hi Basso,Thank you so much for shared this. Just as enlightening as ever! A special thank to Dr. Antonio Costantini.

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bassofspades

I then figured I'd ask the good doctor one more question we all have been wondering....

Thank you so very much for the advice! One more question - How much coffee is OK? I havev heard that caffeine interferes with B1 absorption.

His reply:

I think a single cup in the morning, half an hour, an hour before taking the thiamine will not hurt you.

God bless Dr Cosentini!!!!

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jeeves19

How has your bradykinesia fared via B1 as I know we both share this?

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bassofspades in reply tojeeves19

at first it was helping but the last 2 weeks or so it has been creeping back. Going to try altering my dose down as per the great Dr.

I also am trying Gabapentin, as advised by Baily_Texas and as per a study I googled which said it help with bradykinesia. I have been on it 2 months and have not found it to be much help. Maybe a mild reduction in my upper posterior leg pain.

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Gabapentin for Parkinsonism: A Double-Blind, Placebo-controlled, Crossover Trial

Abstract

PURPOSE: Gabapentin is a recently available anticonvulsant whose mechanism of action remains unknown. We suspected efficacy from serendipitous observations of gabapentin in patients with parkinsonism. This led us to a double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover trial.

PATIENTS AND METHODS: We administered gabapentin in a placebo-controlled, double-blind, crossover trial to 19 subjects with advanced parkinsonism. We measured the effect of placebo and gabapentin on subjects' symptoms with the Unified Parkinson's Disease Rating Scale, the Webster Scale, and the Hoehn and Yahr Scale. We assessed tremor with surface-recorded electromyography.

RESULTS: Total Unified Parkinson's Disease Rating Scale improved with gabapentin compared with placebo (P = 0.0005). Likewise, activities of daily living and examination subscore of the Unified Parkinson's Disease Rating Scale improved with gabapentin compared with placebo but did not achieve statistical significance. Webster Scale showed improvement but neither Hoehn and Yahr Scale nor Webster Scale changes reached statistical significance. Tremor as measured by the Unified Parkinson's Disease Rating Scale improved with gabapentin but the use of the root mean square of the rectified electromyography as a measure of tremor activity was not statistically significant.

CONCLUSIONS: This study demonstrates that gabapentin improves rigidity, bradykinesia, and tremor of parkinsonism including both Parkinson's disease and Parkinson's syndrome. The rigidity and bradykinesia of parkinsonism improve on the drug even when the effects of gabapentin on tremor are discounted

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bassofspades in reply tobassofspades

if I dont get results by the time my new 90 day supply runs out Im going to taper off and stop taking it.

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JANVAN in reply tobassofspades

Hi Bass ! And can you try/get exenatide in America ??

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bassofspades in reply toJANVAN

Not interested in exenetide or any traditional meds. By the way, im done with Gabapentin. No good results. Im done with Isradapine too. Just ithiamine and amino acids. Thats all i need! I do think its available in the usa in some form though.

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Gioc

It would seem that the doc also advices up to 5/6 grams under certain conditions if necessary.

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bassofspades in reply toGioc

I guess if cutting the dose in half, for me, to 2g, does not work, then I go the other way and increase to 5 or 6g.

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Gioc in reply tobassofspades

ah gia! Now that you mention it, it's clearer to me. You're lucky apparently I will not have to come there for the injections anymore.:-) if you came in Italy I cook for you a real Neapolitan pizza: tomato, basil,,capers: and nothing else😄

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bassofspades in reply toGioc

Thank you my good friend! And if you're ever in Florida I'll return the favor! Right now I am cooking a big pot of meatballs in tomato sauce with basil and garlic. Yummm! YUM!

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Gioc in reply tobassofspades

wow must be very good! 😜

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bassofspades in reply toGioc

Mama Mia! Its good! LoL! Ciao Bello!

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He cut my friends dose from 4 grams per day to 3 grams after about two months.

Art

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JANVAN

Thank you very much bassofspades......>>>>> easy to get the link of google translate

It seems me more to the point than the Hinz Protokoll........

Really think to visit him, from Switzerland to Italy, that has to be possible....

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JANVAN

Hi , it has to be a question : easy to get the link of google translate ??

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bassofspades in reply toJANVAN

Go on google.com and type translate in the search bar.

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Gioc

For those who do not know what the "pull test" is in a very short video demonstration

youtu.be/1epAZg7LlIA

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justhavefun2 in reply toGioc

Thanks! I was going to ask, but you were ahead of me! 😎

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Dap1948

Exactly the same as my email from Dr Constantini, except i was told to take 2 grams.

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Babowen898

Do you take powdered thiamine or tablets? And how do you take it?

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bassofspades in reply toBabowen898

I take tablets. Huge 500mg horse pills. 4 at a time.

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Rosabellazita in reply tobassofspades

Where do you order them

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bassofspades in reply toRosabellazita

Rozabellazita my darling i just told you in the other post! Walmart Amazon and vitacost. healthunlocked.com/parkinso...

Please don't get the dreaded Parkinson's dementia! Im kidding sweetie!

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Rosabellazita in reply tobassofspades

But none of them have hcl listed on them except powder

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Rosabellazita in reply toRosabellazita

Does it have to have hcl?

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bassofspades in reply toRosabellazita

vitacost.com/solgar-vitamin...

amazon.com/Solgar-Vitamin-T...

looks like walmart is out of it right now. Where are you located?

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Rosabellazita in reply tobassofspades

Va.beach va.

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bassofspades in reply toRosabellazita

yes it has t o be HCL unless you do the injections.

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procaffeinator in reply tobassofspades

Hahha

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AmyLindy in reply tobassofspades

Me too

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JeanieBeanie

Do you take 4 grams all in one dose?

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bassofspades in reply toJeanieBeanie

No. I was taking 2g at a time. Now i take 1g twice a day

my experience: After starting in the 4g level of thiamin HCI, within a very short time and for the following fifteen week my bowel movements were regular and smooth. BIG change from the previous years. Moved to 6g a day to see if that level would affect tremor. Became constipated after two weeks. Also some symptoms started to return. I reduced back to 4g daily, now much improved. No constipation. All symptoms suppressed.

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We're all so glad you're not full of ....!

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ConnieD in reply tobassofspades

How are your symptoms at 1 gram a day?

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bassofspades in reply toConnieD

I was at 1g twice a day, but it wasn't doing anything and i got impatient. So now i take 1.5g twice a day and im improving again.

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Rosabellazita in reply tobassofspades

Lol

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procaffeinator in reply tobassofspades

You’re hilarious

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sunvox

Video yourselves doing a Pull Test and do the video again in 6 months and 1 year. I am not a believer in the Dr. C miracle. I think some people have had some benefit especially those who are in the early stages of the illness, but my suspicion is that for those who are in the later stages the benefit will be short lived. I do not believe thiamine will stop progression. I believe it improves symptoms by healing the body at a cellular level. I have seen no scientific evidence to support a belief that thiamine attacks the root causes of PD.

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For all you thiamine advocates, I urge you to continue trying other alternatives as well . . . especially exercise.

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AmyLindy

I have a hard time w his emphasis on the pull test: multiple variable factors such as strength of test conductor, etc render it less meaningful

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procaffeinator

What does a pull test mean?

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bassofspades in reply toprocaffeinator

See the video above in this thread posted by Giocas.

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