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I was 6.3 when diagnosed with Angina (95% LAD block). Two stents inserted and medication. Hoping to get off the Beta Blockers as my hands are always freezing.

I’ve cut out the really bad foods (daily biscuits / milk chocolate / McDonalds / fry ups) and dropped 12lbs (not the intent)’to 9stone 10lbs. Which I’m told is ok BMI wise.

My total cholesterol today is 2.4. Which came as a bit of a shock. NHS rehab are very happy with it. But I’m a bit shaken - now wondering if I’ve overdone it all. My kidney / liver function all good and no obvious reaction to the statin.

I’m wondering if I should try coming off the statin - or accept that 2.4 is good and I’ve been fortunate. My weight loss must be a sign that diet is playing its role - I don’t think any of the meds could be have been responsible for that 12lb loss?

Eg: Is 2.4 with statins better than 4.0 without? Not that I know it’s even possible.

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jimmyq profile image
jimmyq

You could ask your doctor about coming off the statin and replace them with nuts. They work just as well and no side effects:

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You could email these links to the doctor to back up your case.

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DavidG1971 in reply to jimmyq

I wish there’s was some conclusive evidence that NHS would endorse. Will read up - thanks.

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David. You have no side effects so that should not be an issue for you!!

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jimmyq in reply to DavidG1971

The videos are based upon medical evidence. Dr Greger puts the results of medical trials together.

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DavidG1971 in reply to jimmyq

Here’s my confusion - if all the evidence is out there, why don’t NHS rehab even acknowledge the existence of alternatives?

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jimmyq in reply to DavidG1971

Everything that comes from medical trials takes years to implement because it all has to be tested. I suspect that the reason that the NHS is ignoring diet is that when doctors are trained they get very little training in Nutrition so ignore it as a possible prevention or cure. Things are changing, slowly. My doctor recommended diet & exercise when he prescribed drugs for me. I am now off all but Clopidogrel.

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Autumn_Leaves in reply to jimmyq

As much as I think Dr Greger is an interesting character, and as much as I enjoy walnuts, I don’t think advising anyone to replace their prescribed medication with walnuts is a good idea. These suggestions are fine for people who are in good health and want to stay that way, but most of the people on this forum already have a know condition so that changes things quite significantly.

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MichaelJHHeart Star

What you need to remember is that statins also reduce irritation (often a precursor to plaque formation) and stabilise any plaque. In my view you should discuss dropping to a maintenance dose to retain these benefits but keep a close eye on the both the total cholesterol and its breakdown.

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DavidG1971 in reply to MichaelJH

That’s what I’ve been reading......I put off doing any research until I’d got my 1st results back. Good idea. Thanks.

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Deanosbeano

I was 6.5 now 2.0 with statins , benecol drink and spread anda massive diet change

I dropped the drinks 2 months ago and hoping my blood test in a months time shows stability .

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DavidG1971 in reply to Deanosbeano

You ever feel like it’s gone too low? I know we’re supposed to be under 4.0, not sure if 2.0/2.4 is even better or getting to an unhealthy level. I wonder if I’m better off with a 4.0 without statins than a 2.4 with them. Well done by the way.

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Deanosbeano in reply to DavidG1971

I understand HDL can be too low but LDL is ok where we are at . Way I see it is I can treat myself occasionally as I have a bit of a margin ;)

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DavidG1971 in reply to Deanosbeano

But not crossed your mind to drop the statins? I think I’ll end up with same mindset you have ...just thrown me a little to come out that low.

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Deanosbeano in reply to DavidG1971

No , the statins stop inflammation and other things , I have 3 blocked arteries and although they are bypassed they still have about 10 percent capacity so I don't want them clogging fully

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DavidG1971 in reply to Deanosbeano

So you have the by pass, but old arteries still functioning at 10% as well? I’d never thought of that. I’m lucky I guess - my bad block was stented and I’ve another 30% blocked.

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Deanosbeano in reply to DavidG1971

I had 3 at 90 percent but I wouldn't know it today ,it's a miracle what they can do

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What is you HDL and what is the ratio?

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They said my good cholesterol was a little low. But they’d expect it to normalise.

jamin100 profile image
jamin100

I had a stent in my LAD 18 months ago..

