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Adrenaline Dysautonomia

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I came across a section on the internet regarding the above. It seems to describe me to a ‘T’ in that I get these adrenaline rushes for no reason. They drive me mad as well as raising my BP, for which I now have blood pressure medication. However, I just can’t calm these knots. I recently had AF (my first and hopefully my last). I would just love to be able to calm my tummy butterflies without having to take anxiety medication. I have been prescribed Lorazepam but being as this is highly addictive, I don’t like to use this drug too often (when I do I take only .6mg…….very little but it does the job). Does anyone have any suggestions for a program that really does work to calm the adrenals ?

Thankyou.

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Paulbounce

Hi Carole.

I can't really suggest a program that can help you. I can though suggest a few approaches that may help.

One such approach that may be useful for calming the adrenals and reducing anxiety is 'mindfulness meditation'. This involves paying attention to the present moment which can help to calm you and reduce stress. Other relaxation techniques that may be helpful include deep breathing exercises.

Out of these, I would put the deep breathing exercises at the top of the list.

It may also be helpful to make lifestyle changes that can help to reduce stress and help with relaxation. I think that mild daily exercise will benefit you - nothing too heavy - just a 30-minute walk a day. Depending on your mobility build up gradually. Start with 10 minutes for the first week and increase by 5 minutes each consecutive week.

Good luck.

Paul

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Carole1212 in reply toPaulbounce

Thankyou very much. I have read about this, and I think it’s time that I put it into some serious action. ☺️

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Paulbounce in reply toCarole1212

Sure, Carole. Maybe it works for you / maybe not. Here's one to start you off. The guy's voice is a little annoying but it does help you relax - I find it relaxing and calming and there are plenty more to choose from.

Paul

youtube.com/watch?v=6p_yaNF...

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Carole1212 in reply toPaulbounce

Thank you very much. Discipline is needed for me, but I’m willing to try.

I also found just this minute, Jason Stephenson, who does mindful meditation and is excellent. His voice is very relaxing and gentle as well.

Many thanks again. I’m listening to your one ……

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Yachtgirl in reply toPaulbounce

Thank you for the guided meditation as you said the man's voice is....overall I really enjoyed just relaxing now doing the meditation.

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stoneyrosed in reply toPaulbounce

Now you have mentioned he’s annoying, he’s annoying ! 🤣

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Paulbounce in reply tostoneyrosed

Heheh Stoney. He's meant to make you feel relaxed, not annoyed.

Back to the drawing board 🤣

Paul

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CDreamer

Breathing exercises LSD - Long, Slow & Deep 7/11 breathing - in for a count of 7 hold then out for a count of 11 - for the anxiety.

EFT or Tapping can help - loads on the internet.

The best approach I found was a Mindfulness Practice of putting yourself in the position of the Observer of you your body and symptoms but not reacting - takes a lot of practice but once you understand and accept that these are physical symptoms which are basically the body’s alarm system misfiring and simply notice them, the symptoms tend to diminish.

There really isn’t anything I know about which take away the symptoms, it’s more about managing to live with them.

I have quite dysfunctional Dysautomnia which affects my immune system, BP ability to regulate my body temperature and HR. I’ve learned to live with it but occasionally it goes into overdrive and can be most unpleasant.

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Carole1212 in reply toCDreamer

Thank you very much.

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Yachtgirl in reply toCDreamer

I do as well, only recently found out it was dysautonomia

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Yachtgirl

I have suffered high level anxiety for at least 15 years now which became apparent after a serious concussion. Recently my many symptoms have been put in the dysautonomia camp. For the anxiety I have tried several medications however became addicted to lorazepam after only three weeks. It took a year to slowly come off the benzodiazepines, it was REALLY horrible so be careful. SSRI's did not work severe reaction so no medication now.

I have found meditation helpful and especially y relaxation breathing techniques which also helps with my heart arrhythmia. Also I do yoga with Kassandra on uTube several times a week ranging from 30 minute to an hour beginners. I am 72 and find it very helpful. 30 minutes gentle exercise walking at a moderate pace now a real benefit as well. It is trial and error. Nutrition plays a huge part. Tim Spector has some good advice. Good luck!

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CDreamer in reply toYachtgirl

I agree with every word you have said.

One therapy which has been directly tailored to this condition is craniosacral therapy, it is amazing. I was introduced to it by a friend who is also a hospital consultant and expert in autoimmune conditions.

If you haven’t heard of it I would suggest you do some reading around it. I now have a session every 3-4 weeks.

my.clevelandclinic.org/heal...

You are right, nutrition also plays a crucial part but interestingly since having craniosacral therapy I tolerate a much wider range of foods again. I just finished the Zoe programme and although I have always eaten very well, it was good to have confirmed that it is fats I struggle to cope with, in the 2 weeks of trialing with the glucose monitor I didn’t have one sugar spike, despite piling on the cake on one day, solely in the cause of experimentation of course!

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Ppiman

I've come to think it's a part of a person's genetic make-up rather than an adrenal effect that can be controlled (and there's also the body's cortisol and other hormones involved as well as adrenaline).

I gather that the benzodiazepines are the only drugs that have a genuine anxiolytic effect and they certainly do help a little. I have come to believe that they aren't quite as problematic as their reputation suggests and I gather that they aren't, technically, "addictive" but that up to 30% of long term users can become "dependent" on them. About the same level of issues seem to exist with SSRI drugs, and they seem to be handed out like smarties if the media is to be believed.

In my own experience, a 5mg diazepam or similar tablet taken as needed is useful at alleviating the adrenaline / anxiety feelings and is better than anything else available for occasional use, although any kind of meditation and breathing techniques should be the tried first.

Steve

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Auriculaire in reply toPpiman

Diazepam enabled me to pass my driving test many years ago. I kept failing because I got so nervous and stressed about it . One tiny tablet and I sailed through despite getting a real bastard of an examiner again who had nearly reduced me to tears on the second test. The Diazepam just returned me to normal.

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Carole1212 in reply toAuriculaire

Absolutely agree! These little pills certainly have their place. Many years ago for me too I took half of an out of date diazepam for my driving test and sailed through. I felt like a contented zombie and didn’t make one single mistake! ☺️😂

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Ppiman in reply toAuriculaire

We do need a magic pill for those of us who know what anxiety is. Diazepam isn't even close to being that, but, as you say - it helps.

Steve

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Carole1212

great responses…..I’m ready to get started. Last night I did the deep breathing and my gut instinct is to kick the carbs…..for me personally ….I’m watching what I eat just to see if I get any reaction. My doctor in South Africa asked me if any of my anxiety was food related. Salt seems to kick in and bread. I don’t have much sugar and keep away from crisps. I’m on to sweet potato rather than the white variety but am keeping away from these for the time being. Plenty of salads and healthy grains etc etc. thought I’d take just a 10 minute short walk ……so let’s see. I do see the benefits of Lorazepam as and when really needed (I take just .6mg infrequently ) but again instinct says try not to go there. I’ve picked up on one of the programs that instead of going into a mini panic mode when I feel that rush coming on…I try to turn it around and smile at it ….seeing it not as a hindrance but simply something that ‘just happens’ ..so get on and deal with it type of thing! (I’m working on this crazy bit)….and I take deep breaths. I’m looking at the above link (Cleveland Clinic) and looking forward to trying things out.

☺️

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djmnet

I'd never heard this term but it's something I think I inherited from my late mother, so I'm glad to learn more.

On the other hand, the statement that lorazepam is highly addictive is very overstated IMHO. My 97 year old mother took it for a number of years with no issues and no addiction issues.

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