A Premiership Footballer collapsed earlier this year & stated afterwards that the cause was "Atrial Flutter". He then went on to say it is the least dangerous heart condition that you can have! The other day it happened to him again on the pitch.
Having had periods of "Atrial Flutter" I would have said quite the opposite, having often thought of it more in terms of close on flat-lining - thoughts anyone.
Not the least dangerous. Worse than, for example Ectopics. I understand it carries same stroke risk as Afib ( .....we won't go into that again though !)
Is there anyone here who believes that playing with the ball has caused this footballer's heart problems!? No, of course not...
What than!?
The answer is simple - running. But why the rest of the team were not affected? They were also running... Because they were not in a body state which makes running so dangerous.
But, collapse of the footballers is nothing new! It used to happen 3-4 times a year, always to a very fit and physically trained young men. The problem is, we have such cases far more frequently in the past 2 years, the statistics say 300-400 cases a year now. What has changed so drastically in the past 2 years...? I wouldn't know...
Please see the articles in my response below.
Which statistics are those please? I write a blog about afib and exercise and I'd like to incorporate any new scientific studies. Thank you
You speak of statistics and scientific studies nowadays!? In yellow card system, every 10th data has been recorded. In scientific articles, vax have been "safe and effective". People who died in car accidents have been recorded as Covid cases, everybody knows it! If you pay well, you will get the scientific results you want to have. It is ugly world we are living in, you know it as well as I do!
It was you that said that "the statistics say 300-400 cases a year now" so it seems that you trust some statistics.
No need to argue... If you are really interested, just look at the data available in the internet, as I did. Do not use official data, they are biased, for known reasons. Good luck with your work!
Again, not willing to argue... But if you are really writing an article, here what has been said about problems with the sportsmen (found it accidently, not the same though):
"They reported that since the introduction of the vaccines in 2021, there have been 1,598 cardiac arrests in the football leagues, of which 1,101 were fatal. Prior to 2021, the average number of cardiac arrests was 29 per year."
Here is the link:
childrenshealthdefense.org/...
All the best!
Peter
More extensive reporting and media coverage perhaps.? I have a friend who even reports on local football matches for the County Newspaper !
I thought he had atrial fibrillation. Either way I found it a bit scarey. Not that I am going to play 90 minutes of football, but it made me look at lifestyle factors etc yet again
Jane
My understanding is that he had Flutter, collapsed back in May during a game after he fainted (not surprising if you exercise hard during an episode) and he subsequently had “surgery”, presumably an ablation, “to fix”. He was then, after tests, cleared by medics to continue playing professionally so presumably the procedure was considered successful.
Last week he collapsed from a cardiac arrest which is not the same as AFl / AF, but far more serious and often fatal if you don’t have appropriate medical attention immediately.
They could be a coincidence or there may be an underlying condition that preempted both. Further tests may establish. It is generally accepted that AF does not cause cardiac arrest. That’s not to say people with AF never have cardiac arrests, but they don’t have them more frequently than the general population because of their AF.
There are many posts on here based on opinions and many will see an event as justification of their opinions - we call it confirmation bias. I like to think my views are based more on research and here are 2 articles that I think are informative.
itv.com/news/anglia/2023-12....
abc7.com/sports/tom-lockyer...
Note, a cardiac arrest is different from a heart attack, though a cardiac arrest can be a consequence of a heart attack.
Heathy eating and an active lifestyle are the best possible foundation for a healthy life and minimising the impact of any health conditions in life - just be careful about becoming too obsessive!
You wrote: "It is generally accepted that AF does not cause cardiac arrest. That’s not to say people with AF never have cardiac arrests, but they don’t have them more frequently than the general population because of their AF." I more than agree.
I did not dare to write my comment above more openly, but here is what I think and am certain about. If there is a good preparation (via C-jabs) and adequate body manipulation (running), people develop ventricular arrhythmia, which is far more deadly than AF. Ventricular flutter and ventricular fibrillation lead directly into SCA, it is a known fact.
There are many people who are absolutely certain about things that simply aren’t true.
Of that I’m absolutely certain.
I see, but you are absolutely certain that your views are true and correct...
There is only one way to verify your point and that is to point out where Nesko is incorrect.
I’ve made no claims as to the veracity of his opinion. I simply stated that many people hold tight to beliefs in many things that are manifestly untrue. Evidence for that position is incredibly easy to find.
I’m sure that such thought processes provide some internal benefit to the people involved . My concern is that the promulgation of unsubstantiated opinion as fact serves nobody.
I do admit that I strongly suspect his opinion to be untrue, however I’m ready to read any evidence to the contrary.
The burden of proof in this case lies elsewhere.
I think it would be helpful if Nesko could point us to some research to support his opinion . Otherwise it’s just unsupported opinion.
The news is saying it was different to his afib episode in May and he now has an icd implanted. I am reading those are used for ventricular arrhythmias or long qt, so although it is scary, it was not afib
it was reported he had a Cardiac Arrest.
Yep. In May 23 he passed out on the pitch and they discovered he had AF and subsequently he had heart surgery - presumably an ablation - and was then given the all clear to return to playing professional football. More recently (Dec 23) he had a cardiac arrest on the pitch for which he is having further investigations.
Ablation for atrial flutter vs fibrillation
Treatment for Atrial Flutter
Atrial flutter Not Afib
Atrial Flutter
Atrial flutter/ ectopics