Before medication my cholesterol was 3.6 now with 80mg of statins it’s down to 1.8.

DRs seem happy with that and to keep my on the statins as they are. I lost about 2 stone as well. (I’m 36 if that makes a difference)

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DavidG1971 in reply to jamin100

Weird bit is that you had a block in the first place if your cholesterol was already below 4.0. Does suggest there’s more to the equation than low cholesterol.

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jamin100 in reply to DavidG1971

Yup - never smoked, drank a little but not a lot, was a tad overweight at 14st (5ft 10) but that’s about it.

100% blockage in LAD but no HA just severe angina when exercising due to good collateral arteries formed from plenty of exercise (mainly cycling )

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DavidG1971 in reply to jamin100

Similar as me - other than my cholesterol was 6. I was 100% blocked on 1st inspection but had the collateral arteries helping me out and no HA.

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DavidG1971 in reply to jamin100

You questioned how you got the block if cholesterol was so low?

I was poor at eating fruit / veg. But I also had a sweet tooth. Wonder if it was inflammation rather than cholesterol that kicked it off. So your story makes me curious.

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jamin100 in reply to DavidG1971

I tried to question it but none of the cardiologist’s knew

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Autumn_Leaves in reply to DavidG1971

Low risk based on a statistical model at the population level does not mean there’s no risk at the individual level. Health conditions are always multifactorial.

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bertrumbrown in reply to DavidG1971

That’s an excellent question I’d love an answer to. Mine was 3.1 on the day of my HA at the end of January. It’s now below 2 but I’ve really suffered with muscle pain and brain fog. My consultant has dropped me from 80 to 20mg with more blood tests in 3monthts. I just hope the pains go soon! It’s interesting that I see some on here refer to statins reducing inflammation. Since the HA and starting statins there have been no changes in my CRP markers.

I've never had good HDL but as my LDL is low I was told it did not matter.

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superspurs

Hello David.

I'm in a similar position. I had stents fitted last week (two arteries at around 95% blockage) Doctor told me just before procedure that cholesterol has dropped from 5.4 to 2.4 as I have been on satins for past two months. I do need to continue on these for now.

Also told cholesterol is cholesterol and even if low, can affect arteries.

How much are you on? I'm on 80mg of Atorvastatin.

Perhaps ask your doctor if the doseage can be reduced?

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DavidG1971 in reply to superspurs

I’m on 40g - just checked. Good to know I’m already on a low-ish dose.

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jamin100 in reply to DavidG1971

Yeh I’m on 80 too

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superspurs in reply to DavidG1971

perhaps ask if you can go down to 20mg?

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DavidG1971 in reply to superspurs

I’ll definitely try. Wish there was a definitive way of knowing what the cause was / is. Frustrating to think of all this effort going into lower cholesterol when it might not be the cause.

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fergusthegreat

Hi David,

I'm in the same boat as you as well. Had a stent fitted 2 years ago for a mid LAD blockage but no heart attack.

On 40mg atorvastatin my cholestrol is

Total - 3.2, Hdl - 1.8, Ldl - 0.9, Trig - 0.5.

I also have a 30% blockage in my RCA.

Studies that I have read suggest that you can halt the progression of atherosclerosis at on treatment ldl levels below 1.2mmol/L.

As well as this, statins can help stabilize existing plaques so in order to help my stent out and try to stop my other blockage from worsening I'm gonna stay on the statins. As I'm not a doctor I cannot offer you any advice but just wanted to let you know that I am in a very similar position to you and I will continue with the statins as in my case I think they are doing more good than harm. Cheers

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DavidG1971 in reply to fergusthegreat

I think that’s the only conclusion the pair of us can make. Hope you’re doing ok - I’m 30% narrowed as well in my un-stented one.

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Autumn_Leaves

Don’t worry. There are some people with genetically low cholesterol who are as low as that, and some even lower. The studies from UK Biobank looking at people with inherited genetic variants for low cholesterol that show no evidence of any health risks associated with lifelong low cholesterol. If you have any concerns, your own healthcare professionals are the ones whose advice you should seek. They know your history and your individual risk profile. Social media and internet searches won’t give any context to scare stories.

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